Living in Stuttgart, Germany: My experiences (Pt. 1)

Interesting info. Are you planning on staying in Germany after school?

Man, I hope I'm out of this camp in about 2-3 years - probably towards San Diego more than heading back to L.A. -- And, I'm actually not in school, I teach Business English for some of the German companies in the Stuttgart area.
 
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I just have one itty bitty observation in regards to what OP said about Germany vs LA - there is a hell of a lot more bm in LA vs Germany and thus that is why the OP sees a difference, the amount of bm/ww couples there does not really reflect on German women willing to be in an IR. Pointing out the obvious.. . LOL.

Shit, there’s a hell of lot more B(American)M in Idaho than in Germany! Yes, there being more BM in L.A. or any sizable city will produce more IR…yeah of course, LOL, but that wasn’t my point. -- I brought that up because if one is solely interested in IR you don’t necessarily have to go to Europe to find women who are into you when opportunity is right in your backyard, that’s what I was trying to say - at least in my opinion.

Look, if you have the finances to get your ass over here, the fortitude to establish your career or the cash flow in order to maintain a visa, the discipline to learn a foreign language as an adult and the coup de grace…be halfway decent looking – you should do juuust fine with a lot of German women. But damn, if you have those kinds of skills you should also be able to pull “anywhere”… Oregon, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, New York, Texas, anywhere. - The “willing” is ubiquitous!

Don’t get me wrong, I am NOT shittin on anyone’s desires for IR in Europe or Germany specifically, remember I’m currently in one of these relationships and intend on being in it until the day I die. But sometimes I talk to cats who make it seem like Europe is the black man’s paradise, like damn near all the women here are dying to be with a black man, like its less racist than the U.S., like the welcome wagon is going to meet you with a chocolate cake or some shit and I can only chuckle at the super optimism.

Some of the things that make Germany sound so appealing to BM are indeed true ok?...but...a lot is not so true; a bit of hype in my opinion. So from my perspective for whatever its worth, I think the reality is somewhere in the middle.

IF it is as simple as wanting to screw and flirt with some attractive Euro girls…okay cool. I say do your thing. I’m pretty certain you’ll have big fun. Do make sure to include the rest of the world like Australia, don’t forget places like Argentina and Spain, Singapore, Thailand, some places of course are better for us than others, but hey you have skills, find the niche locales and do your thing playa – the gold is in the journey. End of discussion.

However… if one is looking for something ‘more’ than physical or you are interested in actually living here as a resident, then it really deserves some consideration beyond the small percentage of “willing” white girls in Germany - who as I said in my last post really aren't all that hot aside from being thick (although that may be enough! LOL).

Anyway, if one is open to the possibility of real love there’s got to be more. If one is considering moving their life overseas (non-military), there are a lot more important things to consider…Will the communication gap be too much for you on a day to day basis in the long-term? Will the cultural differences ultimately be a problem, if not in your new location perhaps with your girl? Will you be able to get a decent job or establish the income you’d like when many locals are struggling? Are you ready to accept you have not one but two pre-qualifiers that may not always be in your favor: being an American and being black. Are you cool with living in a Socialist society?

I just wonder if for some Americans, black or white, European life might be better for a long, fun vacation rather than a long-term move. I think for some of us it’s that search for something better – the greener grass, and I can’t tell you how many Americans and other expats I’ve talked to who now appreciate their homeland so much more after living here for a while. It’s certainly a personal thing; everyone is different so you never know until you try it, that’s what’s important and that’s what I fully support!

One quick thing so that I don’t come off too negative about all this, because really I’m not -- if you are an engineer, in IT or studying to be in these types of technical industries I would definitely check out your opportunities, particularly with the U.S. government. You will basically be taken care of very nicely…generous salaries, housing allowance, generous vacation time, so check that out if that’s your area.

Once again, sorry for being so damn long-winded with the response.
 
