Michigan Mother Disappears From Late Night Shift

Gorath said:
I hope that this woman is found alive and safe. TDK's argument has validity. There is this saying in the media business that goes, "If it bleeds, it leads." Young white women who turn up missing are favored in the media. All others end up on posters and milk cartons. If they are on television, it is a short paragraph an available picture. It becomes a crapshoot for the media and a sterile competition among networks. I recall Natalee Holloway. Her face and name were everywhere. Yet, there were reports of other young women who were missing. But, Natalee was at the top. I hope all of the missing of all sexes and races are found alive.
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Excellent point/hope.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
If you want to preach to the masses and get them to listen
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And this reason is why no one wants to listen. No one is here to be preached to by anyone about anything. Sharing your views & opinions, all fair game. Once it becomes clear you're here in an attempt to convert others to your way of thinking & viewing the world, you're now trying to squeeze water out of a rock. :roll:
 
I understand what you were trying to do. If you post anything in here that requires people to actually discuss double standards many will avoid it. Granted, people may avoid it knowing the "poop storm" that comes from disagreeing or having a slightly different point of view, but that is the risk some will take and many won't. I don't find the title as distasteful as much as I see the situation utilized to raise bigger questions. However, the same could easily be said for the way the media uses every single solitary racially charged incident to their advantage.

The point is that we aren't the media. So, I guess people expect you to word things differently. I have seen plenty of examples where things could have been worded differently and come across as downright racist. But, I think the way things work, at least in this forum, is that you can't make an offensive title to a topic. But, the offensive comments in the thread are looked at subjectively as opposed to objectively? I do see your point a little bit better in regards to getting people to actually talk vs. saying the random comments.

I personally feel that, although this is a race and culture based forum, people prefer to talk about the positive aspects of race relations vs. negatives (granted this depends on the subject). I know that these things piss you off and quite frankly they piss me off as well. But, certain kinds of people wont listen to you unless you sugar coat it with cherries on top. Not all people are like this, but this is a very small community on this forum. The if you think of the lifestyles, opinions, perspectives, and backgrounds of most of the people in this forum, it is rather safe to say that few will understand your point. Even fewer will reply with genuine concern and input (depending on the subject of course). Just take it with a grain of salt.

If you are angry, use it as fuel, if you are weary, use it to reflect, if you are fed up, then find a way to make a change. Because at the end of the day, you are a black man and even if your opinion doesn't mean much to the few here, it means a whole hell of a lot to other Blacks who are equally justifiably angry. So, to recap, people have a right to be offended by the title or the way you went about it. But, you also have a right to be offended by the response as well. Funny how that works, huh?
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I've started this post several times in an attempt to articulate properly the point that I want to make and the emotion I feel. I speak for myself, but I know from comments some have made to me privately, that I'm not alone in my thinking.

Part of the outrage over how this topic was handled is due to the fact that some forget that half the audience on this forum is white, therefore, we are part of the "problem", albeit indirectly. Most of the injustices agains BP are committed by WP. I think we would all agree that it is incredibly unfair and sad, that a white mother's abduction makes national headlines while a black mother's may not make it past her hometown newspaper. But it's a slam to the women here when topics such as this are presented in a sarcastic way.

I agree that the underlying topic is one to be discussed. But how it is discussed is the issue. I am not one to tell a black man or woman not to be angry or frustrated or to forget the past and get over it. Largely because it's not just in the past - injustice exists in the here and now, as this situation demonstrates. But the women here are part of the solution. We choose to date, marry and love black men. We can't empathize but we sympathize with you. So when things are presented in the manner that this thread was, and when things are discussed as they are in the discourse above, with barely concealed contempt, that's a slap in the face to the women of this forum.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
I understand what you were trying to do. If you post anything in here that requires people to actually discuss double standards many will avoid it. Granted, people may avoid it knowing the "poop storm" that comes from disagreeing or having a slightly different point of view, but that is the risk some will take and many won't. I don't find the title as distasteful as much as I see the situation utilized to raise bigger questions. However, the same could easily be said for the way the media uses every single solitary racially charged incident to their advantage.
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Indeed.

I think TDK has some valid points. What I think is a sensitive issue, is that the "fuel for debate" are the sensitive issues themselves. Also the timing, no one wants hear about racially charged issues when the issue is ongoing. TDk did express empathy and sympathy, he said he hopes he girl is ok, but for some, that doesn't change the fact that the racial disparity exists. When? Where? How? would you broach he subject that TDK is pointing out, so as not to be insensitive at all those that don't agree?

Personally, I think TDK's timing was off a bit, maybe in a few days or few weeks, but not while the initial occurrence is happening. The tile I never saw, but it never helps to be insensitive and overly sarcastic with a situation such as this one.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
I've started this post several times in an attempt to articulate properly the point that I want to make and the emotion I feel. I speak for myself, but I know from comments some have made to me privately, that I'm not alone in my thinking.

