Bill Cosby Rape Accusations

K said:
You need to re-read it (differently). It was a complete thought.
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I've read it alright. And my response question to him still stands - is he implying that a quaalude's effect vs a roofie's effect, is very different?..analogizing that quaaludes is weed equivalent, and roofies is crack?
If so then that's absolute bullshit. Both are strong sedatives and serve similar purposes when used nefariously.
 
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"Some people obviously don't know the difference between quaaludes and a drug like roofies. No one takes roofies before a party.

On the other hand.....

You still have ignorant ass people saying stuff like "someone who smokes marijuana could kill a cop" Trying to put that on the same level as crack and meth.....yawn."

Maybe it would have helped if he spaced it differently.

This is how I read it:

People took ludes for recreation....on their own. I don't think people took roofies in the same way (I could be wrong. And maybe they do have similar effects - IDK, but one is known to be for malicious intent and the other was a "fun drug" of that time. That's my interpretation).

(next sentence/thought) On the other hand... there are still people saying things like someone smoking pot can kill a cop and equating it to someone on crack or meth. (which simply won't happen....the effects of pot smoking is not the same as someone taking meth or crack)
 
Or perhaps he shouldn't have worded it as "Some people obviously don't know the difference between quaaludes and a drug like roofies. No one takes roofies before a party. "

I'm assuming Beasty wrote that in response to Cosby's deposition. He appears to make the judgement that these women willingly took quaaludes, since "thats what (some) people did before parties".
Forgetting however, that assaults were initiated in restaurants, cars, and homes.

Fact is, both drugs act as a sedative, affecting the central nervous system, and quaaludes can zombify you just like roofies.
Additionally, roofies are sometimes used as a party drug - people use prescription drugs for every occasion not intended.
It's ignorant to suggest quaaludes has no detrimental effect when given to a person unaware of ingesting them.

And even if they were aware, it could have been to zone out, not invite a perv to stick his dick in your mouth because you were comatose.

It makes me sick to think that just because one might indulge in a drug for recreational purposes, it somehow invites sexual activity, or absolves any sexual violations.
 
Maybe he should have, or not. He didn't.

Things don't always get read the way they were written or intended.

As for the rest...that's quite a lot of assumption based on those couple of sentences.

In my opinion, people need to be responsible for their actions. I'm not saying that if you are out partying you are inviting someone attack you...not at all. Nor does someone being drunk/high absolve predators. I do think people need to be aware of what they are doing and their surroundings, don't purposely put yourself in bad situations.

One of the problems I see with these things is that people want to make things concrete and they just aren't. Each case is different.
 
Also, while I am glad that things changed and things such as date rape, etc came out and were taken seriously, the idea that any accusation makes for a guilty predator just doesn't fly with me.

It seems to me that some will blindly believe certain cases and not others. I don't quite get that. But, I've been seeing it all over the place.
 
Bliss said:
Well now lve seen it all!

Bill Cosby plans tour to teach teens how to avoid being charged with a sex crime...

Bill Cosby is eager to get back to work now that his sexual assault case has ended in a mistrial, and the disgraced comedian already has a tour in the works according to his spokesperson.

Andrew Wyatt appeared on Good Day Alabama on Wednesday, and announced that the 79-year-old actor plans to host a series of town halls educating teenagers, young athletes and even married men about how to avoid being charged with a sex crime.

It was then revealed by Wyatt that one of those town halls would be taking place 'some time in July' in Birmingham.

Wyatt appeared on the show along with Camille Cosby's spokesperson and fellow Alabama native Ebonee Benson in their first televised interview since the case ended in a mistrial on Saturday.

At one point, the host of the show, Janice Rogers, said of these proposed town halls: 'Is it sort of a do as I say not as I do thing?'

The reference to Cosby's infidelities with a number of other women and admission to giving some of those women Quaaludes caused both Wyatt and Benson to burst out in laughter.

'We're going to talk to young people because this is bigger than Bill Cosby,' explained Wyatt.

'This issue can affect any young person, especially young athletes of today, and they need to know what they're facing when they're hanging out and partying, when they're doing certain things that they shouldn't be doing.'

He then added: 'And it also affects married men.'

The Montgomery County District Attorney's Office did not respond to a request for comment about Cosby's planned tour.

http://m.wbrc.com/myfoxal/db_345268/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=9hbQo9FI
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Here is the actual video clip: https://twitter.com/TheShadeRoom/status/878004545070092288
 
K said:
Maybe he should have, or not. He didn't.