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Marco, I don't think people think you are long winded at all. You seem to give a balanced, accurate idea of what it like and I think the guys here appreciate. :)

Congrats on your little one.
 
Shit, there’s a hell of lot more BM in Idaho than in Germany! Yes, there being more BM in L.A. or any sizable city will produce more IR…yeah of course, LOL, but that wasn’t my point. -- I brought that up because if one is solely interested in IR you don’t necessarily have to go to Europe to find women who are into you when opportunity is right in your backyard, that’s what I was trying to say - at least in my opinion.

Look, if you have the finances to get your ass over here, the fortitude to establish your career or the cash flow in order to maintain a visa, the discipline to learn a foreign language as an adult and the coup de grace…be halfway decent looking – you should do juuust fine with a lot of German women. But damn, if you have those kinds of skills you should also be able to pull “anywhere”… Oregon, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, New York, Texas, anywhere. - The “willing” is ubiquitous!

Don’t get me wrong, I am NOT shittin on anyone’s desires for IR in Europe or Germany specifically, remember I’m currently in one of these relationships and intend on being in it until the day I die. But sometimes I talk to cats who make it seem like Europe is the black man’s paradise, like damn near all the women here are dying to be with a black man, like its less racist than the U.S., like the welcome wagon is going to meet you with a chocolate cake or some shit and I can only chuckle at the super optimism.

Some of the things that make Germany sound so appealing to BM are indeed true ok?...but...a lot is not so true; a bit of hype in my opinion. So from my perspective for whatever its worth, I think the reality is somewhere in the middle.

IF it is as simple as wanting to screw and flirt with some attractive Euro girls…okay cool. I say do your thing. I’m pretty certain you’ll have big fun. Do make sure to include the rest of the world like Australia, don’t forget places like Argentina and Spain, Singapore, Thailand, some places of course are better for us than others, but hey you have skills, find the niche locales and do your thing playa – the gold is in the journey. End of discussion.

However… if one is looking for something ‘more’ than physical or you are interested in actually living here as a resident, then it really deserves some consideration beyond the small percentage of “willing” white girls in Germany - who as I said in my last post really aren't all that hot aside from being thick (although that may be enough! LOL).

Anyway, if one is open to the possibility of real love there’s got to be more. If one is considering moving their life overseas (non-military), there are a lot more important things to consider…Will the communication gap be too much for you on a day to day basis in the long-term? Will the cultural differences ultimately be a problem, if not in your new location perhaps with your girl? Will you be able to get a decent job or establish the income you’d like when many locals are struggling? Are you ready to accept you have not one but two pre-qualifiers that may not always be in your favor: being an American and being black. Are you cool with living in a Socialist society?

I just wonder if for some Americans, black or white, European life might be better for a long, fun vacation rather than a long-term move. I think for some of us it’s that search for something better – the greener grass, and I can’t tell you how many Americans and other expats I’ve talked to who now appreciate their homeland so much more after living here for a while. It’s certainly a personal thing; everyone is different so you never know until you try it, that’s what’s important and that’s what I fully support!

One quick thing so that I don’t come off too negative about all this, because really I’m not -- if you are an engineer, in IT or studying to be in these types of technical industries I would definitely check out your opportunities, particularly with the U.S. government. You will basically be taken care of very nicely…generous salaries, housing allowance, generous vacation time, so check that out if that’s your area.

Once again, sorry for being so damn long-winded with the response.

For me the appeal has always been more english speaking countries similar to the US but cultures that actually care about the people like Norway, Australia, and Canada. No place is perfect but I pay attention to global markets and global economics and no other country in the industrialized world allows the corporations to make as much as they do with little to no taxes while their people struggle and suffer through massive unemployment and near depression like homelessness. Its just so shameful that all you want to do is leave not to mention the racism here is just fucking ridiculous in comparison to what I read and hear from family members. I'm still weighing my options but I would like to see myself out of here by 2014 if possible. Baring a massive overhaul I have no faith nor hope in this country.
Btw great post I repped you for it.
 
