Do Black Men Respect White Women

[xoxo]

I think it doesnt say that at all.

Especially since we all know him and his posts..
I think it his posts rather point at stop focusing on what ww "pull" in regards to bm and that women regardless of color of their choice of mate are going for the same standards.... "Its not a ww thing" - that is how I read it.
regardless if its wrong or right.. I dont think he is arguing that..
(There will always be men and women that have silly standards when it comes to the oposite sex - we have discussed that a lot in so many threads).

Most of all, love the one your with.

I dont think he ever meant that bm is at the bottom of the barrel - we know that is not the truth. (If so, then we can drag up the old stereotype that bm pull ww from the bottom of the barrel - which is insulting to both bm and ww).

Further more, what is beatiful to one is not to someone else, is that really basis of saying that someone pulls the bottom of the barrel?

People need to stop passing judgement on who people chose as their mate and interpret it as they are low on the totempole for doing so....
What ever makes you happy... do you..

Well, I gave you a rep for this.

I have no clue as to how you came to that conclusion whatsoever.

Theamusedposter most likely a WM came to that conclusion because they already probably believe that black men are at the bottom of the heap of suitable partners and are so undesirable that unattractive women of any race can "pull" attractive black men and that your ego is stroked because you can have almost any black man that you desire because of the fact that you are white and that I'm competing for the dregs of society as far as women are concerned.

FG I just re read xo's post and I see how one could see it as a negative. He did say that black women of the unattractive ilk can pull and reject good looking black men

Black men are universally desired irrespective of a woman's race, social class or dress size and we equally choose and ultimately decide the women we are with. This bothers the Black female and White male trolls who want to imagine a multitude of roadblocks that would keep us apart. If they truly believe the things they ascribed to us, they wouldn't troll or be amused here any more than they would on an elderly love forum; they would regard us as being ineligible partners. They are here because they want us, or want us to want them!!!!

The only reason the emphasis has been placed on Women is because BMJ mentioned the dating requirements of some White women with respect to Black men. I brought unattractive Black women into this conversation only to illustrate they also have the same out of their league dating requirements with respect to Black men. What I didn't want to mention is that I find most Black women unattractive or unsuitable! - This is not a tacit admission I will go with any woman because she is White...

Hill Harper, pre-fame, could have pulled any number of beautiful and intelligent White or Asian woman. The fact that he would even approach something like Sherri Shepard, much less be turned down by her makes no sense to me, but that's just my opinion.

Love the one you're with, I didn't want to dog the choices of Black men, who choose what I find largely to be unsuitable women, most of whom are Black!!!! Based on my view on this, I don't see how a "White Sherri Shepard" couldn't expect to pull the same type of Black man (especially when she doesn't have an attitude or a headdress full of some Asian woman's hair attached to her own).

It does illustrate a negative picture of bm.

What does it say about Black men that some of them they go with women I find unattractive, I call that a matter of choice. What does it say about Black men who are more and more finding attractive and intelligent White and Asian women to be with, I call that Change I Can Believe In!!!!!

where you would never in a million years see this from our white counter parts.

So you've never questioned the choice of a White man with regards to his woman? I sure have.

 

[AlmostThere]

Do you think your "busted" bm with a menial job can have his choice of attractive bw???

That was the whole point: the standards of ww and bw are pretty much the same when it comes to your particular example.

I know we have discussed that ww have higher standards when it comes to a bm mate than a wm mate (that is some peoples opinion).

We have also discussed that bw are rejecting bm that ww would love to have as a mate based on job, cars, paycheck etc (that is yet other peoples opinion).
To me, those two are mutually exclusive as a whole although we all have different experiences on that and thus have different opinions.

There are stereotypes that certainly needs to die and then there are unfortunate truths.


Do I believe your example can have his choice of attractive ww? Probably not, just as much as his choice would be equally limited with bw.. but a "busted" up wm with a menial job would have similar limitations imo.
Orrr "busted" ww or bw for that matter...

(man do I dislike the term "busted")

I guess this is the point that some are trying to make

Busted up WM = little to no chance with attractive WW, little to no chance with attractive BW
Busted up BM = little to no chance with attractive WW, little to no chance with attractive BW
Busted up BW = little to no chance with attractive WM, little to no chance with attractive BM
Busted up WW = little to no chance with attractive WM, chance with attractive BM

The trolls and anti-IR for BM/WW people see this as fuel for their cause but it is not because attractive people (including attractive BM) will attract other attractive people of all races and IR will continue.

However, let's not kid ourselves. To paraphrase Chris Rock, people's preferences are as big as their options. For example many BW claims of being more loyal than BM when it appears that it is other races of men that are not reciprocating the interest.

