Chicago: Experiencing Shootings every week, Going Unnoticed

[K]

Education can be a trade as well.

We took most of the trades out of public schools in the 90s. They were shifted to private vocational schools that are very costly now. This was a huge mistake for so many different reasons.

 

[Paniro187]

We took most of the trades out of public schools in the 90s. They were shifted to private vocational schools that are very costly now. This was a huge mistake for so many different reasons.

Terrible terrible idea. oh and another thing I tell the youngsters to do is to NOT to go to for profit schools like uti.

I know people that didn't listen to me and are now 20,000 bucks in debt to UTI. I'm like dude go to the local college and get your vehicle technician trade for like 2000. For profit schools should be shut the fuck down. Many employers actually don't respect them and their "degrees". They are predatory and should be called out nationally for preying on the poor

 

[Bliss]

Not just black but ALL YOUNG GIRLS AND BOYS. If you head north of Houston to a area named Cleveland tx you will see the type of white people and Hispanic people that news conveniently leaves out of their narrative. White and Hispanic Piece of shit parents that give a fuck about their kids. I have seen it. And it's truly disgusting.

Well l think that Black boys still deserve an education they can relate to. The way our black boys go, so does the country. No one should be disadvantaged and maybe soon with the demographics of Hispanic children this conversation will apply to them, but the drop out rate is high and in asking these teen boys why, it's a fundamental alienation and inability to relate to the ciriculum. They asked for more historical figures who looked like them..school was boring to them and yes, too "white".
We have boys schools, girls schools, school for the gifted.. why not school for Black males who are taught and mentored by the best black male teachers... Teach them trades and science and black history, not just slavery but their ancestral history, Timbuktu, mathematics African history..it's soo rich but it gets ignored and lost in the mainstream.

 

[Paniro187]

Well l think that Black boys still deserve an education they can relate to. The way our black boys go, so does the country. No one should be disadvantaged and maybe soon with the demographics of Hispanic children this conversation will apply to them, but the drop out rate is high and in asking these teen boys why, it's a fundamental alienation and inability to relate to the ciriculum. They asked for more historical figures who looked like them..school was boring to them and yes, too "white".
We have boys schools, girls schools, school for the gifted.. why not school for Black males who are taught and mentored by the best black male teachers... Teach them trades and science and black history, not just slavery but their ancestral history, Timbuktu, mathematics African history..it's soo rich but it gets ignored and lost in the mainstream.

So you're talking segregation? Cmon! I would say make the curriculum more diverse for ALL students and those parents that don't like it can homeschool their children

 

[darkcurry]

The education system needs to be overhauled. It is possible to address the issues of poverty and education together. It's not an either or situation. We need to do things in a holistic manner.

There are organizations and programs. However, there are not enough and many of those that do exist are a mess. Many programs are focused on one aspect and drop many others. Which is understandable if you know anything about how they are run. Comprehensive programs need to be created and implemented. The sad thing is that we do have answers to many of the issues. We have some proven programs but because of all the ridiculous political garbage many of them are abandoned and forgotten.

For those idiots who are going to say things about bleeding liberals trying to give everyone programs.....I'm far from that. However, as a society we are greatly failing our children and that has horrendous impact on all of us. It is inexcusable that children do not have enough to eat, a safe place to live and go to school. That's abuse and it creates generations of victims. Yet these are the same kids that will grow up and we expect to carry the community/society.

Blaming the victims in any realm is not productive.

Very True. Blaming children is just ignorant to humanity. They don't understand just exactly what a child is nor care. Children learn the most from observation, they understand from what is taught to them. If a child repeats a curse word you can't blame that child you have to instill in them that you don't don't use that word, they are still learning the difference between right and wrong.

 

[Bliss]

So you're talking segregation? Cmon! I would say make the curriculum more diverse for ALL students and those parents that don't like it can homeschool their children

No segregation is teaching the same curriculum. Schools are pretty segregated now.
I'm talking boys separate. An education they can relate to, enjoy and benefit from.
I know it will never happen because too many will see it as you did and it's the furthest from the thing l meant.

