Ashley Graham and her husband, Justin Ervin

qaz1 said:
I see. You do realize that this type of over-generalizing non-thinking from a tiny sample size is exactly how bigots convince themselves that all blacks are dumb or lazy (or whatever else), right?

"I've seen them all my life. Blacks just don't want to work hard. It's not as important to them. Sure, they may put in the effort for a little while, but eventually they return to their true nature. I've seen it a million times!"

^That sounds dumb and unfair, doesn't it?

That said, I've had a similar experience to yours LOL! I just choose to be more hopeful about whether a person can turn it around.
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Actually, I'm not overly generalizing. And I'm not the one who isn't thinking. See, comparing race and gender in this situation doesn't work because I'm not talking about all women. I'm talking about a subset of women, who engage in a certain set of behaviors, in the same way someone might talk about a compulsive liar.

Further more, what I'm saying could easily apply to men who behave the same way. I don't date men so I don't really care if it does. Perhaps, you have some information on that topic, if it should ever come up.

I wouldn't have to spell any of that out for a thinking person.

Be honest. Do you see yourself wifing a chick with a high body count?

Nothing dumb or unfair about it now is it?
 
qaz1 said:
I would love to hear any successful report of any of you guys actually picking up an attractive woman at a bookstore or grocery store. These locations are almost a cliché but I have yet to hear about anyone actually making it happen.
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Cliche, but a better option than a bar or club. And yes, most people do not want to be bothered. If a guy cannot get a date, at least he can learn about a woman from what she reads(in a bookstore) and what she eats(in a grocery store). What happens after that is at their own discretion.
 
samson1701 said:
Actually, I'm not overly generalizing. And I'm not the one who isn't thinking. See, comparing race and gender in this situation doesn't work because I'm not talking about all women. I'm talking about a subset of women, who engage in a certain set of behaviors, in the same way someone might talk about a compulsive liar.

Further more, what I'm saying could easily apply to men who behave the same way. I don't date men so I don't really care if it does. Perhaps, you have some information on that topic, if it should ever come up.

I wouldn't have to spell any of that out for a thinking person.

Be honest. Do you see yourself wifing a chick with a high body count?

Nothing dumb or unfair about it now is it?
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That's why one should talk about dating histories if things go beyond that 2nd or 3rd date.
After which the decision as to whether or not to continue may not be so difficult.
 
samson1701 said:
Actually, I'm not overly generalizing. And I'm not the one who isn't thinking. See, comparing race and gender in this situation doesn't work because I'm not talking about all women. I'm talking about a subset of women, who engage in a certain set of behaviors, in the same way someone might talk about a compulsive liar.

Further more, what I'm saying could easily apply to men who behave the same way. I don't date men so I don't really care if it does. Perhaps, you have some information on that topic, if it should ever come up.

I wouldn't have to spell any of that out for a thinking person.

Be honest. Do you see yourself wifing a chick with a high body count?

Nothing dumb or unfair about it now is it?
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Implying that I'm gay because I disagree with you? Classy.

But you do make a valid point about not generalizing about all women. I'll concede that point. However, I still do believe there can be permanent personal change.

As far as marrying a woman who's been with a lot of men, my concerns would be if she's truly over it and if she's got any permanent reminders (i.e., children or STDs). If we're good on those counts, I wouldn't disqualify her. I'd get to know her and make a determination.

I've done my dirt; I won't be a hypocrite about it. If she's past her past, I can get past it too. And as discussed, I do believe a person can make that shift.
 
darkcurry said:
If she was REALLY unhealthy those issues would've been exposed already, you can be big, thick, plus-size and be healthy, Iskra Lawrence is another one. I have people in my family that have went through their entire life being plus-size and still healthy, so I know personally.


But about her waiting for marriage I found these comments interesting

By the time we met, I’d been travelling the world by myself [for modelling] since I was 12. I had also dated half of New York City. In other words, I had seen and done, like, a lot. And then all of a sudden I met this hot guy at church.”

‘Don’t have sex until you’re married,’ so I was like, ‘Okay, I’m going to go out and have a ton of sex.’

My husband and I waited; call me crazy, but it worked. Our sex is amazing!

She sounds like a FREAK(lol), so her husband couldn't have been that "churchy" because that last quote still speaks to how freaky she is.
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If I had met Ashley when she was 22, I would have been the biggest simp.lol

No way I would have thought this successful, professional model had done this much damage when she was single.

