Loves Lisa Lampinelli

[pettyofficerj]

White guys would classify 90% of sistas as fat or ugly because they dont fit their (white men) standard of beautiful. And if you go by 's reasoning, any woman who's dress size is double digits is ugly. And as out-of-line as this may be Im going to use Superchic and Pinnacle's lady as examples. Its obvious that neither woman is a size 4, but anyone who looks at their pics and doesnt admit that they are fine, sexy, beautiful, gorgeous, white women is a fool, idiot, and an ass.

you're no different from malikom talking like that



jelly, jelly, jelly.....

 

[pettyofficerj]

Co-sign Malik, if you hear her on Howard Stern, she comes right out and says that she was too fat and ugly to attract white guys so she "resorted" to dating black men. It is this kind of mentality that drives me nuts, we, black men, are not the last resort for the unwanted, unattractive, rejected, women of the world!

Well,first step is to stop giving these types of women attention.Brothers need to stop gassing their heads and dating these fat,ugly,white women.
Its simple,if we didnt accept them,then they wouldnt come to us in such large numbers.
Thats why ill continue to say that alot of brothers need to up their standards.....waaaayyy up.

Word.

you just signed your death warrant..

agreeing with something malikom wrote

 

[Loki]

Being somewhat new to posting here, does Malikom have that bad of a reputation around here?

 

[jellybird]

I didnt say "all." And their are a lot of people who are not a size 4 or 6 who would be considered fat. And to perpetuate that myth in this age of bulimia, anorexia nervosa, and distorted images of women, and to sit and judge women and the men who date those women is insulting and reckless.

I have posted before that some of the most unhealthy women I have met have been thin (smokers, ect.) There are dangerous images at both extremes which is all the more reason why we need positive role models.

If your teaching these kids that success means having doctors as neighors instead of a mailman, driving a 7 instead of a chevy, and your showing off your wardrobe and telling them that being successful means being white collar, do me a favor...PLEASE STOP! We (black people) dont need "successful" people coming "back to the hood" instilling such superficial values in kids. What is needed quite simply is positive role models who imphasize education and values...period. Now if these kids choose a white collar or blue collar job or even a career in military, as long as they are happy, productive, and positive, who can argue with that.

Jelly, if you recall I once recomended that you read a book called Rich Dad Poor Dad. One of my biggest concerns for society as a whole, and especially black people is the obsession with "conspicuous consumption". Or in other words, the big hat, no cattle mentality. My MBA is in finance and I do a great deal of teaching on how to be fiscally responsible and literate, building legacy wealth is crucial for any group of people to not only survive, but thrive. I would agree that money is not the most important thing in the world, however it does have a direct impact all all the things that are most important in life; health, faith, education, quality of life, safety, travel to be exposed to different cultures and peoples, ect. The net worth of the top 120 thousand people in this country is greater than the net worth of the bottom 180 MILLION, the gap between the haves and the have nots is big and growing, and this has numerous powerful consequenses.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. And as far as someone's sig. other, anytime you co-sign malikom, your treading on "dumb" ice. Whose to say that a woman is "unwanted," "unattractive," and/or a "reject" as you said earlier in this thread. Heidi Klum's first baby daddy didnt want her, but I dont see anyone criticizing Seal. Regardless of what caused Lisa L. to start dating brothas, as long as she's happy and the dude's happy, the rest doesnt matter. But the consensus is that she's fat and ugly, so its a stain on black men, when in fact no here or anywhere has the right to call someone ugly, fat, unwanted, BOTB, or any number of derogatory terms.

Yes Jelly, we can debate statistics all day long. I actually took Malikom to task for commenting on significant others, not cool in my book. Once again, the post I made on Lisa Lampenelli, was pointing out that SHE said those things about HERSELF, and because she felt that way about herself she thought black men were her only option. Now if that was only her thoughts, so be it, however she was talking on a national radio show and perpetuating that negative stereotype about black men, I will always fight against such stereotypes.