So from what you've observed there are more bm ww couples in germany than there are in LA?

There are not more BM/WW couples in Germany than in L.A. or really any mid sized city - not even close. As another poster here pointed out, if for no other reason, there are far more BM in L.A. than Germany. However, as DK mentioned and I did as well in my original post, the intensity is stronger among "some" German women. I guess I can refer to it also as stronger itch for BM than in the U.S....(I believe)

But, lol, I'm sorry at the end of the day, too often I see the same shit as I did in the States!...some overweight, average to below average white chick with a black dude. So they're "still" not getting the cream of the crop. So just speaking for myself, it should be more than the "willingness" or itch of a WW.

Unless.....hey, you just wanna hit it because you can.
 
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Marco, I don't think people think you are long winded at all. You seem to give a balanced, accurate idea of what it like and I think the guys here appreciate. :)

Congrats on your little one.

Hey man I appreciate that. I'm getting ready to log out because as you know depending on where everyone is at, I'm either 6-9 hours ahead of you, but I'm going to check the forum out again in a day or two...it's interesting actually and to tell you the truth it is a nice connection for me to interact again with cats from the states - I miss it.

Now I need to find a forum to talk about the NFL season starting up! I'm drowning over here with all the soccer.
 
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hahaha

You know what, you're right. Stay away from Los Angeles at all costs.

Is there anything in downtown LA? Nothing. Less trams and not too many buses. Interracial scene? Unless you are livin large. Clubs? If you are livin large and the boucer lets you in. Nothing is there in the City of Angels. Germany, there is a lot to do for brothers there unlike LA.
 
Is there anything in downtown LA? Nothing. Less trams and not too many buses. Interracial scene? Unless you are livin large. Clubs? If you are livin large and the boucer lets you in. Nothing is there in the City of Angels. Germany, there is a lot to do for brothers there unlike LA.
There's a lot I can say about this, but I'll save it for another thread.
 
ALmao @ nothing to do in L.A..... so far from the truth... its so untrue ....I don't think people on here even realized they just compared a CITY a to whole COUNTRY ....HAHAHA

please know this...every true Angeleno will always boast about L.A. having atleast 7 smaller city's within itself for every day of the week...& they all provide unique experiences (Santa Monica, Long Beach, Newport Beach, Hollywood, North Hollywood, Pasadena, Redondo Beach, Anahiem, Downtown L.A., Burbank/Glendale Silver Lake)... btw... San Diego is only a 1 1/2hrs away...& SD got about 5 different unique city's within itself ....

Another important thing to remember about L.A. is.... its the only place in the USA where the white dudes openly brag about being able to go skiing in the mountains ... and being able to have lunch on the beach 1 hour later.:drinkers:
 
Wow, I’ve been loosely following this forum over the last few months and always thought eventually I’ll chime in with my experiences but never got around to it. So, here I go. I’m going to apologize in advance for the length of this monster post as I’m not real good with being brief – especially on these types of topics.

I’m a Black American from L.A. and I’ve been living in Stuttgart, Germany since October 2009, so almost two years now. Why Germany? Well I met my fiancé online about five years ago (BlackPlanet…I know, don’t laugh!) The first year we were talking on the phone or emailing basically every day, the second year it continued but I finally flew to Germany a few times, flew her to L.A. twice and eventually the relationship progressed to the point where I made the decision to move there for a year or two, as the original plan was for her to move to California with me for the long-term assuming our relationship continued to work out

Also, she is Greek, not German although she has spent more than half her life living in Germany. For quite some time I had been very much open to living abroad. I had already done some traveling (Jamaica, throughout Mexico, Canada, Chile) but I had not yet been to Europe. I think I got a little burned out on L.A. life in particular being born and raised there and just kind of had an instinctual feeling I would enjoy living in another country. I just wasn’t sure which one. So, when things got serious with my girl, I decided to make that move.

