KID ROCK versus the NAACP

[pettyofficerj]

Oh, he has the Confederate flag so me must be racist huh?

Even though he has a black kid and is good friends with Rev Run. I'm not gonna even get started on the fact that not only does he have black performers on stage with him but he's had black people rap on his albums.

I'd love to see the idiots from this thread come and speak on this matter.
http://whitewomenblackmen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16938&highlight=confederate


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Come on, you guys are experts on Confederate flags and according to you this makes Kid Rock ignorant and racist.
I just gave my supportive evidence to the fact that he's not racist, now can you dispute any of that?




hahahahahahahhahaha dorks.

damn son

 

[flaminghetero]

I don't agree. Don't get me wrong. I do not like the flag and honestly when I see someone hanging it or wearing it I have a very hard time not assuming they are racist. But I know for fact that not everyone that has it is. I'm southern so my whole life I was taught the flag simply meant pride in the south. I was not even aware of racist implication until it was in the news a long time ago b/c they were removing it from the state capital and such. Then the flag sprang up everywhere. Many other people like me are raised the same. I remember a good many years ago my mom had the flag b/c someone had given it to her and I explained to her that it was offensive. She doesn't get it but she got rid of it. But shoot I still see her with the occasional old dixie shirt on. And shoot I see that on alot of my family members clothing. One family member is a ww that dated bm aswell. I call it ignorance. People don't know any better and when they do they don't get it so they continue to wear it. But it don't mean they are racist.
With that said though some people do wear it to be racist and they very well mean it. Last year I was working for the census when I went to a house that had a big confed flag hanging in the back and then when I ask the guy his race he said were n__. Then said I'm j/k. My face fell to the floor. I never worked so fast to get the hell out of a place in my life. Dude I'm white but I had a fear like no other come over me and I was thinking glad it was me that ended up there and not one of the black ladies I worked with. Those MF looked crazy.

I just feel it's disrespectful b/c even if a person doesn't view as racist it's still taken way so to wearing it anyway is disrespectful. When you have kids that are part black and yet still wear it, it's being disrespectful to them IMO.

OK then...not every one with a nazi flag is racist...Cool.

Glad we agree.

 

[Nico]

The. Confederate. Flag. Is. Still. Considered. Racist. Because. The. Majority.

Ah there we go, stopped right there.


You said that the Majority of people who rep this flag do so for racist purposes.
That means that there are a some people(the minority) who rep this flag for non-racist reasons.


That being said you can't assume that anyone who has this flag is racist, now can you?

That being said the NAACP can't call Kid Rock racist for having this flag, now can they?

 

[flaminghetero]

Only a damn simple minded trust fund baby would buy into all the bullshit that has been built out over the decades to legitimize the Confederate Flag as not being a racist symbol. Oh wait....the little Black boy in White face is a trust fund baby....

:smt045

 

[xoxo]

The. Confederate. Flag. Is. Still. Considered. Racist. Because. The. Majority. Of. People. Who. Rep. It. Still. Rep. It. For That. Reason. Despite. The. Efforts. That. Have. Been. Taken. To. Turn. It. Into. A. Symbol. Of. Southern. Pride. Which. Was. Actually. Brought. About. To. Keep. The. Conferedate. Flag. Alive. Despite. It's. Original. And. True. Meaning.

It. Was. Resurrected. In. The. 1950's. By. Southern. Whites. Who. Opposed. The. Early. Civil. Rights. Movement. Because. Of. The. Very. Racist. Connotations. That. It. Held. To. Be. A. Symbol. In. Order. To. Intimidate. Black. People. At. The. Time. Because. All. Black. People. Then. Knew. What. The. Confederate. Flag. Stood. For. In. All. It's. Glory.

Strong argument, nico! Since its resurgence was in the 50's and anti civil rights, at what point did the Flag lose its semblance?

 

[flaminghetero]

Let's not compare it with the nazi flag, which is more charged. No performer would think about wearing it on stage, no one is that bold or ignorant. Let's not bring up an ADL vs NAACP argument either, or who goes harder against such things. The Nazi Flag is much more charged with negativity than the confederate flag, for many reasons.

Bullshit.

 

[Nico]

Strong argument, nico! Since its resurgence was in the 50's and anti civil rights, at what point did the Flag lose its semblance?

Probably around the same time black people started calling each other "niggas" and started being "hip and cool".

 

[xoxo]

Yes of course it's definitely more charged. That's a given. That wasn't my point at all. My point was that - both flags are representative of hatred, not the levels of each one. As a majority/collective (not getting into the minority of people who don't see anything wrong with the Confederate flag), we look at these flags as in symbolic in nature and they each have negative connotation that goes along with it/them.