Give a typical BM a choice between a Heidi Klum type and a Roseanne Barr type and most if they are honest will pick Heidi. If given a choice between someone who is 5'5" and 120lbs or 5'5" and 275 lbs, most BM will take the smaller woman. Sure we can argue preferences and about the relativity of the terms "busted" and "attractive", but on some level we know better.

I don't blame "busted" WW for going for attractive BM if they can get them, nor do I blame the attractive BM for taking busted WW if that is all they believe that they can get. Better those men sleep with/date/marry busted WW than me.

 

[xoxo]

Black men are universally desired irrespective of a woman's race, social class or dress size and we equally choose and ultimately decide the women we are with.

This was a generalization, lest anyone misconstrue....

 

[AlmostThere]

If they truly believe the things they ascribed to us, they wouldn't troll or be amused here any more than they would on an elderly love forum; they would regard us as being ineligible partners. They are here because they want us, or want us to want them!!!!

 

[The Dark King]

Unattractive or "busted" white men can't have their choice of attractive white women. White men are losing their women these days to 12-13 year olds. LOL.

Can we give Karma award for line of the day. Well deserves lol

 

[FRESH]

It's funny that the things said in this thread have been said a thousand times before, it's just manifested in different ways. This will continue because the instance you add race as the perpetuation of any action that begets an action/reaction, generalizations, interpretations (wrong or right), and stereotypes will occur, it's human nature. To be able to say that generalizations, stereotypes, and etc.(of the like) hasn't occurred in a dialogue between two people, countries, opposing sides, in a forum for this matter, would mean getting close to utopia (extreme and unobtainable) Hence, without the bad, the good would not exist...therefore, YOU can only try and hope that YOU don't fall victim to many generalizations, such stereotypes, unattractive mates as a whole, and DO YOU...it's the only way we can get closer to the "unobtainable"...be true to yourself and get someone that is beautiful to YOU.

 

[suprchic73]

You know what? I haven't been here that long, but I am SO bored of this argument.

Everyone's so bloody sensitive about this stereotype, but why does it matter? You go after who you find attractive and I'll do the same, everyone's happy.

was gonna rep you, but i have to go spread my love elsewhere before i can rep you again, lol. but so true - i'm over it...same 'ole, same 'ole. yada, yada, yada. :roll:

 

[The Dark King]

Well, I gave you a rep for this.



Theamusedposter most likely a WM came to that conclusion because they already probably believe that black men are at the bottom of the heap of suitable partners and are so undesirable that unattractive women of any race can "pull" attractive black men and that your ego is stroked because you can have almost any black man that you desire because of the fact that you are white and that I'm competing for the dregs of society as far as women are concerned.



Black men are universally desired irrespective of a woman's race, social class or dress size and we equally choose and ultimately decide the women we are with. This bothers the Black female and White male trolls who want to imagine a multitude of roadblocks that would keep us apart. If they truly believe the things they ascribed to us, they wouldn't troll or be amused here any more than they would on an elderly love forum; they would regard us as being ineligible partners. They are here because they want us, or want us to want them!!!!

The only reason the emphasis has been placed on Women is because BMJ mentioned the dating requirements of some White women with respect to Black men. I brought unattractive Black women into this conversation only to illustrate they also have the same out of their league dating requirements with respect to Black men. What I didn't want to mention is that I find most Black women unattractive or unsuitable! - This is not a tacit admission I will go with any woman because she is White...

Hill Harper, pre-fame, could have pulled any number of beautiful and intelligent White or Asian woman. The fact that he would even approach something like Sherri Shepard, much less be turned down by her makes no sense to me, but that's just my opinion.

Love the one you're with, I didn't want to dog the choices of Black men, who choose what I find largely to be unsuitable women, most of whom are Black!!!! Based on my view on this, I don't see how a "White Sherri Shepard" couldn't expect to pull the same type of Black man (especially when she doesn't have an attitude or a headdress full of some Asian woman's hair attached to her own).



What does it say about Black men that some of them they go with women I find unattractive, I call that a matter of choice. What does it say about Black men who are more and more finding attractive and intelligent White and Asian women to be with, I call that Change I Can Believe In!!!!!



So you've never questioned the choice of a White man with regards to his woman? I sure have.

Ill quote Samuel Jackson from Jungle Fever "everytime they go for one of ours its the cream of the crop but usually you see one us with the bottom of the barrel"

Truth be told where I live there is a high concentration of gorgeous women and good looking guys so most couples are good looking period but in a lot of my online research the women usually not always, date strictly date wm are usually more attractive than those you strictly date bm. You don't have to take my word for it just check out a few interracial dating sites. I notice that a lot of the women who exclusively date bm who are hot are normally from other countries. Not to say that there aren't beautiful women in this country who don't date bm but its not as many women who are willing to date out of their race for wm.
Kind of supports my earlier arguement that there is a social value placed on race especially in country where civil rights have only been in play for two generations.

