"Detroit"...I'm gonna rant a bit

She's been dead to me ever since this casting.

So here's how it goes. Disney wooed Ava to work on a movie of her choice. She chose A Wrinkle In Time. Now in the book all the characters are white. But Ava being a black woman you knew she was going to race-bend and make the lead character, the young daughter, black. Question was who else would get to be black. Well, she ended up casting a black actress to play the mom. Then she chose Chris Pine to play the dad. And I was pissed. Why not make both parents black? Or if it had to be a mixed couple why not for once make it a BM/WW as father and mother? Ava would still be able to keep the lead character as a black female. Of course Ava wasn't going to go down that road. Pay attention, folks. Black women in these positions of being the driving creative forces almost never set a setting in which a black man and white woman have any relationship at all. This is the case when they are writing novels, running TV shows or directing/casting for films. They may pair a black guy with an Asian or a Hispanic but not white females. But they won't hesitate to pair black women with white men. They rush to the opportunity in fact. These ladies get their feet inside the gates of power and in the first opportunity they put those types of pairings together.

There's an interview Ava did with EW this week and she is slurping all over Chris Pine. She talks about how he is the first heartthrob to appear in her movies, pretty much shitting on black guys like Omari Hardwick who had appeared in her earlier motion pictures.

Ava also gave that same ol' talk about diversity, representation and seeing oneself reflected on the big screen. But when black women say these things they don't mean black people, they only mean black women. That's their priority. Guys like Ryan Coogler are tasked to make sure black women are as well represented in Black Panther, if not more so, as black men. But women like Ava shows that all she cares about in this case are black females. Black boys have had just as little representation of themselves in animation and movies as black girls. But no one cares about them or takes the time to consider that they will constantly be bombarded with reinforcement on the big screen that they are not good enough to be princes, or love interests of females of any race. Not even their own. So, fuck Ava. I even sent a tweet to her expressing my disappointment of her casting choices. It wasn't mean or filled with foul language but I called her out. I didn't notice until about 8 months later that she had blocked me on twitter.

Are there black men in the film? Andre Holland plays a teacher in the movie. The lead character has a little brother who joins her in the adventure but to be honest I'm not even sure he's black. Didn't look like it from his picture during his casting. If he's adopted that is one convenient way to keep the number of black males low in the movie. There's a white boy who is the classmate of the lead girl who goes on the adventure too. Ava could have made him black. Could have made him anything but white. But she didn't. And black twitter for the most part is silent about it. There was one absurd complaint I did come across on twitter about this movie but I'll share that later.


And you know it's becoming more and more transparent, These black women like Ava only care about BLACK WOMEN. That's why I say they are going to expose themselves if they dare try to tear down another movie and tv show about black men with white women. Even the brotha in the video @ColiBreh1 posted who seemed to be against all interracial if you listen in full to his part about the double standard, he recognizes the double standard. White men can only help them for so long...

So I'm like let's see what happens. Hopefully they get exposed as they should.

BTW, another movie I found that has a Teen IR relationship in it is in Julia Roberts new movie Wonder coming out this fall.
 
Jamal your analysis on this topic of imbalanced ir in hollywood is dead on accurate.

I'm curious, when did you first start to take notice of these patterns?


When you were a young movie/t.v. viewer did someone older hip you to this, or did you piece most of it together on your own?



I remember watching a horror show or movie when i was much younger (can't remember the title). The story takes place on a Carribean island. There was a scene where the actress Vanity was playing chess with this WM. I remember him taking one of his white chess pieces, reaching over and knocking the black king off the board. He then places his chess piece next to the black queen and says "White king takes black queen." She gets this lusty look in her eyes, and a sex scene between the two follows shortly after.

None of my friends seemed to bothered by this, but instinctively that shit irritated me. Even at that young age i started to notice some disturbing patterns in t.v./movies.

If you brought this topic up to people back in the day their eyes would glaze over. The only thing people noticed and complained about back then was BM portrayed as criminals and being the first to die in horror movies. The neutering of BM was almost never discussed.
 
