Is it difficult to build a relationship with a Swedish girl?

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Before we begin.

Language, language...



I can't see the connection between these two sentences.

Could you please fill in the gap?

To the uninitiated it looks like a non-sequiter.

It seems that you incorrectly distilled my comments about behaviour into the single term "crime". My comments were far broader than that.

I don't know the details of Swedish Asylum but in general broad terms Asylum works in the same manner in the jus sanguinis based citizenship countries in Western Europe (EU) i.e. birth confers no automatic right of citizenship but residents are able to apply for citizenship after a number of qualifying years or when reaching adulthood. I have lived in Germany for more than 10 years and worked / lived in a number of other EU countries where this is also the case. The shift away from single citizenship / blood rights to a jus soli based citizenship is happening across the EU. I made no assumptions about the acquisition of citizenship.

In any case interaction takes place irrespective of whether they are residents with indefinite leave of stay or citizens.

Please clarify exactly what role citizenship plays and in particular how it affects what I posted.



Again. I'm not sure what the first two sentences have to do with each other.

I made no assumptions about citizenship. Countries like the UK, US are exceptions rather than the rule.

Sweden has one of the highest rates of immigration in the EU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden#Immigration

Much higher than traditional immigration/colonial countries like France or
the UK.

There has been a general political shift to the right (of varying degrees) across Europe. A short google will confirm that.

I am not sure how to qualify to what degree menfolk in Sweden resent foreigners dating their women. The ones who resent "foreigners taking their women" may be entitled but they exist. I was drawing a comparison where back in the period when I used to visit Sweden there was little to no mention of issues such as immigration and little to no resentment that I saw or read about wrt them having issues of mixing with foreigners. I was welcomed by all back then and I would not expect the same to happen at present.

If anything I was a curio and was met with interest or inquisitiveness. Never resentment. There was an innocence wrt to the Swedish understanding and expectations of foreigners which seems to have been lost.



As has been noted in other threads "black developed world/US culture" is in much of the EU synonymous with US ghetto culture. This means that in numbers terms women who have a liking for black guys tend to be those who are into that type of culture and have ideals, educational standards and behaviour commensurate with that set of values.

My comments were about meeting "nice girls" i.e. women who would shy away from rather than be attracted to that type of image.

What I meant was that the relatively open minded nature of Swedish women and their penchant for expressing opinion and talking means that someone who is able to engage them on an intellectual level should be able to gain traction with women who (on balance) would otherwise not (a-priori) think of dating a black guy.



The equation is thus.

Without the poor there can be no rich.

Living standards are buoyed (or maintained) by having local cheap labor.

After all money is just a claim on the labor (directly or indirectly) or possessions or bodies of others.

The cheaper (and more plentiful) these things are the better your economic standard of living.

Ergo (in the absence of near true AI, advanced robotics and boundless energy) rich (societies) NEED the poor.

It's a problem across much of Europe as to maintain living standards new serfs are needed at the bottom of the labor pyramid BUT at the same time people do not want the high levels of immigration that comes with it. As economic realities tend to trump ideals if you bring the cheap labor in and set the economic framework accordingly then they will find employment.
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A lot of people do not really bother applying for citizenship, because mainly you can get the same exact benefits of citizenship with permanent residency. So plenty of 2nd generations immigrants are de facto considered foreigners.

Also I hate to break it to you, but there was active Nazi parties in Sweden before there even was ever any non european immigrants in Sweden. Also as for ignorant entitled men being jealous of their women folk being taken. In the 80s one of the propaganda slogans used by the Bevara Sverige Svenskt (Keep Sweden Swedish.) movement that shifted to the modern Swedish democrats was the following.

"Låt inte din dotter bli en negerleksak" (Let not your daughter be a negroe's toy.)

So there were plenty of racists in the 90s in Sweden even if you were not aware of them. Honestly the internet just gave them an outlet. Swedes are not having enough kids, and needs workers to pay the social security. I just find it odd you, and many others blame immigrants as the problem, and not the fact the society, and the system is set up in a way that ends with immigrants being unemployed, and often in ghettos.
















wwwwww said:
p.s. NOT just crime.

