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when you read what q stated bout fatherless homes and the bw then you get my position.
bm want to abdicate their responsibilty in how these women came to be.
then turn around ask why are they like that?
thats dumb. you have to be a present father in order for her to be halfway rite. the father is the first relationship a woman have.

That is the dumbest thing you've said so far. So where does a responsibility for your own sour ass behavior come in? If I didn't have a father at home would I be absolved from being college educated and finding a decent job? Would I have your permission to act the fool in the streets and be in and out of jail because my dad wasn't around?
Being kind and decent has absolutely nothing to do with having a father or not.
 
That is the dumbest thing you've said so far. So where does a responsibility for your own sour ass behavior come in? If I didn't have a father at home would I be absolved from being college educated and finding a decent job? Would I have your permission to act the fool in the streets and be in and out of jail because my dad wasn't around?
Being kind and decent has absolutely nothing to do with having a father or not.

Family status is one among many factors that can influence outcomes. So is the quality of the parents you have, economics, etc. There are many two-parent families that are sheer hell as well. These things can influence results, but we cannot claim them as justification, b/c as you said, at the end of the day, we are ultimately responsible for ourselves. But that doesn't mean we should not concern ourselves with providing the best possible set of influences.
 
Family status is one among many factors that can influence outcomes. So is the quality of the parents you have, economics, etc. There are many two-parent families that are sheer hell as well. These things can influence results, but we cannot claim them as justification, b/c as you said, at the end of the day, we are ultimately responsible for ourselves. But that doesn't mean we should not concern ourselves with providing the best possible set of influences.

true but how long to you get use your father as a reason to be a shitty human being? Shit I know people with both parents who are shitty people, shitty people use whatever excuse necessary to be mean and fucked up. It ultimately is a choice at some point. Unlike employment and education its 100% internal.
 
true but how long to you get use your father as a reason to be a shitty human being? Shit I know people with both parents who are shitty people, shitty people use whatever excuse necessary to be mean and fucked up. It ultimately is a choice at some point. Unlike employment and education its 100% internal.

No doubt. No matter how shitty the past was, you can't rely on that to justify being shitty tomorrow.
 
That is the dumbest thing you've said so far. So where does a responsibility for your own sour ass behavior come in? If I didn't have a father at home would I be absolved from being college educated and finding a decent job? Would I have your permission to act the fool in the streets and be in and out of jail because my dad wasn't around?
Being kind and decent has absolutely nothing to do with having a father or not.

Sistagirl mantra for 40 years is "I don't need a man."

BW grow up without a father and it's automatically the man's fault.

Alrighty then.
 
true but how long to you get use your father as a reason to be a shitty human being? Shit I know people with both parents who are shitty people, shitty people use whatever excuse necessary to be mean and fucked up. It ultimately is a choice at some point. Unlike employment and education its 100% internal.

lets see how long. the bw who comes from a broken home meets you who believe that you dont need to take care of a kid that you help bring in the world...how long will she hold on to that.

she was abandoned once then you abandon her like her dad did...but this time you abandoned her with a kid.

you cool with that right?
 
lets see how long. the bw who comes from a broken home meets you who believe that you dont need to take care of a kid that you help bring in the world...how long will she hold on to that.

she was abandoned once then you abandon her like her dad did...but this time you abandoned her with a kid.

you cool with that right?

Abandoned who? Wtf are you talking about? I don't have any kids. Guilty conscience fam? Work that out with your baby's mama, stop projecting.
And I can't abandon anyone who chooses to have a kid against my will, they make their choices all on their own. If I wanted to keep the kid tough titties because it's all her choice. If you have 100% of the choice then shouldn't you have 100% of the responsibility?
 
Abandoned who? Wtf are you talking about? I don't have any kids. Guilty conscience fam? Work that out with your baby's mama, stop projecting.
And I can't abandon anyone who chooses to have a kid against my will, they make their choices all on their own. If I wanted to keep the kid tough titties because it's all her choice. If you have 100% of the choice then shouldn't you have 100% of the responsibility?

you are gonna play dumb now?

you know good and well you said you shouldnt be responsible for getting a woman preggy?

typical ....guys dont want to be held accountable for crap but cry scape goat when they get called out.
my daughter and i are great. thanks. lol
 
you are gonna play dumb now?

you know good and well you said you shouldnt be responsible for getting a woman preggy?

typical ....guys dont want to be held accountable for crap but cry scape goat when they get called out.
my daughter and i are great. thanks. lol

Goodlove you're embarassing yourself kid. I never said that. One more time I don't believe in a scenario where I have zero choice in the outcome should I be at be responsible for said outcome. If the kid is already here and/or it was a mutual decision to have the kid I fully intend to support my child. Clear enough for you?
 