Pay attention, folks. Black women in these positions of being the driving creative forces almost never set a setting in which a black man and white woman have any relationship at all. This is the case when they are writing novels, running TV shows or directing/casting for films. They may pair a black guy with an Asian or a Hispanic but not white females. But they won't hesitate to pair black women with white men. They rush to the opportunity in fact. These ladies get their feet inside the gates of power and in the first opportunity they put those types of pairings together.

There's an interview Ava did with EW this week and she is slurping all over Chris Pine. She talks about how he is the first heartthrob to appear in her movies, pretty much shitting on black guys like Omari Hardwick who had appeared in her earlier motion pictures.

This should've been the tell-tell sign that Ghost & Angela were NEVER going to be end game on "Power".

Speaking of Omari Hardwick & Nate Parker/"Birth of a Nation", 1 of the podcasts I listen to (FiyaStarter Podcast) a few months ago or so after the
Oscars were having a discussion that the real reason bw sabotaged BoaN was because they found out Nate Parker's wife was white (not because of his old college rape case). That turned into a discussion about Black Male actors whose careers suffered after it was found out they had a non-bw GF or wife. Omari Hardwick was 1 of these actors they discussed (Skip to the 2:01:40 mark; discussion lasts for 20 minutes):

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/fiyastarter/episodes/2017-03-08T23_07_09-08_00






EDIT:
They had a 18-minute follow-up discussion the next week (Skip to the 3:01:33 mark):

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/fiyastarter/episodes/2017-03-15T21_55_21-07_00
 
Jamal your analysis on this topic of imbalanced ir in hollywood is dead on accurate.

I'm curious, when did you first start to take notice of these patterns?


When you were a young movie/t.v. viewer did someone older hip you to this, or did you piece most of it together on your own?



I remember watching a horror show or movie when i was much younger (can't remember the title). The story takes place on a Carribean island. There was a scene where the actress Vanity was playing chess with this WM. I remember him taking one of his white chess pieces, reaching over and knocking the black king off the board. He then places his chess piece next to the black queen and says "White king takes black queen." She gets this lusty look in her eyes, and a sex scene between the two follows shortly after.

None of my friends seemed to bothered by this, but instinctively that shit irritated me. Even at that young age i started to notice some disturbing patterns in t.v./movies.

If you brought this topic up to people back in the day their eyes would glaze over. The only thing people noticed and complained about back then was BM portrayed as criminals and being the first to die in horror movies. The neutering of BM was almost never discussed.


Oh, man. Hmmm. I don't know if I exactly remember when it started clicking for me like that but I think it may have actually occurred before high school. I recall sitting around a table with female members of my family and we were watching this show. A white male character kissed a black female character and all the women, including my mom, broke out into applause. It irritated me a lot for some reason. Can't say why I was triggered like that. It wasn't as if I was brought up in an environment to be astute concerning such things or to look for them. There was just some point early on in my life that made me more perceptive of how black males were being portrayed. As a kid I was more painfully aware of this stuff than most of the adult black men I hang out with or work alongside are today. And it isn't as if I'm always pleased to be wired like this. I was hyper-aware of shit to the point that at times I thought it was a bit of a curse. To be aware of it isn't exactly fun and can at times eat away at you. I keep telling myself that it ain't life and death and I tend to let it slide most times. I have nothing against the black women and white men who hook up in real life or on screen. Just wish things weren't so one-sided in movies and I wish more people would recognize and acknowledged the double standards.


Oh, I do recall as a kid coming across a comic book about this black woman who was queen of the jungle. She was drawn all sexy and with barely any clothing. In the issue I came across she encountered some white explorers/hunters. One of them was a young blond male and I recall how she was portrayed to be excited and sexually aroused over him. She stated a line that she had never seen a man like him before, one this beautiful, blah, blah, blah. I recognize that as being a slap at black men, even if not completely intentional. I knew enough to realize the comic book was likely written by a white man but still, as stupid as this may sound, her words about the white guy stung me as if they came from a real black woman. That's the power that the media and storytelling can have over impressionable young folks.
 
This should've been the tell-tell sign that Ghost & Angela were NEVER going to be end game on "Power".