1. PISA

http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/23/42/93/11ed5f6d.pdf

http://www.thelocal.se/20140401/sweden-takes-another-tumble-in-pisa-school-rankings (for the comments more than anything else).

2. Lagom

lack of respect for it.

3. Riots (NOT crime per-se)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ns-dreams-of-perfect-society-up-in-smoke.html

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and resentment is rising..

http://www.euronews.com/2014/05/21/racist-attacks-on-immigrants-on-the-rise-in-sweden/
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So Sweden scores lower on the PISA, and idiots blame just immigrants, and their kids? Without factoring the other changes in Sweden's education system like the privatization of the educational system.

The riots in Stockholm were sparked by police shooting an old man. Its sad, but rioting was what caused people to pay attention to the fact there were ghettos in Sweden. Why not question why the system is set up in a way that causes the existence of ghetto's? Instead the solution of the far right is to blame the brown people for societies problems.


Regardless crime in Sweden is still absurdly low.
 
A few insidents of racism I had encountered in Sweden was when I went to a club where soul music was played. They used the excuse that I was drunk which I had not. I did get in later however. Another time some years later that happened to me at a different establishment,however, I did get in thanks to some people who were with me. If I was alone I would not got a chance.
 
MixedCalifornian said:
A lot of people do not really bother applying for citizenship, because mainly you can get the same exact benefits of citizenship with permanent residency. So plenty of 2nd generations immigrants are de facto considered foreigners.

Also I hate to break it to you, but there was active Nazi parties in Sweden before there even was ever any non european immigrants in Sweden. Also as for ignorant entitled men being jealous of their women folk being taken. In the 80s one of the propaganda slogans used by the Bevara Sverige Svenskt (Keep Sweden Swedish.) movement that shifted to the modern Swedish democrats was the following.

"Låt inte din dotter bli en negerleksak" (Let not your daughter be a negroe's toy.)

So there were plenty of racists in the 90s in Sweden even if you were not aware of them. Honestly the internet just gave them an outlet. Swedes are not having enough kids, and needs workers to pay the social security. I just find it odd you, and many others blame immigrants as the problem, and not the fact the society, and the system is set up in a way that ends with immigrants being unemployed, and often in ghettos.

So Sweden scores lower on the PISA, and idiots blame just immigrants, and their kids? Without factoring the other changes in Sweden's education system like the privatization of the educational system.

The riots in Stockholm were sparked by police shooting an old man. Its sad, but rioting was what caused people to pay attention to the fact there were ghettos in Sweden. Why not question why the system is set up in a way that causes the existence of ghetto's? Instead the solution of the far right is to blame the brown people for societies problems.

Regardless crime in Sweden is still absurdly low.
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I think you missed the salient points in my post.

1. What difference does citizenship make? i.e. why did you bring it up in reference to my original post in the first place? I don't think that it has any relevance.

2. I said that the anti-immigrant feeling is worse. Particularly among average (not extreme Swedes). There are small extreme right-wing parties in most European nations and have been for a while. You would have been harder pressed to encounter a right-winger in the past. The difference now is that they are gaining more traction amongst swathes of the population which would have rejected them as being too radical in the past. The surge in popularity is in the real world NOT just online which is proof positive that they are now more popular than in the past.

Yes. Surveys seem to suggest a recent improvement but the numbers against immigration are extremely high.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_invandringspolitik#SOM-institutet (etc).

Nearly 50% think there are too many immigrants.

3. Re PISA. If you read both links you would note that immigrants under-perform the "natives" and their performance has deteriorated to a greater degree. For whatever reasons.

4. You ignored the issue of what is seen as a lack of respect, understanding and application of "Lagom" which is central to the fundamental structure of Swedish society.

5. The riots were but a single example. Ja kan hitta flera till om du vill. Jag tror att ja tvingas inte gora det for att bevisa punkten. (keybd!)

6. Unfortunately immigrants (as a group) do contribute to their own problems (and solutions). It's the case in Sweden, Germany, the UK, the USA etc etc. It's in large part to do with the human developmental process (and other additional factors of course). Early rearing has corresponding physical effects as well. This contributes significantly to the broad stratification of achievement levels of the differing immigrant populations.

