for colored girls - Tyler perry. AAWWW hell..black men aint shit movie
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pettyofficerj
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Don't know about brilliant, but it was nice to see blacks represented in an infantry capacity, since most accolades in battles go to the combat regiments. We did more than dress Patton for dinners.
xoxo
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Love Spike, but Miracle was aight.
pettyofficerj
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with the exception of the inspiring 'Tuskegee Airmen,' St Anna was one of a kind.
when's the last time you seen brothas going into tactical land warfare, against the Germans? you were led to believe that white men were the only ones capable, of going up against highly trained Heer squads.
Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan, the Longest Day..Bridge at Ramagen ..none of those movies shown black infantry battles.
But, as I keep saying, don't worry about the past and look at what we're doing now. When you do that, you'll find the motivation to do whatever your heart desires...because like you, there is another African-American in a high position, that went through the same shit you did to get there.
The Dark King
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Right I'm watching I can do bad all by myself and what irks me about Tyler Perry is that black men are always evil and bw need to be strong on their own or find a man of another race. Talk about painting bm in a bad light. Anyone watching this shit would think black people live in the ghetto and are always struggling with drugs domestic abuse and poverty. This shit is depressing.
Again. i feel like this.
the whole stigma of what goes on in Black Culture here in the USA is a very complex problem/issue. but it is a issue and always will be until the end of time.
i really believe it has alot to do with the history of this country. mainly Slavery and everything that occurred after it. there are so many factors. too many actually.
sometimes i wonder what the world would be like if time-traveling aliens came down from another planet and went back in time and stopped Slavery in the states, The Holocaust, massacre of american indians and stopped Apartied in Africa and alot of the stuff that happens in Africa too.
If this has happened we wouldn't all probably be talking to each other right now.
there will always be competitive energy between Black men & women in the USA. there are so many issues that its mind numbing to try to analyze it.
this group of people here try to in this panel here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WAly3vXsqI
when someone like Spike Lee comes along and creates something that uplifts black men but at the same time is brutally honest about black women and black men in the USA its controversial.
when someone like tyler comes along and creates something that uplifts black women but at the same time is brutally honest about black men or a niche of us the film is controversial.
i have to be honest. its an issue. i don't have exact figures or numbers and i'm not a social scientist either. we all see life from the our own perspective and the way we come into the game.
i always say it like this.
"yes men are pigs, we are and we have a history of being pigs, our culture encourages us to be pigs and always will, but women of today have shown that they have the power, creativity, ability, knowledge, boldness, the money and audacity to degrade a mans image just as much and as creatively as a man does with a woman. Sure a woman doesn't have the power to physically degrade a man. a woman doesn't have the power to rape. but she too has the POWER to destroy! She has just as much game as a man does"
every day i see countless examples of men that reinforce the way tyler portrays us in movies. and i also see countless examples of black women that reinforce the streotype about black women.
Me personally i have a strong desire/ opportunity to escape from all of it. in 28 fight now. one day i see myself living in another country that has respect for black men. i plan on being there at age 38.
to put it quite simply, i'm tied of it all really. some of the international ladies (both younger and older) here really inspire me to make this happen.
to me this is the answer to the problem.
lately i have been looking at international movies. and i must say that the grass is somtimes greener on the other side.
the whole stigma of what goes on in Black Culture here in the USA is a very complex problem/issue. but it is a issue and always will be until the end of time.
i really believe it has alot to do with the history of this country. mainly Slavery and everything that occurred after it. there are so many factors. too many actually.
sometimes i wonder what the world would be like if time-traveling aliens came down from another planet and went back in time and stopped Slavery in the states, The Holocaust, massacre of american indians and stopped Apartied in Africa and alot of the stuff that happens in Africa too.