Things don't always get read the way they were written or intended.

As for the rest...that's quite a lot of assumption based on those couple of sentences.

In my opinion, people need to be responsible for their actions. I'm not saying that if you are out partying you are inviting someone attack you...not at all. Nor does someone being drunk/high absolve predators. I do think people need to be aware of what they are doing and their surroundings, don't purposely put yourself in bad situations.

One of the problems I see with these things is that people want to make things concrete and they just aren't. Each case is different.
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Aaand this is exactly why l asked him for clarity - several times. But he got snobby and arrogant (chew my food, FOH), then you stepped in to speak for him, offered up your interpretation after being asked essentially twice to explain.
I asked in order to avoid making assumptions on what he meant. So yes, interpretation will enter as a result.
 
Bliss said:
Ten of the 12 jurors in Billy Cosby's sex assault trial thought he was GUILTY but couldn't persuade the others - as one juror tells how some in the group cried and punched walls during heated deliberations




    • Ten of the 12 jurors thought Bill Cosby was guilty of sexually assaulting Andrea Constand on two of the three counts he was charged with
    • They were convinced by the prosecution that he digitally penetrated her and slipped her drugs without her knowing but two thought he was innocent
    • Only one of the 12 jurors thought Constand was unconscious or unaware of what was happening to her when he allegedly sexually assaulted her in 2004
    • The jurors were kept in a small room where they grew so frustrated they cried and punched walls, one revealed on Wednesday
    • After days of heated deliberations, they could not break deadlock and a mistrial was declared
    • Earlier this week, one of the four alternate jurors said he would have voted to convict if he had been drafted in
    • Cosby, who was confident he would escape conviction, remains on $1million bail
Of the 12 jurors at Bill Cosby's sexual assault trial, only two thought the star was innocent but refused to listen to persuading arguments, it has been revealed.

In an interview with ABC, one of the jurors - who chose to remain anonymous - told how discussions at the highly publicized trial grew so tense, some in the group punched walls and cried as they tried hopelessly to reach a verdict

ten in the jury were convinced he was guilty of digitally penetrating Constand without her consent, the first charge.

Of the second count - that Constand was unconscious or unaware of what was happening to her after being given drugs by the comedian - 11 jurors thought he was innocent and only one thought he was guilty.

The third count suggested that Cosby gave Constand the drugs without her knowledge by slipping them to her somehow. Again, ten jurors thought he was guilty of it but two, who 'wouldn't budge, would not move', did not.


...despite widespread accusations from other women who claimed to have been assaulted by Cosby in the public sphere, nothing except from the contents of the trial was discussed.

'We never brought anything outside in. Never. Not once. If somebody would mention something, we would cut them off,' the juror said.

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Sheriff's deputies had to be posted outside and broke in several times, worried the group had begun fighting, they said, adding that one male juror punched a concrete wall because he was so irate.

'I think he broke his pinky knuckle. If we kept going, there was definitely going to be a fight.

'They had five sheriff’s deputies at the door and they could hear us and they kept coming in because they thought we were already fighting,' they said.

The twelve jurors were initially placed in a larger room but had to be moved when a judge was told that journalists could see in through a window.

The second room was so small that it drove them 'crazy'.

'People couldn't even pace. They were just literally walking in circles where they were standing because they were losing their minds.

'People would just start crying out of nowhere, we wouldn’t even be talking about [the case] -- and people would just start crying.'

According to some who spoke to Page Six after the mistrial was declared, Cosby made light of the trial by referring to the courtroom as his 'stage' and said the room where he was being kept to wait during breaks was his 'dressing room'.