Speaking of Omari Hardwick & Nate Parker/"Birth of a Nation", 1 of the podcasts I listen to (FiyaStarter Podcast) a few months ago or so after the
Oscars were having a discussion that the real reason bw sabotaged BoaN was because they found out Nate Parker's wife was white (not because of his old college rape case). That turned into a discussion about Black Male actors whose careers suffered after it was found out they had a non-bw GF or wife. Omari Hardwick was 1 of these actors they discussed (Skip to the 2:01:40 mark; discussion lasts for 20 minutes):

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/fiyastarter/episodes/2017-03-08T23_07_09-08_00






EDIT:
They had a 18-minute follow-up discussion the next week (Skip to the 3:01:33 mark):

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/fiyastarter/episodes/2017-03-15T21_55_21-07_00


My man, you keep hitting targets that I've been thinking about but I have for the moment tried to ignore. Yes, to the bs about "Power" and that black woman who runs the show. I'll get into later, just don't have time at this right now. You are also right about the REAL reason the backlash started regarding Nate Parker. I saw it happen in real time. The first pushback came from black women learning his wife was white. Later on they all did the attacking under the disclaimer that Parker was a dirtbag who attacked women. Of course many of these same ladies always defended Chris Brown and did so probably because his women were always black. They have higher opinions of black men who date black women exclusively and beat them up from time to time than they do black men who are not abusive but date/marry white women. Or marry/date non-black women in the case of Derek Luke.
 
Jamal your analysis on this topic of imbalanced ir in hollywood is dead on accurate.

I'm curious, when did you first start to take notice of these patterns?


When you were a young movie/t.v. viewer did someone older hip you to this, or did you piece most of it together on your own?



I remember watching a horror show or movie when i was much younger (can't remember the title). The story takes place on a Carribean island. There was a scene where the actress Vanity was playing chess with this WM. I remember him taking one of his white chess pieces, reaching over and knocking the black king off the board. He then places his chess piece next to the black queen and says "White king takes black queen." She gets this lusty look in her eyes, and a sex scene between the two follows shortly after.

None of my friends seemed to bothered by this, but instinctively that shit irritated me. Even at that young age i started to notice some disturbing patterns in t.v./movies.

If you brought this topic up to people back in the day their eyes would glaze over. The only thing people noticed and complained about back then was BM portrayed as criminals and being the first to die in horror movies. The neutering of BM was almost never discussed.


I remember that movie I think it's called Tanya's island
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that movie fucked me up, it had her in a love scene with a beast! Obviously a guy in a costume, but still. smh.

But it all goes back to slavery when white men used to sleep with the black female slaves and labeled them their bedwenches. If you ever seen the movies DRUM and Mandingo you would know what I'm talking about. And then their was these places in the mid 1800s called Quadroon Balls, where wealthy white men we're set up with mixed race black women for sex and other extramarital affairs http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stacy-parker-aab/quadroons-for-beginners-d_b_3869605.html

IR has been happening on screen WAY before Guess who's coming to dinner, Patch Of Blue, Movin' with Nancy, Story of a Three Day Pass, ect.
But they were mostly with white men, and ONLY with white men as as main stream goes...


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1964 episode of British soap opera Emergency – Ward 10
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If you search for any list of Interracial couples and love scenes, most of them are going to feature white men.

Disney CLAIMED the first live action IR kissing scene was in Beauty and the Beast, but actually it was in Snowdogs with Cuba Gooding, jr and Joanna Bacalso(Filipino)
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But of course they sweep that under the rug, because one of the other things they do with IR involving black men is try their damndest to keep it out of mainstream.

Interracial has ALWAYS been okay as long as it features a white man. When you look at the bigger picture white men are in the majority of IR love on screen. They even completely re-wrote the story of Pocahontas to have her fall in love with a white man, when that poor girl was actually kidnapped and sexually assaulted and she never married John Smith.
https://indiancountrymedianetwork.c...cahontas-historical-myths-versus-sad-reality/

But the goal of Hollywood is to make the white guy the love interest, the most desirable. That is one of the reasons why TV shows go with that trend when they do have white women and black men as a couple or potential couple they can't help but to add a white guy to the mix as either part of a love triangle where she falls for him more or they have her do the black guy dirty and cheat on him with the white guy and it be seen as a good thing, because how do you have the main character be a lowdown cheater. But like in iZombie for instance she is not portrayed as that and they pretty much brushed over the fact she cheated. And like on Wynonna Earp they made Dolls the jerk and Doc(who used to bed whores, btw.) some kind of Romeo.

