Mass shooting at Country Music Festival in Las Vegas (50+ dead, 500+ injured)

[GFunk]

Notice how the media plays the crazy card everytime a white boy does this shit.

If this were a Brother they'd be saying he's the product of a violent culture.

That was expected. We already knew they were gonna play the mental illness, lone wolf bullshit. I'm surprised they didn't say he rescued a family of baby ducks last week.

 

[Beasty]

The M-16s in the military have semi auto and burst functions. I never saw any full auto M-16s.

Damn. Why not full auto?

 

[andreboba]

How is it a "myth"? They own guns JUST LIKE US. They fight for their RIGHTS, just like us.

In fact, they PROVE the belief that an armed Society makes for a polite Society. The likely reason the Swiss don't use them for crime (and only for deterrent) is because everybody has a gun. However, they can do what they want with the gun - except commit a crime.
Which is the same thing here!

Make no mistake though, they have as much love for their guns as we do. They just approach it differently.
Also keep in mind, we have way more people, so the odds of a nutcase is much greater than the one nut case they had.

You can 'deny' their gun culture all you want..the Swiss prove it's a people problem not a gun one. As well, millions of U.S gun owners don't abuse their gun ownership.

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SWITZERLAND
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works
The country had one mass shooting in 2001, but a resulting anti-gun referendum failed to pass. The Swiss will not give up the gun. Can their system work in the U.S.?

Even as the gun-control debate rises again in the U.S. in the aftermath of the horrific school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the gun-loving Swiss are not about to lay down their arms. Guns are ubiquitous in this neutral nation, with sharpshooting considered a fun and wholesome recreational activity for people of all ages.


Even though Switzerland has not been involved in an armed conflict since a standoff between Catholics and Protestants in 1847, the Swiss are very serious not only about their right to own weapons but also to carry them around in public. Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.

“We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens,” says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.

Switzerland trails behind only the U.S, Yemen and Serbia in the number of guns per capita; between 2.3 million and 4.5 million military and private firearms are estimated to be in circulation in a country of only 8 million people.

-----> Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm killings per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report.

Unlike some other heavily armed nations, Switzerland’s gun ownership is deeply rooted in a sense of patriotic duty and national identity. Weapons are kept at home because of the long-held belief that enemies could invade tiny Switzerland quickly, so every soldier had to be able to fight his way to his regiment’s assembly point. (Switzerland was at risk of being invaded by Germany during World War II but was spared, historians say, because every Swiss man was armed and trained to shoot.)

But the “gun in every closet” tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others — the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.
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...One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low despite the prevalence of weapons — and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be transposed to the current American reality — is the culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society and passed from generation to generation....

The Rest of a great article...
http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/

Switzerland is kind of a bullshit example of a gun culture that works.
Their gun ownership is tied heavily to their mandatory conscription of all Swiss citizens, which is odd because in all the major European wars Switzerland was a neutral country. It's extremely hard to get an open carry or concealed weapon permit there too.

The Swiss look at their guns the way America did in the mid 1700s, like a huge national militia. They don't buy guns to protect themselves from other Swiss citizens. Also the standard of living is much higher there.

There are so few comparisons between a democratic socialist country like Switzerland and the USA, and despite it being legal to own guns in Switzerland, most Swizz citizens don't own one.

The USA is #1 in the world in guns owned per 100 residents, at 114 which is crazy.
Switzerland is 19# in the world at 24 guns owned per 100 residents.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Something something thoughts something something prayers something something mental health love freedom something something.

Alright, now let's all get back to our regularly scheduled program of pretending to care about gun violence in this country while actually not doing a goddamn thing about it.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Oh wait, I almost forgot: something something Second Amendment something government tyranny something overreach false flag something something.

 

[Beasty]

Something something thoughts something something prayers something something mental health love freedom something something.

Alright, now let's all get back to our regularly scheduled program of pretending to care about gun violence in this country while actually not doing a goddamn thing about it.

I can see you now running for president and losing georgia to dotard Jr.........lol

 

[GFunk]

Damn. Why not full auto?

Likely not practical in a firefight. You'd run out of ammo in a couple seconds, not really hit your target and you can only fit about 6 extra magazines in your flak vest. 30 rounds isn't a lot for fully auto. I don't even know if they use the burst function. We weren't allowed to in basic.

 

[Beasty]

Likely not practical in a firefight. You'd run out of ammo in a couple seconds, not really hit your target and you can only fit about 6 extra magazines in your flak vest. 30 rounds isn't a lot for fully auto. I don't even know if they use the burst function. We weren't allowed to in basic.

Although that makes sense; it seems like they could go to 100 round circular mags because the bullets are so light. Then again it still could be less practical depending on how much it affects the accuracy not to mention a new flak vest design. I imagine you would just have to rely on that grenade launcher or air support if you were to get pinned down by some Taliban's blowing with full auto Ak's. That's even if you can safely carry an extra grenade or two.