 

[darkcurry]

No segregation is teaching the same curriculum. Schools are pretty segregated now.
I'm talking boys separate. An education they can relate to, enjoy and benefit from.
I know it will never happen because too many will see it as you did and it's the furthest from the thing l meant.

I think some schools are unintentionally segregated, I went to an mostly white school because of where my community/neighborhood I lived in was. I was 2 of only 3 black kids at my school and the only black boy.

 

[K]

Terrible terrible idea. oh and another thing I tell the youngsters to do is to NOT to go to for profit schools like uti.

I know people that didn't listen to me and are now 20,000 bucks in debt to UTI. I'm like dude go to the local college and get your vehicle technician trade for like 2000. For profit schools should be shut the fuck down. Many employers actually don't respect them and their "degrees". They are predatory and should be called out nationally for preying on the poor

Unfortunately many of the JCs don't have those programs any more either. I know out here many of the programs are only available at the private vocational schools and they are a huge rip.

 

[K]

So you're talking segregation? Cmon! I would say make the curriculum more diverse for ALL students and those parents that don't like it can homeschool their children

This is something ALL children need.

In California they are overhauling social studies to include all the LGBT stuff, but they are still going along with not including anything about internment, avoiding anything about slavery, etc.

It's a matter of money and who has it to push their agenda.

(by the way - some of us homeschool our children because they are not provided with enough diversity in the public schools)

 

[K]

So you're talking segregation? Cmon! I would say make the curriculum more diverse for ALL students and those parents that don't like it can homeschool their children

We need incentives to bring Black men into the classrooms.

 

[Paniro187]

Unfortunately many of the JCs don't have those programs any more either. I know out here many of the programs are only available at the private vocational schools and they are a huge rip.

Don't know about the jc where you are from but the ones here most def have them. Truck driving electrical plumbing hvac etc etc

 

[The Dark King]

Bahahaha... He made a whole thread asking for advice cause he was scared of being robbed in his new girlfriend's neighborhood!! :axe::smt105:smt100

Wow you love holding on to that don't you. I was uncomfortable in a high crime area. That's actually normal. How do you think a person should handle it big bad Bliss.

 

[K]

Don't know about the jc where you are from but the ones here most def have them. Truck driving electrical plumbing hvac etc etc

California has cut most of them out. They've moved to the private vocational schools. But then some of them have expanded other programs that were more in the vocational schools such as Respiratory Therapy, culinary, etc.

 

[Paniro187]

California has cut most of them out. They've moved to the private vocational schools. But then some of them have expanded other programs that were more in the vocational schools such as Respiratory Therapy, culinary, etc.

What's the cost?

 

[Bookworm616]

We need incentives to bring Black men into the classrooms.

We need incentives to bring all disadvantaged youth in the classroom.

But, we also need to teach their parents the importance of school and taking an active interest in their education and making sure the kids stay in school.

It's a complex problem that requires everyone working together.

 

[The Dark King]

We need incentives to bring all disadvantaged youth in the classroom.

But, we also need to teach their parents the importance of school and taking an active interest in their education and making sure the kids stay in school.

It's a complex problem that requires everyone working together.

Their parents need jobs to feed them and keep a roof over their heads. These people are stressed the fuck out they don't need morality lessons.

 

[Bookworm616]

Their parents need jobs to feed them and keep a roof over their heads. These people are stressed the fuck out they don't need morality lessons.

And how do you propose they get jobs without an education? Being HS dropouts, which many are, doesn't give you a whole lot of employment options.

And where are the jobs? They aren't in those communities because those communities tend to be high crime and stores, etc get robbed all the time.

It's a vicious cycle. There is NO EASY ANSWER. But, it has to start somewhere.

Families need to band together to support each other.

My stepson was in danger of being held back for the second time in elementary school until I stepped in. His sorry excuse for a mother and her family let him run amok. Let him play video games instead of doing his homework. Let him not go to school if he didn't want to.