These so-called "Pro-Black" Black women don't realize all of this because they are too busy trying to drag and bring down black men because they found love on screen or off screen with the opposite race.

I don't want to make IR involving white men a bad thing, racist white men that control all of this shit is doing it themselves and putting a pretty illusion over it. Black men and white women are the most hated unions on the planet. Hollywood and mainstream actresses are on pace to have more lesbian love stories on film than Interracial love stories with black men. So much proof out there to prove it. But as I said it will and hopefully it will ALL come to light, because we are starting to see brothas already put it out there on social media like on youtube and podcasts and twitter. I didn't think many people knew about the crap Supergirl was pulling with Mehcad Brooks/Jimmy Olsen, but they did and got after the Supergirl twitter handle and hashtag. We just need white women to notice as well, I mean they be shipping and making youtube videos of some of these IR couples you would think they would've caught on by now. Our union is the most hated.
 
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We need to make sure this movie that this movie does well and they don't try and destroy it like they did with that Nat Turner movie. Critics will already be on our side, because this movie is getting Oscar buzz and it is acclaimed, so I don't believe that they can have a fighting chance. I believe all they will have is speaking out against the IR that is in this movie and call out the lack of black women in a movie about a story that doesn't feature many black women in the real life incident. They don't have a leg to stand on and we have to make sure they don't give an illusion that they do.

The thing about "Detroit" is that it probably shouldn't be playing in mainstream theaters anymore than "Birth of a Nation". It should go the route of Bigelow's other movies like "The Hurtlocker" and "Zero Dark Thirty", both of which were shown primarily at arthouses and movie theaters that catered to independent films. The topic is too controversial and the experience of the film may be too painful for 'Detroit" to be running at your local AMC alongside "Darktower". It's not meant to be a blockbuster but could have a long life in theaters if it gets a limited release of 500 or so theaters throughout the country.
 
So there is this movie coming out called “Detroit” that may be an Oscar contender. You may have heard about it. If not check out the trailers below.








When the announcement was made about the film going into production it was a big deal because Kathryn Bigelow and Mark Boal were behind it. The two had worked together twice before on “The Hurt Locker” and ‘Zero dark Thirty”, she as the director and he as the writer. Bigelow ended up becoming the first woman to win an Academy Award for Best Director and “The Hurt Locker” had won for Best Picture that same year. Zero Dark Thirty was nominated for Best Picture. So the two have a pretty good recent track record.

What also interested me was that the movie was supposed to be about some murder that occurred during the Detroit riots in the 1960s. Casting started coming out and a few of the first names announced were guys like John Boyega and Anthony Mackie. Then there was the announcement of two white actresses, then some white dudes, then so more black actors, etc. Around this time all the press and studio releases were describing this movie as if it was only about the riots. And that made me wonder where were the black actresses. If this movie was going to be about the Detroit riots certainly black females were involved. But I checked the IMDB listings and I couldn’t find any prominent role for black women. But I knew the inclusion of the white actresses must have meant something. So I did some quick research with Google and realized the movie must be about The Algiers Motel Incident. Would make sense because that involved controversial killings by the police during the week in which the riots took place. Sounded intriguing. But I thought about the lack of black actresses and I knew there was going to be trouble.

Months later the first trailer comes out. And BOOM. There was trouble. Black folks saw the trailer and didn’t see much representation of black women and HAD A FIT. Black women in particular were irate and awoke Black Twitter to slay some demons. Where are the black women? Why no sistas in this film? This movie is erasing black women and I ain’t here for that. Blah, blah, blah. To be honest if all the folks had seen were just black men and white men on the screen this would have been less of an issue. But the presence of white women, including quick shots of a black boy or two appearing to flirt with white chicks, meant this movie was an enemy to black women. And of course their chump black men rushed in to save their queens and demand answers! Some of us tried to point out that the film was about the Algiers Motel Incident. This incident didn’t involve black women. That the riot itself was just serving as a backdrop. But even those who stopped foaming long enough to listen to this explanation still weren’t satisfied. To them the next logical question became why did the filmmakers choose this particular story rather than other ones involving the riots.