 

[GFunk]

Although that makes sense; it seems like they could go to 100 round circular mags because the bullets are so light. Then again it still could be less practical depending on how much it affects the accuracy not to mention a new flak vest design. I imagine you would just have to rely on that grenade launcher or air support if you were to get pinned down by some Taliban's blowing with full auto Ak's. That's even if you can safely carry an extra grenade or two.

Even then, with all the other weight you gotta carry, magazines just add to the weight even more. Full magazines are fairly heavy. You definitely feel the difference when you put them in your pouches. Combine that with grenades, medkit, water source, kevlar, etc. It's a lot. Not sure how practical 100 round drums would be when it came to firing, quickly reloading, firing in various positions. Training with those would be different. Also, if we need full auto/heavy firepower, we have SAW gunners that carry the 249 machine gun in each team, so technically, we already have full auto capability out there.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

I can see you now running for president and losing georgia to dotard Jr.........lol

Oh, I know I'm unelectable. The older I get, the more anti-gun I become. You'd never see me run for office. But I live in a country that prioritizes easy access to weapons of mass destruction over human life so y'all can keep this shitshow lol.

 

[Beasty]

Even then, with all the other weight you gotta carry, magazines just add to the weight even more. Full magazines are fairly heavy. You definitely feel the difference when you put them in your pouches. Combine that with grenades, medkit, water source, kevlar, etc. It's a lot. Not sure how practical 100 round drums would be when it came to firing, quickly reloading, firing in various positions. Training with those would be different. Also, if we need full auto/heavy firepower, we have SAW gunners that carry the 249 machine gun in each team, so technically, we already have full auto capability out there.

Oh yeah y'all good. Makes perfect sense. The M249 will close that gap real quick. Figured I was missing something in that. The way its done now sounds practical and sufficient. Thanks for the clarity.

Oh, I know I'm unelectable. The older I get, the more anti-gun I become. You'd never see me run for office. But I live in a country that prioritizes easy access to weapons of mass destruction over human life so y'all can keep this shitshow lol.

Well at least you know you're unelectable. I don't think the dem politicians will ever smell the coffee. Lol

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Well at least you know you're unelectable. I don't think the dem politicians will ever smell the coffee. Lol

I think it depends on where you live. That would never fly in the southeast but that also applies to a lot of other issues besides guns. History is littered with southern Dems who were soft on guns and still didn't get elected.

 

[Beasty]

I think it depends on where you live. That would never fly in the southeast but that also applies to a lot of other issues besides guns. History is littered with southern Dems who were soft on guns and still didn't get elected.

Like who?? When it comes to guns Dems are like a nagging girlfriend you can't wait to get away from and never have to hear her voice again. Lol.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Like who?? When it comes to guns Dems are like a nagging girlfriend you can't wait to get away from and never have to hear her voice again. Lol.

For starters, try John Barrow. Hell, you can do the same for any number of southern white Democrats who've lost their seats over the past few years. They try to go Republican-lite and still end up losing to actual Republicans. Gun control is a very small part of why Dems struggle in the rural South these days.

 

[Beasty]

For starters, try John Barrow. Hell, you can do the same for any number of southern white Democrats who've lost their seats over the past few years. They try to go Republican-lite and still end up losing to actual Republicans. Gun control is a very small part of why Dems struggle in the rural South these days.

I'll look him up but let's not ignore the reason why the dem senator from west VA is actually successful in a red state or why Gore actually lost his home state to Bush even tho he was an incumbent vice pres to a popular president. There are plenty of people that don't care for politics that just vote because they don't want to hear complaining about guns. #fact.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

I'll look him up but let's not ignore the reason why the dem senator from west VA is actually successful in a red state or why Gore actually lost his home state to Bush even tho he was an incumbent vice pres to a popular president. There are plenty of people that don't care for politics that just vote because they don't want to hear complaining about guns. #fact.

Maybe so, but trying to make it sound like Dems would have the south on lock if they just embraced limitless gun rights is ignoring the fact that the GOP's stranglehold on the south has as much to do with economic issues and even more to do with social issues as it does with guns. Hell, a Dem can be pro-gun, anti-gay marriage and anti-minimum wage increases and still have an uphill battle.

Hell, one of John Barrow's last campaign commercials was about how much he loved hunting and how much he loved guns. Still didn't stop him from losing to a Republican in the general election.

When given a choice between a Republican and a Republican, voters are gonna go with the Republican every single time without fail. No one's gonna vote GOP-lite when they can just vote GOP and call it a day.

 

[Beasty]

Maybe so, but trying to make it sound like Dems would have the south on lock if they just embraced limitless gun rights is ignoring the fact that the GOP's stranglehold on the south has as much to do with economic issues and even more to do with social issues as it does with guns. Hell, a Dem can be pro-gun, anti-gay marriage and anti-minimum wage increases and still have an uphill battle.

Hell, one of John Barrow's last campaign commercials was about how much he loved hunting and how much he loved guns. Still didn't stop him from losing to a Republican in the general election.