If this has happened we wouldn't all probably be talking to each other right now.
there will always be competitive energy between Black men & women in the USA. there are so many issues that its mind numbing to try to analyze it.
this group of people here try to in this panel here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WAly3vXsqI
when someone like Spike Lee comes along and creates something that uplifts black men but at the same time is brutally honest about black women and black men in the USA its controversial.
when someone like tyler comes along and creates something that uplifts black women but at the same time is brutally honest about black men or a niche of us the film is controversial.
i have to be honest. its an issue. i don't have exact figures or numbers and i'm not a social scientist either. we all see life from the our own perspective and the way we come into the game.
i always say it like this.
"yes men are pigs, we are and we have a history of being pigs, our culture encourages us to be pigs and always will, but women of today have shown that they have the power, creativity, ability, knowledge, boldness, the money and audacity to degrade a mans image just as much and as creatively as a man does with a woman. Sure a woman doesn't have the power to physically degrade a man. a woman doesn't have the power to rape. but she too has the POWER to destroy! She has just as much game as a man does"
every day i see countless examples of men that reinforce the way tyler portrays us in movies. and i also see countless examples of black women that reinforce the streotype about black women.
Me personally i have a strong desire/ opportunity to escape from all of it. in 28 fight now. one day i see myself living in another country that has respect for black men. i plan on being there at age 38.
to put it quite simply, i'm tied of it all really. some of the international ladies (both younger and older) here really inspire me to make this happen.
to me this is the answer to the problem.
lately i have been looking at international movies. and i must say that the grass is somtimes greener on the other side.
LanalusU
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I saw this movie yesterday and I did like it.. VERY well played by the actresses AND actors. IDK, personally I think all movies have it's stereotypes.. and stereotypes are what people want to see, it appeals to emotions more.
BM and BW get "bash" in almost every typer perry movie I've seen to date.. you'd think as a black man he'd want to show a more positive side.
I think this movie was to uplift BW after the negativity of the movie "precious" but can it be done with making BM look bad? Dosen't seem like it these days...
BM and BW get "bash" in almost every typer perry movie I've seen to date.. you'd think as a black man he'd want to show a more positive side.
I think this movie was to uplift BW after the negativity of the movie "precious" but can it be done with making BM look bad? Dosen't seem like it these days...
the black man movie cant be just about bm. it has to appeal to every man meaning that every man that watches can relate.
you can make a bm movie like the pursuit of hapiness, blade, the wood and the best man. Making up one of my own like a man being supportive of his wife while she battles cancer or something like that.
4north1side2
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Miracle at St. Anna was pretty damn forgettable...
The problem is black people refuse to support one and another which is why you guys probably will never such flicks your wishing for with a black lead. Why would a Hollywood studio fund such movies when all black people don't even bother go out to see such movies.
Crabs in a barrel I tell ya.
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4north1side2
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My how quick we forgot about Daddies Little Girls,Why Did I Get Married or his 2 sitcoms on TBS which displays black families in a positive light.
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The Dark King
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Daddy's Little Girl featured a dude who was living in the ghetto trying to win his kids back from a drug dealer. Why Did I Get Married featured some professionals which was cool but the evil black guy who was disrespectful to his fat gf was another example of bm bashing. I doubt an educated dude in his late 30s would go through with tormenting a woman like that. They'd just bounce.
4north1side2
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this is true. the whole purpose of a film is to make $$$.
but St. Anna wasn't forgettable at all it was a uplifting film. but the american audience doesn't want to see this type of film which is why it is forgettable.
A Hood Movie or Black men aint %^&$ Movie are really popular. And of course if you can put a rapper or a R&B singer in there to do a lead or supporting role as the match making hairdresser or the thug boyfriend and you have a real money-maker.
Its a money thing!
Soulthinker
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Some Blacks do support one another. Like I said in past threads Tyler Perry has a base of Black women who will support his movies. No matter what the critics said they will go in droves. I know I saw it for myself and as I left the movie there are many more Black women who wanted to see that movie.
4north1side2
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Spike could of cut out atleast 30 minutes of St.Anna... Out of all my WWII era movies I would rank St.Anna at the bottom.
pettyofficerj
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Saving Private Ryan
Guns of Navaronne
A Bridge Too Far (love robert redford saying 'hail mary' as they crossed)
The Bridge at Ramagen
Tora!Tora!
