Kobe Bryant Dies in Helicopter Crash

Bliss said:
I can't help but think you were young when that went down. It was as big a scandal as Tiger. There might not have been Facebook and Twitter, but there sure were Forums, AOL/Yahoo chatrooms, the internet, et al. And the media's undivided attention on him.

But yeah, he did get a pass as a Superstar athlete, you're right, the #metoo movement has a strong element of sympathy which didn't exist back then. It was very much he said / she said and definitely no "I believe her" or "all women should be believed". So you do make a valid point.
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I was a H.S. Freshman during that 2003-2004 NBA season that Kobe was regularly going to court for his rape case. By than I was a sports fans who regularly watched ESPN/FSN & listened to sports radio, so I remember the scandal. NO WAY did Kobe get the same vitriol & criticism that Michael Vick got for his dog fighting scandal. I feel like Tiger Woods got more criticism for his "Harem of sidechicks & groupies" scandal than Kobe got for his rape case.

The fact that Kobe's rape scandal didn't affect Kobe on the court tells you how easy they went on Kobe compared to other athlete's scandals. That would never happen nowadays.
 
Bliss said:
Well that didn't take long, although it's been said for years about her and his money. There was a lot of backlash when she filed for divorce a second time and one of his reconciliation gifts included buying her mother a house - there was a lot of resentment about that. SMH.

They use that same crap complaint with Kanye and Kim, ignoring both Vanessa and Kim's kids are half black.
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qaz1 said:
He got resentment for buying his family member a house??? People stay tripping SMH
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Bliss said:
Yeah. They felt like Vanessa and her mother were in cahoots to scam him.

But don't forget his parents also resented her, they felt like he was too young to get married... his father still did not speak to him as recently as last year, so can't even imagine what he's going through tonight ..not sure if his mom started speaking to him again but they didn't go to their son's wedding. Very sad.

Vanessa has more than paid (earned?) her dues, she went through a lot with him, despite people saying women will put up with a lot of side-shit when their man is Rich n famous.
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Wow, I didn't know them details. By the time I started following the NBA, I think Kobe & Vanessa were already married, so I missed backstory about their relationship.
 
Bliss said:
Yeah. They felt like Vanessa and her mother were in cahoots to scam him.

But don't forget his parents also resented her, they felt like he was too young to get married... his father still did not speak to him as recently as last year, so can't even imagine what he's going through tonight ..not sure if his mom started speaking to him again but they didn't go to their son's wedding. Very sad.

Vanessa has more than paid (earned?) her dues, she went through a lot with him, despite people saying women will put up with a lot of side-shit when their man is Rich n famous.
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Yeah I'm only hearing about the family drama now. I didn't realize it was like that.

And you're right about Vanessa. She stuck around when she could've walked away and still been paid. My heart goes out to her for so many reasons.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
Wow, I didn't know them details. By the time I started following the NBA, I think Kobe & Vanessa were already married, so I missed backstory about their relationship.
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Yeah, since he was born and raised here, barring the few years in Italy, his baller pops and grand dad are well known . (His dad was a 76ers). So their life is (was) like an open book locally. It's not hard to find someone that knows Kobe, his father or grandfather. Especially in the lower Merion area.
It's funny, because LA adopted him, but Philly raised him.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
Wow, I didn't know them details. By the time I started following the NBA, I think Kobe & Vanessa were already married, so I missed backstory about their relationship.
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It's really ironic actually, because I just now saw a story on his father and there were 2 pictures of them together in 2007 and 2009, they were at a dodgers game, but they said the grandfather was close with Gianna. Now, Kobe was asked recently (by Howard Eskins) if things have mended with his father and he shook his head no... So maybe it was on, off?
Their neighbor said his dad is devastated, their whole family is.
 
Bliss said:
It's really ironic actually, because I just now saw a story on his father and there were 2 pictures of them together in 2007 and 2009, they were at a dodgers game, but they said the grandfather was close with Gianna. Now, Kobe was asked recently (by Howard Eskins) if things have mended with his father and he shook his head no... So maybe it was on, off?
Their neighbor said his dad is devastated, their whole family is.
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Wow, as if this wasn't heartbreaking enough already
 
meowkittenmeow said:
Well, I tried to
Create the threads, but they were automatically deleted. So, I guess we can’t complain when threads get derailed.

correction: the patriarchy one was deleted but the matriarchy one is still up. I’ll ask a mod about it later.

update: that was deleted too. I tried.