When given a choice between a Republican and a Republican, voters are gonna go with the Republican every single time without fail. No one's gonna vote GOP-lite when they can just vote GOP and call it a day.

Its not about economic issues when the GOP rarely if ever have an economic plan. Most of the supporters are economically ignorant. That's were the Dems have an opportunity to educate yet no one wants to hear what they say because the gun talk turns them off beforehand.
I'm not trying to make it seem like the dems would have the south on lock. They don't have west VA on lock, the senator from there is simply maximizing his options instead of going for the all or nothing approach which often yeilds nothing. Don't shoot yourself in the foot is the simple point I'm making.

Not shooting yourself in the foot has never guaranteed anything, but that doesn't mean that you should shoot yourself.. ....lol

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Its not about economic issues when the GOP rarely if ever have an economic plan. Most of the supporters are economically ignorant. That's were the Dems have an opportunity to educate yet no one wants to hear what they say because the gun talk turns them off beforehand.
I'm not trying to make it seem like the dems would have the south on lock. They don't have west VA on lock, the senator from there is simply maximizing his options instead of going for the all or nothing approach which often yeilds nothing. Don't shoot yourself in the foot is the simple point I'm making.

Not shooting yourself in the foot has never guaranteed anything, but that doesn't mean that you should shoot yourself.. ....lol

They don't need a plan, at least not in Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, etc. All they have to do is talk about taxes and they win elections because "low taxes" are a thinly-veiled code for "no handouts for those people." They've got better branding than Dems despite having worse actual ideas.

As long as the GOP can make anything Democrats have to say on the economy into a battle about who wants to cut taxes the most, Dems are going to keep losing.

 

[Beasty]

They don't need a plan, at least not in Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, etc. All they have to do is talk about taxes and they win elections because "low taxes" are a thinly-veiled code for "no handouts for those people." They've got better branding than Dems despite having worse actual ideas.

As long as the GOP can make anything Democrats have to say on the economy into a battle about who wants to cut taxes the most, Dems are going to keep losing.

Well the racists are going to vote for republicans regardless. I'm not suggesting for the dems to try to win over racists. Believe it or not some people just don't want the constant nagging or restrictions on guns. Many of which are not racists. Especially if they live in a somewhat rural area.

What person lives in a country environment doesn't enjoy target practice every now and then when they are not riding 4 wheelers, cooking out and drinking beer?? Not to mention if they ever do need the police they could be waiting long enough to be dead. They are not giving up those guns, and many of them are not racists. I've lived in the country parts of NC myself and seen it first hand. IR was even common and accepted where I was. Not everyone fits in that box.

 

[Bliss]

Sooo...does this shift into the conspiracy area...what's going on?

Sheriff keeps changing the time-line..now this...
He's vanished...

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Published October 16, 2017
Las Vegas guard Jesus Campos vanished after visiting urgent-care clinic, union leader says
By Fox News

The Mandalay Bay security guard who disappeared last week moments before he was scheduled to break his silence in television interviews has not been seen since he went to a walk-in health clinic, his union president said.


David Hickey of the Security, Police, and Fire Professionals of America (SPFPA) told reporters Friday that he got a text the night before saying Jesus Campos was taken to a UMC Quick Care facility, though he did not specify where or whom the text came from.

A spokesperson at the UMC Quick Care, which has eight locations throughout the Las Vegas area, told Fox News on Monday that they had "heard nothing" about Campos visiting them.

Multiple requests from Fox News for SPFPA to comment on the matter were not returned Monday.


Hickey said he was meeting with MGM officials Thursday afternoon in the hours before Campos’ scheduled television appearances, including one with Fox News.

LAS VEGAS SECURITY GUARD JESUS CAMPOS DISAPPEARS MOMENTS BEFORE TV INTERVIEWS

But when the meeting ended, Campos had fled.

"For the past four days he's been preparing ... we had a meeting with MGM officials, and after that meeting was over, we talked about the interviews, we went to a private area, and when we came out, Mr. Campos was gone," Hickey told reporters, according to Fox 5 Las Vegas.

Hickey said Campos had requested to go public and wanted to tell his story and move on from the Oct. 1 shooting investigation. Police say he was shot just before the crazed gunman killed 58 at music festival on the Las Vegas Strip – though the sequence of events is still in dispute.

Campos was last photographed in public on Oct. 10, accepting an “SPFPA Hero Award” for bravery in the line of duty, while dining with Hickey and others at a high-end Vegas steakhouse. But soon afterward, investigators said that the security guard was shot before the massacre, raising questions about whether the hotel did enough to prevent the bloodshed.

Hickey has said that before he vanished, Campus was looking forward to telling his side of the story.

"Right now I'm just concerned where my member is, and what his condition is. It's highly unusual,” Hickey said Friday. “I'm hoping everything is OK with him and I'm sure MGM or the union will let (media) know when we hear something," he said.

(@blackbull1970 ...isnt this in your city?)