So for the following months there has been a lot of talk on twitter by black women about not supporting the movie. Much of it was nonsnse. But what I came across yesterday even surprised me:



https://twitter.com/CatladyShazza/status/885650352195989504


So you have this tweet by SJW Movie Reviews who is apparently a black woman but a more honest description would be Latest Scumbag of the Earth. I guess she wasn’t all that thrilled with that picture of the cast of the film she was responding to, the one that included a bunch of black guys, two white chicks and one token white dude. The poor girl was triggered or was at least painfully reminded about this prestigious film coming out. That led her to make a comment beyond venomous:

A movie about Detroit featuring ashy niggas and the mediocre Beckies they cape for.


Shit. How toxic is that? How vile and despicable? In less than fifteen words she unpacks a lot of baggage and hatred. She’s definitely pissed that no black women are in the picture and thus don’t have a large role in the film. She is so disgusted she attacks the looks of the black actors in the film, guys who are paid to play the roles they are given. I’m certain they are more photogenic than she is but blind rage doesn’t allow for someone like her to look in the mirror. And of course she takes shots at the white gals, referring to them by slang (Beckie) , and describing their looks as being mediocre. Not to mention she demonstrates uninhibited anger that these black guys will be slurping over these girls in the film and her fucking fragile ego can’t take it.


I’ve been on these boards for awhile and those of you who are familiar with me know I don’t use certain words. But I’m giving myself a pass today in this thread. I can’t stand these bitches. Can’t stand them, fed up with them, hope they succumb to a disease and die. Seriously FUCK all of them.


The Algiers Motel Incident was an event in which three young black males were murdered by the police. It was a travesty. I don’t know of all the particulars but what I do know is that a best selling book was made about it as was a record by a folk singer. Which probably explains why the filmmakers were interested in making a movie about this in the first place. I have read that a couple of white girls whom the black guys may or may not have been hooking up with also got caught up in the madness and were treated like shit too. And all of us here are smart enough to realize that when trigger-happy, macho-postering white guys in authority with guns come across white women hanging out with black males that’s a formula for disaster. So this is no joking matter. Three black men were killed. And, no, it wasn’t their fault. And it wasn’t the fault of the young white women. It was the fault of the white police officers who went too far.



Katheryn Bigelow decided to tell this story, a story that is quite fitting considering the times we are living in the USA. But instead of respecting what Bigelow is doing or at the very least respecting those that died in that incident, we have certain black women on twitter acting like petulant children making a mockery of themselves and our people in general.

I’m not claiming all black women or even the majority of them share these same attitudes . But there is enough of them out there to shape discussions and attitudes going forward. And it is clear these women want to put black men in a box and limit their romantic options both in real life and especially on screen. They like crying about the rare glimpses of white women and black men on screen while simultaneously basking in the glory of Spiderman: Homecoming or creating sites dedicated to Rick and Michonne. It would be easier to ignore if it was just them but they have a bunch of black male dupes who buy into it, a progressive and conservative media who overlook their blatant hypocritical bigotry and an entertainment industry who, unintentionally or not, does their bidding.


It is really….REALLY important for people, especially black men, to push back against this bullshit. There is nothing about this Detroit movie that insults black women, there is no justification for black people to ignore the movie simply because black women don’t play a major role in this particular story. Would black women anywhere have traded places with the victims of that motel just so they could have a movie made about what happened to them fifty years later? I don’t fucking think so. I expect white folks from racist site to direct blatant racism towards black people so far as movie and films are concerned. But black women and black people in general who demonstrate such bigotry think they are justified and don’t have to hide behind any phony excuses explaining their hatefulness. They pretty much have mainstreamed prejudice within Black Twitter and other races outside of white people are picking up on this. This nonsense has to end because while I’m aware of racism that affects me, I don’t prescribe to the level of intolerance that some black folks feel justified in promoting. Those bastards don’t represent me, they don’t speak for me. So, yeah, I’m paying money when ‘Detroit” comes out. And if its good enough I’ll play to see it again.
Outstanding. This should be viral. I hope you share this wider.
 