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Looks like this story is a spinjob from the MSM & that particular juror. Here is a few notes I took from YouTubers who did their own research:

  • The Guardian reported that 2 Cosby trial jurors had spoken to the AP & TV station WXPI. These 2 jurors revealed over the course of the deliberation they took several votes on Cosby's guilt or innocence & that 10-2 split was just 1 of many votes that were taken & the majority of votes were split either 5-7 or 6-6.
  • These jurors doubted the accuser's story because she waited so long to do anything about it.
  • TV station WTAE spoke to 1 of these jurors & this man said a retrial would be "a waste of money".
  • 1 of the jurors said they were concerned with how blatantly political this entire prosecution was. "I think they created this whole thing, a case that was settled in 2005 & we had to bring it up again in 2017 without no new evidence"
  • The MSM talking to an alternate juror seems like a desperation move because not enough of the actual jurors are saying what they wanted to hear.
  • The alternate juror NEVER said he would've convicted. He said he would've probably convicted. Keyword "Probably", which shows he had doubt.
  • The headlines about 2 holdout jurors definitely gotta be a dog whistle to demonize the 2 black jurors even though we know the votes were mostly split 6-6.
  • The Judge's wife is a Rape Counselor at 1 of the PA colleges. She runs a Rape center facility. This is conflict of interest because She's likely part of 1 of these feminist groups. Historically feminist groups have always used Black Men as boogeymen to get funding, resources, & facilities (especially in the 1970's during integration when black folks were moving into the city & in the 1990's with O.J. Simpson as their Boogeymen). The Judge's wife would've definitely benefited from a Cosby conviction.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
Looks like this story is a spinjob from the MSM & that particular juror. Here is a few notes I took from YouTubers who did their own research:

  • The Guardian reported that 2 Cosby trial jurors had spoken to the AP & TV station WXPI. These 2 jurors revealed over the course of the deliberation they took several votes on Cosby's guilt or innocence & that 10-2 split was just 1 of many votes that were taken & the majority of votes were split either 5-7 or 6-6.
  • These jurors doubted the accuser's story because she waited so long to do anything about it.
  • TV station WTAE spoke to 1 of these jurors & this man said a retrial would be "a waste of money".
  • 1 of the jurors said they were concerned with how blatantly political this entire prosecution was. "I think they created this whole thing, a case that was settled in 2005 & we had to bring it up again in 2017 without no new evidence"
  • The MSM talking to an alternate juror seems like a desperation move because not enough of the actual jurors are saying what they wanted to hear.
  • The alternate juror NEVER said he would've convicted. He said he would've probably convicted. Keyword "Probably", which shows he had doubt.
  • The headlines about 2 holdout jurors definitely gotta be a dog whistle to demonize the 2 black jurors even though we know the votes were mostly split 6-6.
  • The Judge's wife is a Rape Counselor at 1 of the PA colleges. She runs a Rape center facility. This is conflict of interest because She's likely part of 1 of these feminist groups. Historically feminist groups have always used Black Men as boogeymen to get funding, resources, & facilities (especially in the 1970's during integration when black folks were moving into the city & in the 1990's with O.J. Simpson as their Boogeymen). The Judge's wife would've definitely benefited from a Cosby conviction.
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Read that on the daily mail yesterday. ( not the last two paragraphs though)
And here was the discussion - To those jurors who doubted her story because she waited a year to come forward, remember the following day she called her mother hysterical and told her what happened. Her mother confronted Bill, demanded to know what he gave her, and recorded the second phone call since Bill attempted to convince her mom that her daughter even had an orgasm. "Come on Mom, she loooved it"

Going to the police a year later does not constitute "doubt".
I promise you, again, there are people- females and males - in your life that have been sexually violated in extreme fashions who have never gone to the police and some have never even breathed a word of it.
Police reports don't validate a sexual assault's occurance nor does a lack of one invalidate it.
 
Bliss said:
Aaand this is exactly why l asked him for clarity - several times. But he got snobby and arrogant (chew my food, FOH), then you stepped in to speak for him, offered up your interpretation after being asked essentially twice to explain.
I asked in order to avoid making assumptions on what he meant. So yes, interpretation will enter as a result.
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geeze

aaaaaaaaaaaand he answered you.

I simply said that I understood what he said, and then YOU asked me to explain it...so I gave my take on it. Which still may or may not be correct

What's the point in going out of your way to be difficult and stir shit.
 
K said:
geeze

aaaaaaaaaaaand he answered you.

I simply said that I understood what he said, and then YOU asked me to explain it...so I gave my take on it. Which still may or may not be correct

What's the point in going out of your way to be difficult and stir shit.
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Bull. You actually replied.."re-read it" as if it was clear as day. Finally, then you offered your interpretation once l began offering mine..