Thin Red Line
Wind Talkers
Captain Corelli's Mandolin
The Longest Day
The Great Raid
Tuskegee Airmen
dunno...Miracle would have a chance at topping Captain Corelli, if anything. these are all of the films ive seen...now that i listed them, i think i need to watch a few of em again.
Guns of Navaronne
A Bridge Too Far (love robert redford saying 'hail mary' as they crossed)
The Bridge at Ramagen
Tora!Tora!
Thin Red Line
Wind Talkers
Captain Corelli's Mandolin
The Longest Day
The Great Raid
Tuskegee Airmen
dunno...Miracle would have a chance at topping Captain Corelli, if anything. these are all of the films ive seen...now that i listed them, i think i need to watch a few of em again.
Blacktiger2005
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Black history is filled with many interesting stories that never get told. Why is it always garbage like this that seems to capture the imagination of those blacks who view it. What is the black psychology here? I would love to see an epic movie of General Benjamin O Davis, Jr, the first black graduate from West Point (the bullshit this man had to endure) who would have gonee on to command the Tuskegee Fighter Squadrons of the Second World War. What an inspiration that would be for the young black men of today. Instead what we get is shit like this movie that offers NOTHING of substance.
pettyofficerj
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like i said in an earlier post, i like going to wikipedia or whatever, and looking up current and past African-American commanders. Unlike other areas, the military has really been difficult. Not only would you have to endure racism, you were also under contractual obligation. It wasn't like a regular gig, where you could just 'leave' if you didn't like the place. You had to stick it out, in the face of everything under the sun. And some of them became generals later on.
:smt023
As for West Point, I was considering the Naval Academy in high school. I was prepared to lobby my case to the PA senators and everything. One of my older uncles started going on about how racist that place was, and I kinda just said the hell with it. Mind you, Im no stranger to racism, going through that a good portion of my life. But he started saying the racism there, was beyond the shit i went through in the 7th grade. Dont know how true that was in 2000, but it reminded me of that West Point movie, where one of the black cadets was beaten and tortured by a group of white guys. It was like hazing on a whole other level.
Blacktiger2005
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like i said in an earlier post, i like going to wikipedia or whatever, and looking up current and past African-American commanders. Unlike other areas, the military has really been difficult. Not only would you have to endure racism, you were also under contractual obligation. It wasn't like a regular gig, where you could just 'leave' if you didn't like the place. You had to stick it out, in the face of everything under the sun. And some of them became generals later on.
:smt023
As for West Point, I was considering the Naval Academy in high school. I was prepared to lobby my case to the PA senators and everything. One of my older uncles started going on about how racist that place was, and I kinda just said the hell with it. Mind you, Im no stranger to racism, going through that a good portion of my life. But he started saying the racism there, was beyond the shit i went through in the 7th grade. Dont know how true that was in 2000, but it reminded me of that West Point movie, where one of the black cadets was beaten and tortured by a group of white guys. It was like hazing on a whole other level.
You know something Mr. PettyOfficerJ when I watch inspiring movies of past generations, they leave you with something that sticks with you, of inspiration of a character who overcomes all odds. Those movies left a message, an imprint so to speak on your thought process. This is something I do not see today. The black military leaders of earlier times are of great interest to me as well. Imagine what it must have been like to have endured in those segregationist times. Imagine being treated like a sub-human and knowing that you are as good as any white person or better, yet you were deemed inferior. I wish there were movies today that capture what it really was like to live in those times. Let's take it a step further, what it was like to fall in love with a white woman in those times (something we take for granted today) with the threat of death over your head, especially in the South. So much material yet all we get is angry black women, emasculated black men, feminized black men, dope addicts and pimps. No wonder the black man see no value in his worth to history.
Tony Soprano
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I'm glad they call it black friday and not "for colored girls" friday like Tyler Perry wanted.