I thought it was about time I actually started a thread and this is something Ive always wondered about.

Everyone knows the saying that once you go black you dont go back and in the case of some white women I think thats definately true. But do some black men have similar feelings about white women.

Ive known a few black guys who say they are not attracted to black women anymore or at the very lease prefer white women over black. But Ive never really been sure if that’s true or if they were just saying it.

Are there an black guys on here who wouldn’t date a black women anymore?

It depends entirely on the woman. I love strong confident women that still allow me to be manly, take control and like dominate at times. White women seem to make me a lot happier
 
I'm curious as to why you even care? Even if a man won't leave you for a black woman there are still plenty of white women he could leave you for.
It's the superiority complex. It's not enough that they are glorified above Black women in every aspect of society and media, they must also feel they have the power to turn Black women's natural counterparts against them. Without the love and attention from Black men, what do Black women really have?
 
Your right about the fact that its not actually important.

Its something Ive been told in the past and Ive always wondered if its true or if they were just saying it.

Its more about if the guys were being honest with me or not.

It's a tribal thing, very few men with pride will view outside women, women who come from the seed of another tribe or race of men, as being innately superior to that which comes from him and men like him.
Black men are not only the creators of Black women, but they are in turn created by Black women. So how much pride can a man have if he suggests the women created by Anglo Saxon men are superior or can turn him away from his own kind?
 
It's a tribal thing, very few men with pride will view outside women, women who come from the seed of another tribe or race of men, as being innately superior to that which comes from him and men like him.
Black men are not only the creators of Black women, but they are in turn created by Black women. So how much pride can a man have if he suggests the women created by Anglo Saxon men are superior or can turn him away from his own kind?
Why are you here? To blame your failures with men on WW? To try to say that bm owe you a date just because you are black?
 
It's a tribal thing, very few men with pride will view outside women, women who come from the seed of another tribe or race of men, as being innately superior to that which comes from him and men like him.
Black men are not only the creators of Black women, but they are in turn created by Black women. So how much pride can a man have if he suggests the women created by Anglo Saxon men are superior or can turn him away from his own kind?

Do you ever stop telling Black men et al., how to think and what to do?
From birth to death, Black men are harangued by damn near everybody, damn near every day.
Bore off already and let them BE.THEM.
 
...that, and we have daddy issues, or we want to be a rebel, or can't get hot white guys because we're too old/fat/ugly...

:smt120

I never heard so many stupid reasons for why WW date BM until I joined this forum.
I don't know if it's what you girls are eating or something in the water, but White women are birthing far more girls than boys. In the USA there are currently 4 million more available WW, than WM. Add to that White men's enduring love for Asian women... I believe these are big reason why white women have "suddenly" become open to Black men. Though you girls still have the lowest IR percentages of any women in the USA, Canada and UK. White men complain, but white women are by far the most racially loyal women on the planet. Asian men have something to complain about and Back women date out 50% more than white women do.
 
Do I even have to dignify this horseshit with a response?
The black community is mainly matriarchal in this country meaning its usually lead by and designed for female dominance. Case in point black magazines like Essence or Ebony commonly make it point to question what it means for the "race" when black men step out but NEVER make a peep when black women do the same. In fact they are usually celebrated because in this racial hierarchy game gaining the affections of a non black person really means you've arrived. And truth be told bm rarely if ever give two shits who bw end up with because we as a culture in this country don't take ownership of our women. The racial societal make up doesn't allow it, so as far as the black community is concerned its a woman's world. Good try though

I've seen and heard some venomous hatred from BM, aimed at BW in IR. The term Bed Wench comes to mind, followed by death threats.
 
Differ all you want, that's a stretch.

Observing that wm/bw often - yes often - try to antagonize bm when they're out and about says nothing about why they pair up in the first place.

That part of it is exactly none of my business.

People picking on me because I "catch their eye" sadly becomes my business.