Don't accuse me of "stirring shit" when he made the initial shit-stirring comment, and l merely asked for clarity out of respect.Your repeated dismissiveness of opposing opinions is palpable when it comes to jumping in to speak for him, which you do often.
Don't also tell me "aaaaaaaaaaand he answered you"
when his "answer" was:
"Yeah. Everything causes affect. Maybe I'm somewhat addicted to caffeine. I guess that puts me in the category of a meth smoking bath salts zombie. Lol."

That, to you, is clarity on quualudes vs roofies? Geeeze, spare me.
 
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K said:
why do you get so upset about such stupid shit?
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Stupid shit? You do that a lot, K. No matter the topic, if people are having spirited debates or conversations or difference of opinions, you always inevitably post, "who cares" "why do you care" "why are we discussing this?" and now it's "stupid shit".

How about if YOU don't care, don't comment. Simple. This is a forum. You have no problem writing passionately for paragraphs about things YOU care about but you constantly dismiss and gaslight others when you have no interest. Stop it.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
Looks like this story is a spinjob from the MSM & that particular juror. Here is a few notes I took from YouTubers who did their own research:

  • The Guardian reported that 2 Cosby trial jurors had spoken to the AP & TV station WXPI. These 2 jurors revealed over the course of the deliberation they took several votes on Cosby's guilt or innocence & that 10-2 split was just 1 of many votes that were taken & the majority of votes were split either 5-7 or 6-6.
  • These jurors doubted the accuser's story because she waited so long to do anything about it.
  • TV station WTAE spoke to 1 of these jurors & this man said a retrial would be "a waste of money".
  • 1 of the jurors said they were concerned with how blatantly political this entire prosecution was. "I think they created this whole thing, a case that was settled in 2005 & we had to bring it up again in 2017 without no new evidence"
  • The MSM talking to an alternate juror seems like a desperation move because not enough of the actual jurors are saying what they wanted to hear.
  • The alternate juror NEVER said he would've convicted. He said he would've probably convicted. Keyword "Probably", which shows he had doubt.
  • The headlines about 2 holdout jurors definitely gotta be a dog whistle to demonize the 2 black jurors even though we know the votes were mostly split 6-6.
  • The Judge's wife is a Rape Counselor at 1 of the PA colleges. She runs a Rape center facility. This is conflict of interest because She's likely part of 1 of these feminist groups. Historically feminist groups have always used Black Men as boogeymen to get funding, resources, & facilities (especially in the 1970's during integration when black folks were moving into the city & in the 1990's with O.J. Simpson as their Boogeymen). The Judge's wife would've definitely benefited from a Cosby conviction.
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Here's some more to add..
  • Juror said he found it hard to believe alleged victim Andrea Constand given she willingly went to Bill Cosby's home when the alleged sexual assault occurred in 2014
  • The juror said: 'She was well-coached. Let's face it: She went up to his house with a bare midriff and incense and bath salts. What the heck?'
SMH.
 
Bliss said:
Stupid shit? You do that a lot, K. No matter the topic, if people are having spirited debates or conversations or difference of opinions, you always inevitably post, "who cares" "why do you care" "why are we discussing this?" and now it's "stupid shit".

How about if YOU don't care, don't comment. Simple. This is a forum. You have no problem writing passionately for paragraphs about things YOU care about but you constantly dismiss and gaslight others when you have no interest. Stop it.
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Amusing....you seem to really think you have some sort of control over how people write things and what they want to reply to. How about you stop trying to control what and how people say things. BTW my comment regarding "stupid shit" was just that - you want to tell someone how to say things and what to say such as with Beasty and with me.

In regards to me....no, when I have no interest I don't comment. You may be surprised to learn that often times I don't comment on things I very much care about because it's really not going to make any difference.

Don't worry, I know you have to have the last word and you will.
 
They need to give this crap up. Bill won't be found guilty in my opinion. All you need is one person to say not guilty......
 
K said:
Amusing....you seem to really think you have some sort of control over how people write things and what they want to reply to. How about you stop trying to control what and how people say things. BTW my comment regarding "stupid shit" was just that - you want to tell someone how to say things and what to say such as with Beasty and with me.

In regards to me....no, when I have no interest I don't comment. You may be surprised to learn that often times I don't comment on things I very much care about because it's really not going to make any difference.

Don't worry, I know you have to have the last word and you will.
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More patronizing from you. I ask Beasty for clarity out of respect, he dodges it, you stick your nose in and try to take control and take over, and you can't even see it. You're a piece of work. F.O.
 
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