 

[AnMDBCartoon]

It's funny that the things said in this thread have been said a thousand times before, it's just manifested in different ways.

.....I am SO bored of this argument.

I concur, m8's...

The same old "Same-Old". And that's why I, for one, have opted to add tuppence here less and less....

Why harp on the Same Old Crusty Tired Subject constantly?

...be true to yourself and get someone that is beautiful to YOU.

You go after who you find attractive and I'll do the same. Everyone's happy

And THAT is telling it like it really is!!




'Nuff Said!!!!



















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[FG]

I guess this is the point that some are trying to make

Busted up WM = little to no chance with attractive WW, little to no chance with attractive BW
Busted up BM = little to no chance with attractive WW, little to no chance with attractive BW
Busted up BW = little to no chance with attractive WM, little to no chance with attractive BM
Busted up WW = little to no chance with attractive WM, chance with attractive BM

The trolls and anti-IR for BM/WW people see this as fuel for their cause but it is not because attractive people (including attractive BM) will attract other attractive people of all races and IR will continue.

However, let's not kid ourselves. To paraphrase Chris Rock, people's preferences are as big as their options. For example many BW claims of being more loyal than BM when it appears that it is other races of men that are not reciprocating the interest.

Give a typical BM a choice between a Heidi Klum type and a Roseanne Barr type and most if they are honest will pick Heidi. If given a choice between someone who is 5'5" and 120lbs or 5'5" and 275 lbs, most BM will take the smaller woman. Sure we can argue preferences and about the relativity of the terms "busted" and "attractive", but on some level we know better.

I don't blame "busted" WW for going for attractive BM if they can get them, nor do I blame the attractive BM for taking busted WW if that is all they believe that they can get. Better those men sleep with/date/marry busted WW than me.

But here is the thing though (about your "busted" ww going for attractive bm)...
The bm who chooses to be with a "busted" ww did so on their own decission, they werent "pulled" like mindless cattle, now, were they)...
Its their decission to go with who ever person they find atractive.
They clearly dont see a "busted" ww (in your example above)... thus - its the preception of the observer who deems said ww to be "busted" and she got an attractive bm...

That leads to what I said earlier - who are we to judge what is beautiful to others and to judge said bm to chose this "busted" ww, clearly he doesnt see it that way or he wouldnt be with that person.
Thus, live and let live - its none our business to stick our nose in other peoples choice of mate.

You can chose your mate based on your preferences and so can everybody else.

 

[Espy]

But here is the thing though (about your "busted" ww going for attractive bm)...
The bm who chooses to be with a "busted" ww did so on their own decission, they werent "pulled" like mindless cattle, now, were they)...
Its their decission to go with who ever person they find atractive.
They clearly dont see a "busted" ww (in your example above)... thus - its the preception of the observer who deems said ww to be "busted" and she got an attractive bm...

That leads to what I said earlier - who are we to judge what is beautiful to others and to judge said bm to chose this "busted" ww, clearly he doesnt see it that way or he wouldnt be with that person.
Thus, live and let live - its none our business to stick our nose in other peoples choice of mate.

You can chose your mate based on your preferences and so can everybody else.

This pretty much sums it up FG. As far as I'm concerned this one sentence puts the whole discussion to rest.

 

[FG]

This pretty much sums it up FG. As far as I'm concerned this one sentence puts the whole discussion to rest.

Thanks ESPY, I wasted more than enough energy on that old discussion..ooopssss

 

[AlmostThere]

They clearly dont see a "busted" ww (in your example above)... thus - its the preception of the observer who deems said ww to be "busted" and she got an attractive bm....

That leads to what I said earlier - who are we to judge what is beautiful to others and to judge said bm to chose this "busted" ww, clearly he doesnt see it that way or he wouldnt be with that person.

The reality is that those BM themselves know they have a "busted" WW. They just want a WW (any WW) so bad, they will take what they think they can get.

I do understand who gets with who is none of my business. However remember that the next time you complain about how BM/WW couples are treated differently. As long as this dynamic exists:

Busted up WM = little to no chance with attractive WW, little to no chance with attractive BW
Busted up BM = little to no chance with attractive WW, little to no chance with attractive BW
Busted up BW = little to no chance with attractive WM, little to no chance with attractive BM
Busted up WW = little to no chance with attractive WM, chance with attractive BM

How can anyone reasonably expect others to treat them as the same when they act differently?