Or maybe black men are not as judgemental as white men or the rest of society. I see your point (which really isnt a point) but my point is that who give a rat's ass about the media's portrayal. The media also portrays black people as animals who dont know how to act, but thats for another time.

I would agree that we as black men face numerous negative portrayals, a great read is Dr. Hutchinson's book "The assassination of the Black Male Image". I am not so sure that black men are any less judgemental than any other group of men, but I do believe we must fight any and all negative portrayals when they arise.



Why should you care how much attention your wife gets when she walks down the street? And you resent footing the bill for the irresponsible? Do you know what thats called...LIFE! But who black men choose to date isnt on your tab.

The attention my wife gets is just a fact, not that I care one way or another, you were questioning my choice of a mate in terms of attractiveness so I was answering that. We will certainly have to disagree with being REQUIRED to foot the bill for irresponsible others, read the book "Atlas Shrugged" sometime, I believe you may enjoy it. As far as who dates who, I could care less, but when it comes to stereotypes, stereotypes that make all of our lives as black men HARDER, I will always speak out.

And your high car insurance has nothing to do with a motorcycle helment law. Thats just a ruse for the insurance company to raise your rates and make an even larger profit. Let me ask you, have you seen or heard of any "big" insurance companies going "belly-up" or are they still making money hand-over-fist like they have for the last couple decades? Instead of making dozens caveman and CGI-filled commercials and buying countless millions on super-exspensive tv air time, they should cut a brother a break on his rates so I dont have to foot the bill for the irresponsible? (Talk about cries falling on deaf, money-stuffed ears...)

Ah, we could talk all day about corporate greed. Actually, insurance companies have in fact gone bankrupt, many were underwriting the mortgage backed securities market that has melted down. While it is true that corporations will use any data point, real or imagined, to try to justify increased rates (see oil companies) the fact remains that in my example I believe most people would agree that riding a motorcycle without a helmet is reckless and dagerous, and that creates an opening for insurance companies to seize upon as justification for raising rates here in Az, and those of us who are more responsible must foot that bill.

Jelly it seems that we will have to agree to disagree on some items, however I do enjoy debating with you as you certainly seem to be someone who is passionate in his beliefs and can employ logic and reason.

1) I could care less about the wealth of the "top" ten percent, because when you look at the crimes and evil that stains so much of that "blood money, " you cant help but be disgusted.

2) You have an advanced degree and you still cant see the big picture... (Im always amused by the unsolicited listing of irrelevent credentials.)
When Lisa L. said those things about herself, you (and malikom) just took that and ran with it, instead of asking, "Why would a young lady talk about herself in such a negative manner and see herself in such a negative light?" Then you curse black men who accepted her for who she was and helped her build her self confidence until she became a nationally famous comedian. If being known as compasionate people is a negative stereotype (negative because blacks have a different idea of "thin and fat" than whites) then what does that say about the world we live in?

3) If there are insurance companies that have went backrupt recenty (which I doubt) it certainly wasnt because of the mortgage mess. Actually, companies have been using their stake in insurance companies to settle their debts from the mortgage mess.

4) Everthing from your health insurance to your grocery bill has added cost built in because of irresponsible people who cheat, steal, and do dumb sh*t! So unless your gonna ride a bike to work (wear a helment) and grow your own fruits and vegatables, deal with it and stop whining.

And once again, I will pass on the book recomendations. (I thought this was wwbm.com, not Sesame Street...)

 

[jellybird]

Sorry dude,but fat girls are disgusting

to each their own.

This from a guy who failed remedial history...

 

[pettyofficerj]

Being somewhat new to posting here, does Malikom have that bad of a reputation around here?

yes...

he's like the seedy character in a typical movie



the guy from LOST, who everyone hated because he had no heart...but was always kept around because he was still human

 

[malikom]

Sorry dude,but fat girls are disgusting

to each their own.