I wrote this to the moderators:
“Hello. I noticed the problem of threads being derailed while discussing patriarchal or matriarchal oppression. So, I decided to create a thread for each form, in order to mitigate the issue of thread derailing. I am not sure if it was the subject or the title. Would I be alright in creating a thread titled “Patriarchy” and a thread titles “Matriarchy”? As I noticed the two previous threads I attempted to make were deleted.

I could put them in the men’s locker room so that they don’t show up in search results.

I’ d also like to add that discussions of oppression do not equate to being “anti-race, gender, etc.”, but raise awareness and allow for positive discourse in the hopes of correcting oppressive social constructs and institutions.”

But, sometimes the language of the law creates a situation where things can’t be discussed as openly or as directly. Sometimes that happens. I tried @Madeleine[/USER] . It is what it is.
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Thanks for trying!
I understand there are some black men on this forum that obviously have had very bad experiences with their counterparts. However, the topic is so prominent on this forum it has come to make me wonder if those men are actually into ww or they just want to be with us to get back at bw in some way. I also don’t understand why it’s so important for us what they are thinking and saying on social media. Why do we need to keep discussing it here? I think it’s much better to let them know that we don’t give a sh** what others are saying about our relationships by not mentioning those things. That’s just my opinion. I know @ColiBreh1 doesn’t agree and will “dislike” this post.o
 
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Madeleine said:

Thanks for trying!
I understand there are some black men on this forum that obviously have had very bad experiences with their counterparts. However, the topic is so prominent on this forum it has come to make me wonder if those men are actually into ww or they just want to be with us to get back at bw in some way. I also don’t understand why it’s so important for us what they are thinking and saying on social media. Why do we need to keep discussing it here? I think it’s much better to let them know that we don’t give a sh** what others are saying about our relationships by not mentioning those things. That’s just my opinion. I know @ColiBreh1 doesn’t agree and will “dislike” this post.o
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Probably a cultural/geographical difference. What we experience here, isn’t what you experience there.
 
Bliss said:
I can't help but think you were young when that went down. It was as big a scandal as Tiger. There might not have been Facebook and Twitter, but there sure were Forums, AOL/Yahoo chatrooms, the internet, et al. And the media's undivided attention on him.

But yeah, he did get a pass as a Superstar athlete, you're right, the #metoo movement has a strong element of sympathy which didn't exist back then. It was very much he said / she said and definitely no "I believe her" or "all women should be believed". So you do make a valid point.
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I remember his parents resented her because of her race. Kobe sued his parents for selling their story to the media.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
I was a H.S. Freshman during that 2003-2004 NBA season that Kobe was regularly going to court for his rape case. By than I was a sports fans who regularly watched ESPN/FSN & listened to sports radio, so I remember the scandal. NO WAY did Kobe get the same vitriol & criticism that Michael Vick got for his dog fighting scandal. I feel like Tiger Woods got more criticism for his "Harem of sidechicks & groupies" scandal than Kobe got for his rape case.

The fact that Kobe's rape scandal didn't affect Kobe on the court tells you how easy they went on Kobe compared to other athlete's scandals. That would never happen nowadays.
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Remember Kobe reached a financial settlement with the victim, which made people question how accurate her claims of rape really were.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
People mad because Kobe's fortune is gonna go to a non-BW. I've ALWAYS hated that dumb argument from BW & pro-black/B1 negros online because they be saying that BS as if black widowers/divorcees/baby mamas of rich BM be using the money to help the black community or something.
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We don't know what his will says yet. Perhaps he gives everything to save feral cats, or something.

Soulthinker said:
I remember his parents resented her because of her race. Kobe sued his parents for selling their story to the media.
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His parents doesn't sound like good people.
 
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1222346503433412611
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https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/washington-post-reinstates-felicia-sonmez-after-kobe-bryant-rape-case-

What a cunt. If you go on her timeline she's playing victim.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
Great segment from ESPN's Elle Duncan on SportsCenter:

https://twitter.com/Ella_928/status/1222006990202920962

#GirlDad is #1 trending topic on Twitter because of this clip.
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darkcurry said:
Seen it yesterday. Kobe was more than a great baller. He did this human thing quite well.
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I'm a be real, I've HATED Kobe with a passion since the 2004 NBA offseason. So I slept on how good a dude he was off the court. My hate for him had lessened the last couple years now that he was retired & no longer a threat to be considered #1 when NBA fans online discuss the GOAT NBA players.
 
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