Ashley Judd criticizes hip hop music/culture

Ymra said:
word and the mainstream underground argument has been going on awhile too.

....Talib needs to sit down man. Hip Hop is some garbage at its current state. and if he doesn't know it, he's not paying attention.
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Without a doubt.
 
O and Mr Fantastic,you hit it on the head! Ms.Judd has not mentioned the genre of not only rock and roll but her mother and sister's genre of Country music. For example "Honky Tonk Badonkadunk" by Trace Adkins and in another version with Soulja Boy! Ashley has some explaining to do.
 
TastyAcidMilk said:
i wonder what she would say to all those women who buy that music and sing along about hos etc
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Exactly, which makes everything she says look like pure nonsense. Plus nobody is forcing these women to be in these videos anyway. Many love the money from it, the chance to be scene with famous rappers and just show off.
 
Soulthinker said:
O and Mr Fantastic,you hit it on the head! Ms.Judd has not mentioned the genre of not only rock and roll but her mother and sister's genre of Country music. For example "Honky Tonk Badonkadunk" by Trace Adkins and in another version with Soulja Boy! Ashley has some explaining to do.
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In all honesty, country music doesnt really have vile lyrics in it. Most of it is just singing about grilling out, drinkin in the sun and falling in/out of love. Not a fan of country by any means but I have to stick up for it here.

Hip hop on the other hand has played a part in ruining the black community. A TON of kids in inner cities are influenced by it. (I think thats what Ms Judd was getting at)
 
Iggy said:
In all honesty, country music doesnt really have vile lyrics in it. Most of it is just singing about grilling out, drinkin in the sun and falling in/out of love. Not a fan of country by any means but I have to stick up for it here.

Hip hop on the other hand has played a part in ruining the black community. A TON of kids in inner cities are influenced by it. (I think thats what Ms Judd was getting at)
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I remember when hip hop came out in the beginning . nobody liked it then . rock roll was the thrashing child for the ills of america but nobody wants to recount all the bullshit before radio. Nobody wants to be held responsible for the recession....cant pin that on rap. the twin towers....rap did it huh ? slavery...raps fault too ? what about rodney king beating..raps fault ? what about the pedophiles in the catholic church...I guess they were listening to rap huh ? Bishop eddie long should have screamed rap mad me touch those boys ?
 
Iggy said:
In all honesty, country music doesnt really have vile lyrics in it. Most of it is just singing about grilling out, drinkin in the sun and falling in/out of love. Not a fan of country by any means but I have to stick up for it here.

Hip hop on the other hand has played a part in ruining the black community. A TON of kids in inner cities are influenced by it. (I think thats what Ms Judd was getting at)
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Dude that's complete bullshit and again unfairly biased. Those same impressionable kids would be influenced by tv and other forms of media if rap wasn't around. It's poor parenting plain and simple. What about adults like me who actually like rap and grew up during the era when bling bling was a huge staple in hip hop. I managed to go to college and get a good job and you know why? Because my parents paid attention to me.
Blaming rap is just lazy, focus the attention of the single family homes with little supervision that would be doing the same thing with or without rap. Now if you want to argue how crack and unfair arrest policies are holding back blacks then so be it but the rap arguement is old and tired fam.
 
goodlove said:
I remember when hip hop came out in the beginning . nobody liked it then . rock roll was the thrashing child for the ills of america but nobody wants to recount all the bullshit before radio. Nobody wants to be held responsible for the recession....cant pin that on rap. the twin towers....rap did it huh ? slavery...raps fault too ? what about rodney king beating..raps fault ? what about the pedophiles in the catholic church...I guess they were listening to rap huh ? Bishop eddie long should have screamed rap mad me touch those boys ?
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Trust me someone will use that argument at some point fam.
 
Iggy said:
Ashley Judd's memoir doesn't just deal with her personal life — she also criticizes hip-hop, "with its rape culture and insanely abusive lyrics and depictions of girls and women as 'hos.'" She calls most rap and hip-hop "the contemporary soundtrack of misogyny," and calls out Diddy and Snoop Dogg. Also! Judd writes: "I believe that the social construction of gender — the cultural beliefs and practices that divide the sexes and institutionalize and normalize the unequal treatment of girls and women, privilege the interests of boys and men, and, most nefariously, incessantly sexualize girls and women — is the root cause of poverty and suffering around the world."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ms-p-diddy-snoop-dogg-new-memoir-read-excerpt
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Calmly and Objectively ask your self this question:
................Is any part of her claims true ?....................
 