This from a guy who failed remedial history...

Its ok that you like balooga whales dude .....

but dont try to project your standards on other people lol

 

[kenny_g]

Sorry dude,but fat girls are disgusting

to each their own.

This from a guy who failed remedial history...

Its ok that you like balooga whales dude .....

but dont try to project your standards on other people lol

Like your doing on this forum and just now?
I don't usually jump in the middle of other people's arguements but that is what your doing by denouncing black men that date heavier women.
Just tellin it like it is.
It's the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Summit]

If your teaching these kids that success means having doctors as neighors instead of a mailman, driving a 7 instead of a chevy, and your showing off your wardrobe and telling them that being successful means being white collar, do me a favor...PLEASE STOP! We (black people) dont need "successful" people coming "back to the hood" instilling such superficial values in kids. What is needed quite simply is positive role models who imphasize education and values...period. Now if these kids choose a white collar or blue collar job or even a career in military, as long as they are happy, productive, and positive, who can argue with that.

I think what Jellybird is saying is, you don't need to choose white folk's standards of what it is to be successful to be happy, which is what some of you are doing when you lambaste heavy chicks for the size 4-tv-chick.

I agree with that.
Then he goes on to say what we do and don't need in the hood and that we should emphasize education and values which brings up a question. What values are you(jellybird) saying we should emphasize? And why shouldn't we reject your values just as we should the "white mans"?
What are the white man's values, anyway? With regard to having a doctor living next to a mailman....are you implying that black people have never had any care for status until the white man showed up?
Do you have a preference for white women....if so, why?

 

[pettyofficerj]

this is gettin good


:toimonster:

 

[karmacoma.]

This has totally gone past Lisa Lampanelli.

 

[Loki]

) I could care less about the wealth of the "top" ten percent, because when you look at the crimes and evil that stains so much of that "blood money, " you cant help but be disgusted.

You and everyone really should care, because right or wrong it is the wealthy that influence or determine every important aspect of life in this country. Clearly you are opposed to any resource I recommend, however if you can get over that you may want to go to www.sec.gov, do a search for the term "accredited investor" and you may start to understand why 95.7% of Americans "retire" DEPENDANT on family, charity, or the government. Don't know about you but those are not very good options and there are many factors stacked against the average joe in trying to create legacy wealth.


2) You have an advanced degree and you still cant see the big picture... (Im always amused by the unsolicited listing of irrelevent credentials.)

I am amused that you believe your version of the big picture is the only "valid" one.

When Lisa L. said those things about herself, you (and malikom) just took that and ran with it, instead of asking, "Why would a young lady talk about herself in such a negative manner and see herself in such a negative light?" Then you curse black men who accepted her for who she was and helped her build her self confidence until she became a nationally famous comedian. If being known as compasionate people is a negative stereotype (negative because blacks have a different idea of "thin and fat" than whites) then what does that say about the world we live in?

Jelly you are a young person, as such you make unsupported "leaps" in logic, not unusual. Once again, try to get this, I was not attacking black men, I was speaking out against negative stereotypes. Lisa L, said herself that SHE thought she was undesireable, and in her words, was too lazy to make changes to her appearance, thus she was willing to LOWER herself and settle for black men, once again, her words, not mine. If you don't see that as a negative stereotype against black men, we certainly must disagree.

3) If there are insurance companies that have went backrupt recenty (which I doubt) it certainly wasnt because of the mortgage mess. Actually, companies have been using their stake in insurance companies to settle their debts from the mortgage mess.

Doubt away Jelly, once again more sources for you http://www.insure.com/articles/lifeinsurance/penncorp-sale.html, surely you heard of Bear Sterns and their recent bankruptcy, they were heavily involved in mortgage backed securities, if you understand anything about the secondary market, you understand the connection to insurance companies.