I am in Ethiopia at the moment. You cannot take someone who has been socialized in Ethiopia, plonk them in the middle of Swedish society and expect them in the near term to outperform (in social terms) the average Swede. It ain't gonna happen. They have been "trained" as humans to behave and interact in a different way. Heck it's hard enough with someone from the same country making the move from let's say a village to a city.

That's not to absolve them of blame though. There is a tendency for some groups to coalesce around anti-social cultural norms (gangs etc) whereas some others do not.

This is however not the same thing though as blaming brown people for ("all of") society's problems.

I'm not sure that this is the thread for that conversation.

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My original point was that a non-ghetto black guy can circumvent all of the above and meet a nice normal girl for the reasons that I stated in my previous posts. I think this is particularly true of Sweden vs. some other European countries due to the ingrained liberal streak and the penchant Swedes have for cerebral (opinionated) pursuits. IMO the more intellectual, atomized or individual a population is the higher the chance there is for a black man to succeed there despite prevailing anti-immigrant feelings.
 
I had a Kosovar Albanian who grew up in Sweden. I propositioned marriage to her for reasons of economics and citizenship (I'm military) but she ended up going back home and we subsequently ended our correspondence. I really liked the gal and I would have committed to her and had children but alas, it wasn't meant to be:(
 
Alot of Swedes and other Scandi types come here to Hawaii. They're pretty friendly and open for hookups but that's due to the fact that they're on vacation. The Swede gals sure are fine though.
 
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Hawaii brings a lot of hot women from the world. To sleep with one while they are on holiday is another. GChoy,at least you got one whom you dated. A Swedish woman don't had to be tall and blonde. There are some who have along with the big chests,they do have the booty.
 
Soulthinker said:
Hawaii brings a lot of hot women from the world. To sleep with one while they are on holiday is another. GChoy,at least you got one whom you dated. A Swedish woman don't had to be tall and blonde. There are some who have along with the big chests,they do have the booty.
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Right you are. The "indigenous" Swede ladies, have superior genetics when compared to the average American white women. Good diet and healthcare go a long way.
 
wwwwww said:
What I meant was that the relatively open minded nature of Swedish women and their penchant for expressing opinion and talking means that someone who is able to engage them on an intellectual level should be able to gain traction with women who (on balance) would otherwise not (a-priori) think of dating a black guy.
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just being out here in the world, when i thought i had shit figured out, i am taken aback by something new everyday. they (women) may be interested but there are reasons outside the ordinary as to why they haven't made moves. communication trumps, my dude!

this is the experience i have with swedish women, shit with many european women. i have a lot of european women friends here in beijing. and, befriended a lot while living in prague.

this swedish woman i used to work with back in the day, was very engaging and could express herself very well. she made it no secret what she wanted, liked, etc. she had no qualms stating that she was attracted to black men and was prepared to explain why. what mad her so rad was that she didn't give a shit about losing face based on her basic views and ideas (disclaimer: she wasn't ever rude or disrespectful). i could conclude that this behavior was not some trendy, cool thing to do - she has always been a force to be reckoned with.

a woman like this, you truly have to be able to like you said engage them on a deeper and an intellectual level. how many cats could look in the mirror and truly say they are truly doing these? and not talking about quoting thoreau, chekov, or any other obscure literature. just keeping things interesting. same thing applies with women.

there are a lot of open women in europe that are interested in dudes that are really about something. they don't be tripping on skin color. the ones that aren't fuck it, charge it to the game! to reiterate, there are many that are.
 
I live in so small place we don't have any blacks here, but this is rare, most places have blacks and it is all normal. My cousin has told me that Swedish girls like black men, and black girls too. She is lesbian so she should know. :)
 
Eija said:
I live in so small place we don't have any blacks here, but this is rare, most places have blacks and it is all normal. My cousin has told me that Swedish girls like black men, and black girls too. She is lesbian so she should know. :)
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True indeed. I hope you are able to go to Stockholm, Goteborg,or Oslo if your town is near there.
 
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