Is it me or does it seem like nearly everyone except for black men are waiting on line to be the next oppressive group
So many amazing analysis in this thread. Might have to quote some of this to friends
 
https://shadowandact.com/detriot-fi...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

"A trailer for the international release of Katheryn Bigelow's Detroit has been released.

In a stark contrast to the action-packed trailers that have been released so far, this one is more mellow and seemingly more-character focused than the U.S. trailers. In this trailer, we also see dialogue from Samira Wiley's character (although she had dialogue in one of the TV spots) and the families of the characters at the center.

After being subject to some criticism for the title of the film and absence of black women in major roles, it seems as if the marketing (purposeful or not) for the film has been adjusted since the very first trailer dropped."


I like shadowandact they are VERY equal in promoting IR and both Black Men and Black Women in the industry, but come on this trailer is the international trailer and was only at 52 views. Don't hype/gas those ignorant to this story and are obviously just upset of the IR that was shown briefly in the film.
 
The international market doesn't give a damn if more black women are in the trailer.

Yeah, and it's the international trailer so I don't know why shadowandact even put that tidbit out there, I don't think the movie is yielding to these ignorant, hypocritical women that don't know anything about this incident and don't speak up when black men are being erased and minimized in films like A Wrinkle In Time.
 
Yeah, and it's the international trailer so I don't know why shadowandact even put that tidbit out there, I don't think the movie is yielding to these ignorant, hypocritical women that don't know anything about this incident and don't speak up when black men are being erased and minimized in films like A Wrinkle In Time.
True DC.
 
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Watched both trailers, movie looks boring as fuck and should of been directly released to Netflix. Dudes really in here upset over Birth of Nation not doing numbers when it was a disappointing movie albeit powerful acting by the lead.

Hurt Locker was ok.

Zero Dark Thirty was ass.



Easy pass!

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Is it me or does it seem like nearly everyone except for black men are waiting on line to be the next oppressive group

Its almost a miracle how black guys for the most part are so chill. Perhaps the best example of this was one day shortly after the nipple-gate controversy that took place during a Super Bowl halftime show with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake. Everyone here knows the specifics. Anyway I had walked into a department store and was in the men's section and I stumbled across three black men having a conversation. They were of various ages and were a mix of employees and customers. They were talking about that halftime show and having a good ol' time doing so. They were also kinda giving Timberlake props for being in a position they wish they were in. There was no anger from them, no bitterness, no hate. And I imagined if this had been a halftime show that featured Shania Twain or Britney and the male performer singing alongside of them was Usher or Nelly. Now imagined if was planned for Nelly or Usher to rip off some clothing of a white female star and the event went wrong when parts of the body were accidentally exposed. I have a hard time believing if that occurred there would have been anywhere in America three white guys laughing about it and having fun with it and giving Usher/Nelly props. Nah. They would have wanted the black male singer to be strung up, would have been almost as angry for the white chick to be on stage with a nigger anyway, and would have blamed Jews who controlled media to have orchestrated the whole affair in order to push some agenda of race mixing. You can certainly bet they would not have been amused by the matter. Black women wouldn't have been amused either and would have dismissed the white female star as a ho and the black male star as a stupid coon who should have known better than to "be on stage with some white girl".
 
@JamalSpunky BW trying to make everything just about them is affecting politics too. This interview/panel discussion with Roland Martin on NewsOne Now from a couple months ago was just weird & childish AF:

Black women activists and elected officials have a message for Democratic National Committee Chair Tom Perez - there’s too much at stake for them to be ignored.

They are calling for dialogue on how the DNC can step it up with African American women - from supporting Black female candidates to putting them in leadership roles.
 
I totally understand black women wanting more of the reigns of leadership within the Democratic Party. But the method of going about that is also important.
 
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