At 22 I would have thought she maybe had about 2-4 serious BFs, maybe slept with 10-15 dudes.lol

Ashley talks like she was close to that 50 mark. Or above.

Not judging. Besides a lot of the sex she had before marriage seems to have been the shallow, meaningless kind.

I agree just because a woman has a past doesn't mean she can't be loyal in a LTR, but I do get that woman who bed hops frequently is going to be primed to jump to another dude if the slightest thing in her current relationship isn't right.
 
darkcurry said:
If she was REALLY unhealthy those issues would've been exposed already, you can be big, thick, plus-size and be healthy, Iskra Lawrence is another one. I have people in my family that have went through their entire life being plus-size and still healthy, so I know personally.


But about her waiting for marriage I found these comments interesting

By the time we met, I’d been travelling the world by myself [for modelling] since I was 12. I had also dated half of New York City. In other words, I had seen and done, like, a lot. And then all of a sudden I met this hot guy at church.”

‘Don’t have sex until you’re married,’ so I was like, ‘Okay, I’m going to go out and have a ton of sex.’

My husband and I waited; call me crazy, but it worked. Our sex is amazing!

She sounds like a FREAK(lol), so her husband couldn't have been that "churchy" because that last quote still speaks to how freaky she is.
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Wow I just caught up on this story and I gotta say, I would almost rather be with a guy who cheated on me than a guy that would allow me to make him wait while having sex with other guys. Gotta have a some backbone.
 
andreboba said:
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Scratching my head at naming a plus-size woman's lingerie line 'Cacique'. It means 'Chief'. Lol

Rochiebabes86 said:
Wow I just caught up on this story and I gotta say, I would almost rather be with a guy who cheated on me than a guy that would allow me to make him wait while having sex with other guys. Gotta have a some backbone.
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If only all women thought as you do...*sigh* lol
 
Rochiebabes86 said:
Wow I just caught up on this story and I gotta say, I would almost rather be with a guy who cheated on me than a guy that would allow me to make him wait while having sex with other guys. Gotta have a some backbone.
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Uh...I don't think she made him wait while she had sex with other guys. My impression was that she made him wait because she decided to abstain herself.

But maybe I'm wrong. Where are you getting that she didn't wait while insisting that he did?
 
qaz1 said:
Uh...I don't think she made him wait while she had sex with other guys. My impression was that she made him wait because she decided to abstain herself.

But maybe I'm wrong. Where are you getting that she didn't wait while insisting that he did?
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As freaky as she sounded that could be true, but she also said an ex-boyfriend made her realize and change her ways, so it sounds to me she was already planning on waiting before she met him.
 
qaz1 said:
Uh...I don't think she made him wait while she had sex with other guys. My impression was that she made him wait because she decided to abstain herself.

But maybe I'm wrong. Where are you getting that she didn't wait while insisting that he did?
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I got the impression once things got serious with her current husband, she told him she wanted to wait until they were married before they had sex.

All I can say is I'd have to be stupid in love with a woman to be down with that plan.:-)

Are BJs sex???:smt001
 
andreboba said:
I got the impression once things got serious with her current husband, she told him she wanted to wait until they were married before they had sex.

All I can say is I'd have to be stupid in love with a woman to be down with that plan.:-)

Are BJs sex???:smt001
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I always thought the whole point of abstinence was to avoid children before marriage, so bjs or anything that couldn't result in pregnancy would be ok I guess.
 
andreboba said:
I got the impression once things got serious with her current husband, she told him she wanted to wait until they were married before they had sex.

All I can say is I'd have to be stupid in love with a woman to be down with that plan.:-)

Are BJs sex???:smt001
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Not to be obscene but your post reminded me of this girl at college who was very religious and soon became known as the "Poophole Loophole" around campus

By her standard BJs are good I would assume
 
MilkandCoffee said:
I always thought the whole point of abstinence was to avoid children before marriage, so bjs or anything that couldn't result in pregnancy would be ok I guess.
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Different people have different reasons for abstinence. Some want to avoid pregnancy. Some want to focus on other things, free of distraction. Some say marriage is the only acceptable context for sexual activity. For those last two groups, oral sex is a no go.
 
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