MrFantastic said:
Dude that's complete bullshit and again unfairly biased. Those same impressionable kids would be influenced by tv and other forms of media if rap wasn't around. It's poor parenting plain and simple. What about adults like me who actually like rap and grew up during the era when bling bling was a huge staple in hip hop. I managed to go to college and get a good job and you know why? Because my parents paid attention to me.
Blaming rap is just lazy, focus the attention of the single family homes with little supervision that would be doing the same thing with or without rap. Now if you want to argue how crack and unfair arrest policies are holding back blacks then so be it but the rap arguement is old and tired fam.
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LOL. truth truth nothing but truth
 
MrFantastic said:
Are we objectifying women if they're compliant? Especially if they're profiting from it. Women in this country are far from being victims. In fact there are far more jobs for women without educations then there are for men and the recession finally just started hitting the female sector of the job force. In my opinion women in this country have it better than everyone else with exception of rich white privileged men of course.
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...and this is the deep, well kept secret of Affirmative Action.
 
IF I recalled, Judd's employers in Tinseltown is still pratice the art of colorism and racism when it comes to giving roles to african-american actors and actresses.. She should attack country music for sexism, racism and wavering flags of traitors...
 
blackcaesar3k5 said:
IF I recalled, Judd's employers in Tinseltown is still pratice the art of colorism and racism when it comes to giving roles to african-american actors and actresses.. She should attack country music for sexism, racism and wavering flags of traitors...
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Didn't you know black people were the devil fam lol
 
blackcaesar3k5 said:
IF I recalled, Judd's employers in Tinseltown is still pratice the art of colorism and racism when it comes to giving roles to african-american actors and actresses.. She should attack country music for sexism, racism and wavering flags of traitors...
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Now THAT'S a fight worth waging!
 
Here's my 2 cents on this. Ashley Judd is dead wrong on this. I actually liked her alot, respected her as a genuinely talented person and admired what she's done for young girls and less privileged people around the world. But she not only displays a lack of awareness of hip hop, but cultural anthropology in general. Color me pedantic, but misogyny predates hip hop. Rappers didn't invent patriarchy and disdain of women. No doubt the particular people she indicted - Diddy and Snoop - would no doubt be guilty as charged, but to make them reflective of a wider perception of hip hop is not only narrow minded, it's intellectually lazy.

Surely, she ought to know better than this. But maybe I was wrong about her
 
LaydeezmanCris said:
Here's my 2 cents on this. Ashley Judd is dead wrong on this. I actually liked her alot, respected her as a genuinely talented person and admired what she's done for young girls and less privileged people around the world. But she not only displays a lack of awareness of hip hop, but cultural anthropology in general. Color me pedantic, but misogyny predates hip hop. Rappers didn't invent patriarchy and disdain of women. No doubt the particular people she indicted - Diddy and Snoop - would no doubt be guilty as charged, but to make them reflective of a wider perception of hip hop is not only narrow minded, it's intellectually lazy.

Surely, she ought to know better than this. But maybe I was wrong about her
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Anything promoted by blacks is evil didn't you get the memo?
 
MrFantastic said:
Anything promoted by blacks is evil didn't you get the memo?
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Perpetuates the stereotype of us as animalistic or brutish (read: sub-human). I hate that whack "trap music" as much as the next guy, but that's like judging rock and roll by the racist site-follower fave Skrewdriver.
 
Iggy said:
In all honesty, country music doesnt really have vile lyrics in it. Most of it is just singing about grilling out, drinkin in the sun and falling in/out of love. Not a fan of country by any means but I have to stick up for it here.

Hip hop on the other hand has played a part in ruining the black community. A TON of kids in inner cities are influenced by it. (I think thats what Ms Judd was getting at)
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Agreed. While rap is mostly purchased by white boys, they are entertained by it and do not associate themselves with it on a personal level. However, the many of the youth in the black community tend to internalize this shit.
 
OpenHeart said:
Agreed. While rap is mostly purchased by white boys, they are entertained by it and do not associate themselves with it on a personal level. However, the many of the youth in the black community tend to internalize this shit.
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And they internalize it because of poor parenting. It's not rap it's poor parenting.
 
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