I stepped in, moved him in with his father. And guess what? Not only did he not get held back again, he graduated HS on the honor roll. Why? Because someone in his life gave a shit about him and made him do his fucking homework before playing video games and didn't let him not go to school.

Like it or not, it starts in the home. Families need to band together and support the children. Schools are free. Lunches are free. There's no reason why these kids cannot be in school and there's no reason why their parents can't encourage them to fucking do their damn homework and fucking stay in school.

It's all just fucking excuses. When attendance goes up, guess what? Kids do better in school! There's only so much a teacher can do to get these kids to show up. There are stories of teachers calling the kid's home and even going to the home to get the kids in school. But, they can only do so much without help from the kid's parents/guardians.

 

[K]

We need incentives to bring all disadvantaged youth in the classroom.

But, we also need to teach their parents the importance of school and taking an active interest in their education and making sure the kids stay in school.

It's a complex problem that requires everyone working together.

There's a huge difference when you grow up in an environment where you don't see people who you look like succeeding. It makes a huge difference to have solid role models, people modeling good behavior and showing the ways to succeed.

It's a generational issue. The parents aren't seeing the value in education because they didn't have the support to be successful in school. When they are overwhelmed with trying to get food on the table and being able to have their kids cared for so they can find a job, school is seen as a luxury.

Your little story about your stepson doesn't even begin to equate to others. How many of the other children have a white stepmom who has the ability to step in and take over in the ways that you did? We are talking about people who don't have a stable place to live, not enough food to eat, and they are facing real violence every day of their lives. Clearly, it was not the same for your stepson. You mention his sorry excuse for a mother....I guess you aren't aware of how many parents out there are really good people who are working many hours and may struggle with the logistics of how to make sure their kids are taken care of and taken to and from school.

I really have to wonder how much time you have actually spent with people who are out there struggling, let alone ever had to deal with any of it yourself. You paint a picture of spoiled privileged people with extended family, which is not the reality of people who deal with homelessness, having enough food, and chronic poverty. Video games? please.

 

[The Dark King]

There's a huge difference when you grow up in an environment where you don't see people who you look like succeeding. It makes a huge difference to have solid role models, people modeling good behavior and showing the ways to succeed.

It's a generational issue. The parents aren't seeing the value in education because they didn't have the support to be successful in school. When they are overwhelmed with trying to get food on the table and being able to have their kids cared for so they can find a job, school is seen as a luxury.

Your little story about your stepson doesn't even begin to equate to others. How many of the other children have a white stepmom who has the ability to step in and take over in the ways that you did? We are talking about people who don't have a stable place to live, not enough food to eat, and they are facing real violence every day of their lives. Clearly, it was not the same for your stepson. You mention his sorry excuse for a mother....I guess you aren't aware of how many parents out there are really good people who are working many hours and may struggle with the logistics of how to make sure their kids are taken care of and taken to and from school.

I really have to wonder how much time you have actually spent with people who are out there struggling, let alone ever had to deal with any of it yourself. You paint a picture of spoiled privileged people with extended family, which is not the reality of people who deal with homelessness, having enough food, and chronic poverty. Video games? please.

You saved me a post
I know people like her and Paniro have an image of people just pulling it together and just getting on with it but don't really think about the variables you listed because they never had to feel it. People who have support systems really don't grasp how important that is. I do agree with Bookie there is no easy solution but one thing I do know just pushing it on people to figure out for themselves never works. Look at the crack epidemic more morality pushing, just stop using drugs just say no. Funny that when the drugs were meth and the victims were white suburban kids we finally realized a support system is necessary to help them. It wasn't left to them to just figure it out.

 

[Beasty]

Wow you love holding on to that don't you. I was uncomfortable in a high crime area. That's actually normal. How do you think a person should handle it big bad Bliss.

How bad was it? Iv'e been in a few of them buildings where there are a ridiculous amount of floors and you just take the stairs on the way down because the elevator takes forever. There is left over trash in the stairways from where people were hanging out and rolling blunts lol.

It wasn't anywhere like that was it?