I hope you don’t mind my addressing a few topics in a very broad, rambling way. It will probably be two posts.

My general impressions of German life

Coming from Southern California, the weather most definitely sucks. I didn’t realize how much it would actually affect me. It can be a downer to have gray skies much of the year. Either it’s raining, snowing or just cold…but almost always gray. I must say though this year hasn’t been that bad and lately it’s been pretty nice actually.

The food also sucks. Okay, ‘some’ German food is pretty good, so I should say the variety and quality of food sucks. Italian restaurants…terrible and bland, Mexican restaurants…a straight joke, it goes on and on. Too often, only in desperation I’ve found myself at Turkish doner shops..or…just cooking my own damn gumbo. There are a few decent spots – an Indian restaurant that was very good, but in general, Germany is not known for its international cuisine.

The people are rude and cold…in general. The pushing, the cutting in line, the lack of personal space, their unwillingness to greet strangers, much less with smile – all of this and more are smaller everyday things that make me not a big fan of everyday German life.

I have heard this is more a European cultural thing, but in quick trips to Paris and Strasbourg and Northern Italy I didn’t get this experience. I also felt those countries had more character, the people were more personable in general especially the Italians. Again, this is just my impression. There are indeed open and friendly Germans but I feel they are definitely in the minority. So, I’m a fan of Europe, not a fan of “Germany.”

Call me a creature of habit or just a spoiled American or maybe even ignorant because when I first got here I really had a difficult time accepting some of the everyday differences between American and European life; seemingly small things but annoying nonetheless such as almost everything being closed on Sundays, warm Soda, no ice, no air conditioning, uncomfortable beds, ugly expensive shoes and clothes in limited sizes, small living spaces and I already mentioned the lack of respect for personal space...a big pet peeve for me.

On a side note, I guess it was my naivety but I wasn’t prepared for the constant cold shoulder from Africans. I learned fast, quick and a hurry that they wanted nothing to do with a Black American cat except maybe the attempt to dress in hip-hop gear…(circa 1992).

Thoughts on racism

I know some are going to disagree with me, but I think anyone who comes here thinking Germany is this wonderfully open multicultural love fest they are severely fooling themselves. Aside from some of the neo Nazis in the eastern parts there is not much violent racism. But there is a subtle racism or perhaps a more accurate word would be an ‘ignorance’ or prejudice that is prevalent from my experiences.

I belong to an English speaking expatriate group here in Stuttgart and from time to time I meet up with them at some bar/lounge/restaurant or whatever event may be happening and over the last year or so I’ve gotten into some pretty interesting conversations. A lot of these people are not necessarily Americans as some may assume, they are from all over the world and they want to gather and speak english in a social setting: The group has people from Bagdad, London, Ireland, Australia, Netherlands, Russia, Brazil, so all over, even Germans. Some also have close familial ties to Germany – a lot of times this is their reason for being here in the first place.

Anyway, as you might imagine some interesting conversations can develop and being one of the very few black guys in the group, it seems I get the types of questions they’ve always wanted to ask a black person if they ever had a chance. As the hefeweizens continue to flow, the questions get deeper. Sometimes it’s pretty funny and at other times it gets tiring answering or defending against their stupid ass stereotypes of black people and our lives - the “hood”…”drive bys”…”hip-hop”…our sexual conquests, especially with white girls…big dick jokes and comments…Obama. Just last night I had to check this British guy about his welfare statistics – he basically implied that “the numbers” show poor black people as a burden to the American economy. Wow.

It’s shit like this that really challenges your discipline to not react exactly how they would expect! Instead, you have to remain calm and collected and fire on them in a different manner – The respect eventually comes but this type of thing gets tiring and I feel it is unique to being in Europe – these stereotypical perceptions of the U.S. and Black Americans.