Fact is, wm/bm combos often engage in "the antics" and it doesn't take a whole lot of insight to imagine that it goes on a lot, even if you're not the target of it. Both groups have something to prove, societal license to do their dirt, a history of hating on bm even when they're not doing it paired up, and would absolutely love for bm to appear to all eyes to be rabidly against their unions

Can't speak for the whole u.s. of a., but that's big in the ny/tri-state area.

It's just another ugly part of the race thing that's taboo for bm to mention. You're whining (or is it jealous? maybe "hypocritical"?) if you do.

But anyway, my initial point on that particular subject was in response to your list of what bw go through when they date white men. My point was:

Most bw who pair up with wm carry themselves more like they WANT people to care about it than the opposite. (yep - just like in the article that bw wrote about how she was "too dark" for bm when she was young and now wants to make ppl's "heads explode" now that she can finally date white men with dignity :roll:)

That chick in the article is not an outlier. Unfortunately.


My other point was:

To draw an equivalency betw societal response to bm/ww pairings to those of wm/bw pairings at any time in the history of this country is ridiculous and ignores sexual politics that have been going on since before there were even humans walking the planet. To suggest bw/wm experience opposition on the order that bw/ww experience isn't worth hearing

... but that's neither here nor there. Less hate still doesn't make hating on bw/wm okay. That being said, to the extent that women manage to leave me out of their relationships, what they go through (or don't) is really none of my business. It would be nice, however, to not be the "enemy" fools bond over hating on.

I guess that day will come as bw/wm pairings become less new and more normal.

Still not going to carry around any illusions about them tho. Based on my experiences, I've gone from straight up naivety to seeing them as just another part of the race thing. But how can a bm who dates ww say such a thing? Walk in my shoes for a decade or two

And this is a bm who has 2 sisters who were involved with wm (one current) and an ex-gf who's ex before me was white. I have zero issue with wm/bw pairings per se. What I don't like is being targeted and trying to ignore shit, however slight. I want to enjoy being me, not have my good qualities -- being a tall, strong, presentable bm -- end up maladaptive because they make me "catch the eye" of assholes.

It's a buzz kill. Men don't like being picked on by other men, not even dirty looks, especially not men walking with women. And it's extreeeemely ugly -- even monkeyish -- for bw to participate in that stuff. I'm tempted to say you'd have to be a bm to "get" the disgust, but I'd bet bw and wm understand it too, which is why it goes on. They want to make ppl's "heads explode" :roll:

But anyway, back on topic:

WW are becoming a much better match for decent bm than any other kind of women. They're trending in the direction of warming to us, while bw are arguably trending in the opposite direction. So --to stay on topic -- "once you go white" ... is probably coming true for lots of bm, just based on social trends.

All it takes is one or two good experiences to make ir dating simply "normal" for an individual and dating "your own" as unenticing as dating a sibling. The social trends are the catalyst
But if you feel now that WW are your natural counterpart and not Black women, how can anything Black women do make your head explode or annoy you?
 
Since when aren't bw not vocal? Come on really?
And lets be fair and honest here ww don't feel the same type of ownership and entitlement to their men like bw do to theirs. As a group there isn't a fear that all the good wm are going to flock to more the acceptable standard of beauty since ww currently occupy that space. Sometimes your posts sound delusional as if you are some how trying to compete for who has it worst. The truth is, especially amongst this crowd, the idea of bm and ww hating on a bw/wm sounds ridiculous. I've yet to see even the slightest acknowledgment of what you're talking about.
Bm generally could care less about who bw date, we don't take ownership of women in our matriarchal culture and as for ww their biggest competition for wm are Asians, then hispanic women, then maybe bw but bw aren't seen as a threat especially since many try to have white features like long hair and get nose jobs.

I know of Black men who beat their mother's white boyfriend and threw him out the house, simply for being white and daring to love their mother. I often see BM attacking BW, for having IR, they also call these BW's biracial children mutts and hybrids. Maybe you hang with Bm who share your deep love for WW, so they have no dog in the fight. But the majority of Black men seek BW for relationships especially BM who want Black children, these men certainly don't like WM getting with BW. Not all, but it seems to be a growing minority of BM use phrases like Bed Wench, Ghetto Gagger and slave ho, regularly used against BW in IR.
Youtube is filled with this poison from BM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYDwZvC1cFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJcOARqc5uQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5v-5YhPau4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9d9w1e9-q0
 
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