4) Everthing from your health insurance to your grocery bill has added cost built in because of irresponsible people who cheat, steal, and do dumb sh*t! So unless your gonna ride a bike to work (wear a helment) and grow your own fruits and vegatables, deal with it and stop whining.

Whining, really Jelly, such wasteful sophistry. Just a suggestion, you make yourself look foolish in a debate when you resort to insults instead of letting the strength of your logic, reason, and facts support your position. To respond, there is some truth in what you say, however we are seeing more and more companies accross sectors giving better rates and terms to those customers that don't do dumb shi*t, (i.e. mortgage companies, some insurance companies, banks, ect.) a trend that I strongly encourage. Free market means survival of the fitest, just a first impression as we clearly don't know each other, but your views on finance and money seem strongly bent more towards socialism.

And once again, I will pass on the book recomendations. (I thought this was wwbm.com, not Sesame Street...)

Well, how sad that you would pass on gaining additional knowledge, even if you don't agree with someone, as we clearly don't, there is an old saying that "a truly wise person understands they have much to still learn".

 

[Loki]

jellybird wrote:
guy007 wrote:


Sorry dude,but fat girls are disgusting

to each their own.

This from a guy who failed remedial history...


Its ok that you like balooga whales dude .....
but dont try to project your standards on other people lol


Malikom, I am beginning to see why many here have a problem with you, there is no need to insult people to make your point, by the way you may want to learn how to spell "Beluga" whale. You look really foolish trying to insult others while making simplistic errors.

 

[pettyofficerj]

some people use slang on purpose

i know i do

anyone seen my apostrophes and capitalizatons

2) You have an advanced degree and you still cant see the big picture... (Im always amused by the unsolicited listing of irrelevent credentials.)

me too

:wink:

same goes for the people who claim to be married to models

 

[jellybird]

I could care less about the wealth of the "top" ten percent, because when you look at the crimes and evil that stains so much of that "blood money, " you cant help but be disgusted.

You and everyone really should care, because right or wrong it is the wealthy that influence or determine every important aspect of life in this country. Clearly you are opposed to any resource I recommend, however if you can get over that you may want to go to www.sec.gov, do a search for the term "accredited investor" and you may start to understand why 95.7% of Americans "retire" DEPENDANT on family, charity, or the government. Don't know about you but those are not very good options and there are many factors stacked against the average joe in trying to create legacy wealth.

I said "wealth" not "wealthy" and I dont care about either. And actually, the thing that impacts our lives far more (and that we totally ignore) than the "wealthy" and their dirty money is state and municipal governments and the decisions that are made on the local level.

2) You have an advanced degree and you still cant see the big picture... (Im always amused by the unsolicited listing of irrelevent credentials.)

I am amused that you believe your version of the big picture is the only "valid" one.

When Lisa L. said those things about herself, you (and malikom) just took that and ran with it, instead of asking, "Why would a young lady talk about herself in such a negative manner and see herself in such a negative light?" Then you curse black men who accepted her for who she was and helped her build her self confidence until she became a nationally famous comedian. If being known as compasionate people is a negative stereotype (negative because blacks have a different idea of "thin and fat" than whites) then what does that say about the world we live in?

Jelly you are a young person, as such you make unsupported "leaps" in logic, not unusual. Once again, try to get this, I was not attacking black men, I was speaking out against negative stereotypes. Lisa L, said herself that SHE thought she was undesireable, and in her words, was too lazy to make changes to her appearance, thus she was willing to LOWER herself and settle for black men, once again, her words, not mine. If you don't see that as a negative stereotype against black men, we certainly must disagree.

Someone saying something negative about themselves in not an indictment on those who care about them...so no, I dont see a negative stereotype because thats not what this situation is.

3) If there are insurance companies that have went backrupt recenty (which I doubt) it certainly wasnt because of the mortgage mess. Actually, companies have been using their stake in insurance companies to settle their debts from the mortgage mess.