I have gone to school almost my entire life with white students aside from college (Morehouse), I’ve certainly worked with a ton of them, plenty of friends, etc and never have I received as many ignorant ass questions I’ve gotten here in Germany.

In my Business English classes, most of my students are auto engineers or professionals in other industries and again I get similar types of questions from them too. Funny how they start off harmless and once we’ve become “close enough” the real questions begin.

My suggestion…come out and stay for one to three months and soak up the culture and daily lifestyle. Try to not act as a tourist but do the things you will be doing as a full-time resident – go to the store, try to get information for your career, interact with people, travel around locally. Whether or not you are going to be some great catch to German women is only one aspect of things (more on that in a minute), but from my perspective Germany is not necessarily the warm and fuzzy place for brothas that some will advertise it as, so watch out. It can be for some and others, well…it could really suck.

(continued on next post)

This is probably the single most enjoyable post I have read from a newbie...that's how you come on smashing the boards without introducing yourself...take note potential trolls...when people say the old members are not welcoming, it because you come straight posting mug shots asking "how do I look"? I would be very surprised if this dude turned out to be troll...

Good have you on the boards Marco.:smt006
 
This is probably the single most enjoyable post I have read from a newbie...that's how you come on smashing the boards without introducing yourself...take note potential trolls...when people say the old members are not welcoming, it because you come straight posting mug shots asking "how do I look"? I would be very surprised if this dude turned out to be troll...

Good have you on the boards Marco.:smt006

I would have to disagree with the fact that I or any other new person has to come here and be like Marco in our post to make a bunch of folks that have been here before us ...like us.. we are all adults and we are all unique with different experiences... however I will agree the Marco has posted great information... but as I say that... I must also say that I have never been to Morehouse ... dated a woman in germany... or for that matter even been to germany... I can only give you what I am... and in due time I believe you will be able to come to the determination that I'm far from stupid or uneducated.
 
I would have to disagree with the fact that I or any other new person has to come here and be like Marco in our post to make a bunch of folks that have been here before us ...like us.. we are all adults and we are all unique with different experiences... however I will agree the Marco has posted great information... but as I say that... I must also say that I have never been to Morehouse ... dated a woman in germany... or for that matter even been to germany... I can only give you what I am... and in due time I believe you will be able to come to the determination that I'm far from stupid or uneducated.


Couldn't tell that from the posing in your first few posts.
 
For me the appeal has always been more english speaking countries similar to the US but cultures that actually care about the people like Norway, Australia, and Canada. No place is perfect but I pay attention to global markets and global economics and no other country in the industrialized world allows the corporations to make as much as they do with little to no taxes while their people struggle and suffer through massive unemployment and near depression like homelessness. Its just so shameful that all you want to do is leave not to mention the racism here is just fucking ridiculous in comparison to what I read and hear from family members. I'm still weighing my options but I would like to see myself out of here by 2014 if possible. Baring a massive overhaul I have no faith nor hope in this country.
Btw great post I repped you for it.


and Sweden:-)
 
Is there anything in downtown LA? Nothing. Less trams and not too many buses. Interracial scene? Unless you are livin large. Clubs? If you are livin large and the boucer lets you in. Nothing is there in the City of Angels. Germany, there is a lot to do for brothers there unlike LA.

Sorry ST - you are dead wrong, on all accounts. Plenty of stuff going on DT LA (just go to LA Live for example and look at all the IR couples there, cool restaurants etc, but there is oh so much more to LA than just DT. I see IR BM/WW couples every day, all the time, everywhere. Most are not by any means "living large". Also "bouncer letting you in".. that was funny, shows how little you do know about LA.
Where do you base your view on since you said you haven't been here??
I'm really confused. What LA are you talking about?? LOL. You have to take an L on that one my friend.
 
A little pre-occupied with your boy I see...Hahaha... Hobbies exist for a reason...I encourage all to get one or two.:drinkers:
 
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