The confederate flag has no impact on me, none! I'm not sure if it's because I grew up in the north or didn't experience that level of racism. The comparison was my own, if a mofo drives by or is wearing a confederate flag . If someone does the same with a Nazi flag :smt107

 

[flaminghetero]

Probably around the same time black people started calling each other "niggas" and started being "hip and cool".

black people have called each other niggas longer than you've been alive white boy.

 

[flaminghetero]

The confederate flag has no impact on me, none! I'm no sure if it's because I grew up in the north or didn't experience that level of racism. The comparison was my own, if a mofo drives by or is wearing a confederate flag . If someone does the same with a Nazi flag :smt107

 

[xoxo]

Bullshit.

Really? personally, you would have the same reaction to someone displaying a nazi flag vs a confederate one?

Probably around the same time black people started calling each other "niggas" and started being "hip and cool".

Well that word does bother me and some other Black folks, but that's an interesting argument if you can make it.

 

[Nico]

black people have called each other niggas longer than you've been alive white boy.

I'm sorry, was that suppose to be some sort of insult?


Black people had afro's longer then I've been alive........am I suppose to be sad about that or something?

 

[flaminghetero]

Really? personally, you would have the same reaction to someone displaying a nazi flag vs a confederate one?



Well that word does bother me and some other Black folks, but that's an interesting argument if you can make it.

Hell yeah...I don't know where your head is on this one.

You won't see many nazis and confederates at odds with one another.

 

[Inner Beauty]

The confederate flag has no impact on me, none! I'm no sure if it's because I grew up in the north or didn't experience that level of racism. The comparison was my own, if a mofo drives by or is wearing a confederate flag . If someone does the same with a Nazi flag :smt107

Not being from the South myself and being that I'm Jewish and was raised around Black folks and date BM, both flags are both offensive to me. The Nazi flag cause it represents both Jews and Blacks and our horrible histories and that flag is symbolic of those tragic times and the Confederate flag cause of slavery and the sensitive nature that it's connected to.

 

[xoxo]

I'm sorry, was that suppose to be some sort of insult?


Black people had afro's longer then I've been alive........am I suppose to be sad about that or something?

No, he's saying the n-word usage among Black ppl didn't start with hiphop......

 

[Nico]

Really? personally, you would have the same reaction to someone displaying a nazi flag vs a confederate one?



Well that word does bother me and some other Black folks, but that's an interesting argument if you can make it.

I've already made my argument, symbols and words change.


Imagine of a black person 200 years ago would've called another one "Nigga". Would he have looked stupid? Yes.....
Would he look stupid now? No....(well that's debatable)

Imagine if a guy 200 years ago had a Swastika sign and was campaigning for peace.
Would he have looked stupid? No.....
Would he look stupid now? Yes......


Just as the "N" word and Swastika can change, the confederate flag can change...

 

[xoxo]

Hell yeah...I don't know where your head is on this one.

You won't see many nazis and confederates at odds with one another.

That's true, but having seen those flags displayed when I'm in the south, it doesn't hit me emotionally.

Not being from the South myself and being that I'm Jewish and was raised around Black folks and date BM, both flags are both offensive to me. The Nazi flag cause it represents both Jews and Blacks and our horrible histories and that flag is symbolic of those tragic times and the Confederate flag cause of slavery and the sensitive nature that it's connected to.

Well, I certainly don't buy the argument that the ppl who display it are doing it for southern culture. I usually believe they are racists.

 

[pettyofficerj]

I'm sorry, was that suppose to be some sort of insult?


Black people had afro's longer then I've been alive........am I suppose to be sad about that or something?

flaminghetero has an obsession with race, in case you didnt notice

in his mind, calling someone 'white boy' is a good jab:smt071



yet he's surrounded by white girls and women on the forums....i dont think people think before they write half the gibberish they do

 

[flaminghetero]

Not being from the South myself and being that I'm Jewish and was raised around Black folks and date BM, both flags are both offensive to me. The Nazi flag cause it represents both Jews and Blacks and our horrible histories and that flag is symbolic of those tragic times and the Confederate flag cause of slavery and the sensitive nature that it's connected to.

I don't like the idea that a flag that insults Black people is damn near tolerated...but a flag that insults jews isn't.

Cheryl Crow wore some confederate flag pants on one of her shitty videos...her ass would be flipping burgers if those were nazi pants.

Jimi Hendrix used to blow his nose into a confederate handkerchief just to pissed rednecks off.

 

[Nico]

flaminghetero has an obsession with race, in case you didnt notice

in his mind, calling someone 'white boy' is a good jab:smt071

Oh ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices this guy is an idiot.


Now that I know his dumbness was common knowledge I'll stop responding to him.