Doubt away Jelly, once again more sources for you http://www.insure.com/articles/lifeinsurance/penncorp-sale.html, surely you heard of Bear Sterns and their recent bankruptcy, they were heavily involved in mortgage backed securities, if you understand anything about the secondary market, you understand the connection to insurance companies.

1) Your link doesnt work. 2) I understand the secondary market, primary market, and macroeconomics perfectly, thank you. 3) You said insurance companies are going belly-up, not securities dealers which is what Bear Stearns is. Bad example. Bear Stearn's problems had nothing to do with insurance and everything to do with a company who's assests were overvalued, bad loan practices, and quite simply a company who's fortunes were too closely tied to the subprime mortage industry.

4) Everthing from your health insurance to your grocery bill has added cost built in because of irresponsible people who cheat, steal, and do dumb sh*t! So unless your gonna ride a bike to work (wear a helment) and grow your own fruits and vegatables, deal with it and stop whining.

Whining, really Jelly, such wasteful sophistry. Just a suggestion, you make yourself look foolish in a debate when you resort to insults instead of letting the strength of your logic, reason, and facts support your position. To respond, there is some truth in what you say, however we are seeing more and more companies accross sectors giving better rates and terms to those customers that don't do dumb shi*t, (i.e. mortgage companies, some insurance companies, banks, ect.) a trend that I strongly encourage. Free market means survival of the fitest, just a first impression as we clearly don't know each other, but your views on finance and money seem strongly bent more towards socialism.

To say that you were whining wasnt insulting you. Insulting is using $2 words and think your going to impress someone. And of course some pay lower rates than others, everyone knows that. But even those that pay the lower rates pay a certain penalty (higher price) because of those who do dumb sh*t.

Im no socialist, but I also know that a totally free market doesnt and cant exist. Mainly because for a free market to work, perfect information must exist, meaning that consumers must know everything about the products they are buying...good and bad. Only then can they make a truely "informed" decision and choose the best product available in the market, allowing the strong and best to survive. But those on the supply side lie about their products (exploding Pinto gas tanks: tiny Suzukis that flip over like chinese gymnist) and because of the complexities of a global market, not the mention the harm that can be caused to the general public by faulty/dangerous products (the days of the horse and carriage are over), there is a need for government intervention.

And once again, I will pass on the book recomendations. (I thought this was wwbm.com, not Sesame Street...)

Well, how sad that you would pass on gaining additional knowledge, even if you don't agree with someone, as we clearly don't, there is an old saying that "a truly wise person understands they have much to still learn".

If all your recomendations are as bad as "Rich Man, Poor Man," a cliche'-filled "you need to get it/do it, but dont ask me cause I dont know how" book, I will pass on the rest. If you want to recomend a worthwhile book, one that will give a person the tools to wisely invest in the stock market, and thus truely be able to build wealth, start with "A Random Walk Down Wall Street." I think they will find that a lot more useful.

 

[jellybird]

White guys would classify 90% of sistas as fat or ugly because they dont fit their (white men) standard of beautiful. And if you go by 's reasoning, any woman who's dress size is double digits is ugly. And as out-of-line as this may be Im going to use Superchic and Pinnacle's lady as examples. Its obvious that neither woman is a size 4, but anyone who looks at their pics and doesnt admit that they are fine, sexy, beautiful, gorgeous, white women is a fool, idiot, and an ass.

you're no different from malikom talking like that



jelly, jelly, jelly.....

Huh...How is that like anything malikom said?

 

[pettyofficerj]

oh nothing

 

[jellybird]

Ok, petty, but if you see a brotha slipping to the darkside, Im gonna need you to be yoda to my luke skywalker. lol

 

[Loki]

I said "wealth" not "wealthy" and I dont care about either. And actually, the thing that impacts our lives far more (and that we totally ignore) than the "wealthy" and their dirty money is state and municipal governments and the decisions that are made on the local level.