 

[Espy]

The reality is that those BM themselves know they have a "busted" WW. They just want a WW (any WW) so bad, they will take what they think they can get.

I do understand who gets with who is none of my business. However remember that the next time you complain about how BM/WW couples are treated differently. As long as this dynamic exists:

Busted up WM = little to no chance with attractive WW, little to no chance with attractive BW
Busted up BM = little to no chance with attractive WW, little to no chance with attractive BW
Busted up BW = little to no chance with attractive WM, little to no chance with attractive BM
Busted up WW = little to no chance with attractive WM, chance with attractive BM

How can one reasonably expect others to treat you as the same when you act differently?

Everything you stated here is based upon your personal opinion of who is attracted to, or has a chance with, whom. That doesn't make it fact. It also isn't the basis for why BM/WW couples are treated differently, if/when that occurs.

 

[christine dubois]

But here is the thing though (about your "busted" ww going for attractive bm)...
The bm who chooses to be with a "busted" ww did so on their own decission, they werent "pulled" like mindless cattle, now, were they)...
Its their decission to go with who ever person they find atractive.
They clearly dont see a "busted" ww (in your example above)... thus - its the preception of the observer who deems said ww to be "busted" and she got an attractive bm...

That leads to what I said earlier - who are we to judge what is beautiful to others and to judge said bm to chose this "busted" ww, clearly he doesnt see it that way or he wouldnt be with that person.
Thus, live and let live - its none our business to stick our nose in other peoples choice of mate.

You can chose your mate based on your preferences and so can everybody else.

That is very correct, what you say FG. Many chose l- or XL ladies, because of their attraction to that type of women.

On the other hand- a person should have and follw his niveau consequently, without taking care about the colour- btw men and women.

 

[AlmostThere]

Everything you stated here is based upon your personal opinion of who is attracted to, or has a chance with, whom. That doesn't make it fact. It also isn't the basis for why BM/WW couples are treated differently, if/when that occurs.

Sure I have my opinions, but there are some standards that are near universal (not 100% but most people would agree on) for men and women, why pretend otherwise? It is evident in the "Hot women" and "hot men" threads on this board.

I live in a city that is one of the known hotbeds for IR. While I do see many "evenly" (according to my opinion) matched couples , the "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" mantra seems to be one sided when it comes to the "not so evenly" matched couples. I notice the same thing online. And I hear other BM report the same who live in other locations? Maybe it is only our perception, maybe it is not.

 

[Iggy]

Wow feeling sensative today huh guys

lol
When arent some of these people sensative???

Honestly, it seems like someone in almost every thread ends up catching feelings over the dumbest shit.

 

[Nerdy Girl]

Hill Harper, pre-fame, could have pulled any number of beautiful and intelligent White or Asian woman. The fact that he would even approach something like Sherri Shepard, much less be turned down by her makes no sense to me, but that's just my opinion.

Slightly (Ok, completely!) off-topic, I know - but I have the biggest crush on him! Not only is he handsome but also SMART. I got to see him in person when he was campaigning for Obama, with whom he attended Harvard Law. Hill also has a MPA from the Kennedy School. Smart and handsome....*swoon.* Hard to imagine anyone in their right mind rejecting him!

NG

 

[xoxo]

Slightly (Ok, completely!) off-topic, I know - but I have the biggest crush on him! Not only is he handsome but also SMART. I got to see him in person when he was campaigning for Obama, with whom he attended Harvard Law. Hill also has a MPA from the Kennedy School. Smart and handsome....*swoon.* Hard to imagine anyone in their right mind rejecting him!

NG

I'm not sure what's more perplexing that fact that Hill Harper would ask this woman out or the fact that she turned him down???....because he was taking the bus at the time in New York City...and didn't have a car.

Didn't mean to sound harsh, I do find some Black women attractive, and attraction is subjective, but I do make assessments on looks and character when it comes to other couples, like people do with us, but minus the Hate stares and trolling boards. Remember, I said it's all good, love the one you're with, but Hill, you dodged a bullet bro!!!!!!!

 

[Inner Beauty]

I'm not sure what's more perplexing that fact that Hill Harper would ask this woman out or the fact that she turned him down???....because he was taking the bus at the time in New York City...and didn't have a car.

Didn't mean to sound harsh, I do find some Black women attractive, and attraction is subjective, but I do make assessments on looks and character when it comes to other couples, like people do with us, but minus the Hate stares and trolling boards. Remember, I said it's all good, love the one you're with, but Hill, you dodged the bullet bro!!!!!!!

If I remember correctly, I think he was living in L.A. Not having a car back in NY is not the same as out here....lol