Well now we are getting somewhere, I would agree with the saying that all politics is local politics. I do hope you are involved where you live, I know I am, if you are, you would surely see numerous examples of how those with wealth are influencing what gets done and how it gets done. It is no secret that money is power in America, so I would hope that eventually you would care.

Someone saying something negative about themselves in not an indictment on those who care about them...so no, I dont see a negative stereotype because thats not what this situation is.

Interesting viewpoint you have on the situation, I still say that she was furthering a negative stereotype about black men being at the bottom of the dating barrel, but I must admit I did not consider your viewpoint on the matter...again, interesting perspective.

1) Your link doesnt work.

Not sure why, it is working fine for me, do a google search for bankrupt insurance companies and it is the third of fourth link that comes up

2) I understand the secondary market, primary market, and macroeconomics perfectly, thank you. 3) You said insurance companies are going belly-up, not securities dealers which is what Bear Stearns is. Bad example.

Not really a bad example, if you do understand the secondary market, which is a crucial lynchpin to our economy, you understand that many, many insurance companies buy MBS's for the income stream to pay out on their policies. Bear Sterns was a big player in this market and was almost a de-facto insurance companies with the amount of exposure they had in those particular securities. What happens in the mortgage, insurance, securities world is all tied together.

To say that you were whining wasnt insulting you. Insulting is using $2 words and think your going to impress someone.

(chuckle) not trying to impress you Jelly, you might want to consider it as a complement, that I felt you were of a high enough intellect to understand such words, and not dumbing down my words, not bragging or showing off, just a fact that not everyone speaks at the same level.

And of course some pay lower rates than others, everyone knows that. But even those that pay the lower rates pay a certain penalty (higher price) because of those who do dumb sh*t.

Well, this is where being a savvy consumer comes in, I would argue that the better your decision making track record is, especially financially, the better chance you have to negotiate better rates and terms, especially in the mortgage world, which is usually the largest debt a person acquires in their lifetime.

Im no socialist, but I also know that a totally free market doesnt and cant exist. Mainly because for a free market to work, perfect information must exist, meaning that consumers must know everything about the products they are buying...good and bad. Only then can they make a truely "informed" decision and choose the best product available in the market, allowing the strong and best to survive. But those on the supply side lie about their products (exploding Pinto gas tanks: tiny Suzukis that flip over like chinese gymnist) and because of the complexities of a global market, not the mention the harm that can be caused to the general public by faulty/dangerous products (the days of the horse and carriage are over), there is a need for government intervention.

A lot of truth in what you say here, however I am not sure I want the government, especially the current administration, stepping in to try to fix the situation, in my experience private enterprise comes up with better solutions to social problems.

If all your recomendations are as bad as "Rich Man, Poor Man," a cliche'-filled "you need to get it/do it, but dont ask me cause I dont know how" book, I will pass on the rest.

Actually the title is Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and it is simply a starting point. You are right in your appraisal that it is not a how to, but it does provide a powerful paradigm shift for those who wonder how/why the rich get richer.
If you would like a more in-depth read I would start with "The Great Reckoning" very deep and difficult reading.

If you want to recomend a worthwhile book, one that will give a person the tools to wisely invest in the stock market, and thus truely be able to build wealth, start with "A Random Walk Down Wall Street." I think they will find that a lot more useful.

A good read overall, however I found a Random Walk to be be somewhat light on the technical analysis, fundamentals are crucial, but I believe you need both to truly evaluate a position. Even Peter Lynch's series of books don't give the full picture in my opinion, very good reads with some basic logic, i.e. invest in what you know, but not enough detail. I believe on of the best systems out there (pricey but worth it) is called investools, it covers all the bases, fundamentals, technical (charting), volume (momentum), sectors, latest news, ect. very comprehensive.

 

[tuckerreed]

yes this has gone past lisa lampenelli, hard to stay on topic i guess