Part of the outrage over how this topic was handled is due to the fact that some forget that half the audience on this forum is white, therefore, we are part of the "problem", albeit indirectly. Most of the injustices agains BP are committed by WP. I think we would all agree that it is incredibly unfair and sad, that a white mother's abduction makes national headlines while a black mother's may not make it past her hometown newspaper. But it's a slam to the women here when topics such as this are presented in a sarcastic way.

I agree that the underlying topic is one to be discussed. But how it is discussed is the issue. I am not one to tell a black man or woman not to be angry or frustrated or to forget the past and get over it. Largely because it's not just in the past - injustice exists in the here and now, as this situation demonstrates. But the women here are part of the solution. We choose to date, marry and love black men. We can't empathize but we sympathize with you. So when things are presented in the manner that this thread was, and when things are discussed as they are in the discourse above, with barely concealed contempt, that's a slap in the face to the women of this forum.
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+100 Chesbaygrl7!!

Communication is incumbent on the one doing the speaking, NOT the listener. So if I the listener of reasonable intelligence miss YOUR message, that problem is on YOU, not me.

How someone says something is just as important as what they're saying.
This thread topic was a textbook lesson in poor execution.

THeoretically we aren't all strangers; this is supposed to be a community.
Demonizing or vilifying ALL White women, unintentionally or not, for how they're portrayed in the media, no fault of their own, is absolutely wrong.

That may not have been TDK's intent, but when I read his early posts in this thread, what I heard was him blaming this victimized White woman for her own media coverage.:|

The problem isn't that the plight of WW who are victims of violent crimes or abductions is given priority in the media; what's wrong is that so few women from other minority groups are afforded that same coverage.

Don't blame the victim.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
I've started this post several times in an attempt to articulate properly the point that I want to make and the emotion I feel. I speak for myself, but I know from comments some have made to me privately, that I'm not alone in my thinking.

Part of the outrage over how this topic was handled is due to the fact that some forget that half the audience on this forum is white, therefore, we are part of the "problem", albeit indirectly. Most of the injustices agains BP are committed by WP. I think we would all agree that it is incredibly unfair and sad, that a white mother's abduction makes national headlines while a black mother's may not make it past her hometown newspaper. But it's a slam to the women here when topics such as this are presented in a sarcastic way.

I agree that the underlying topic is one to be discussed. But how it is discussed is the issue. I am not one to tell a black man or woman not to be angry or frustrated or to forget the past and get over it. Largely because it's not just in the past - injustice exists in the here and now, as this situation demonstrates. But the women here are part of the solution. We choose to date, marry and love black men. We can't empathize but we sympathize with you. So when things are presented in the manner that this thread was, and when things are discussed as they are in the discourse above, with barely concealed contempt, that's a slap in the face to the women of this forum.
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andreboba said:
+100 Chesbaygrl7!!

Communication is incumbent on the one doing the speaking, NOT the listener. So if I the listener of reasonable intelligence miss YOUR message, that problem is on YOU, not me.

How someone says something is just as important as what they're saying.
This thread topic was a textbook lesson in poor execution.

THeoretically we aren't all strangers; this is supposed to be a community.
Demonizing or vilifying ALL White women, unintentionally or not, for how they're portrayed in the media, no fault of their own, is absolutely wrong.

That may not have been TDK's intent, but when I read his early posts in this thread, what I heard was him blaming this victimized White woman for her own media coverage.:|

The problem isn't that the plight of WW who are victims of violent crimes or abductions is given priority in the media; what's wrong is that so few women from other minority groups are afforded that same coverage.

Don't blame the victim.
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I do recognize the role that the white woman plays in this forum. I don't know how TDk, or any other black man on this site feels, but my sentiment is this:

You are our women, you are apart of us, an extension of myself now. An egregious act against me, is against you as well. I know Ches, you are saying that these comments are going against you. I know your white, so your automatically connected with one side, and I'm black and I’m automatically connected to one side. This hard to explain, but bear with me. When I chose to engage with a white women, we become so much more than just white and black. Those "colors," fuel the beauty in this/that type of relationship, but again, we become so much more. Even in this cyber setting, we come together on this board, we are automatically on a higher plane. M problems yours, yours mine, and when I/we speak, it's from a stance that you already know (because you have chosen to enter into this higher plane).

If and when I have a partner, when someone calls her a cracker, they call me a cracker. I'll ride out for her as if I was white and someone called me a cracker. When there is a more complex issue such as this one, we will speak as one against the “wrong” party.
 
FRESH said:
I do recognize the role that the white woman plays in this forum. I don't know how TDk, or any other black man on this site feels, but my sentiment is this:

You are our women, you are apart of us, an extension of myself now. An egregious act against me, is against you as well. I know Ches, you are saying that these comments are going against you. I know your white, so your automatically connected with one side, and I'm black and I’m automatically connected to one side. This hard to explain, but bear with me. When I chose to engage with a white women, we become so much more than just white and black. Those "colors," fuel the beauty in this/that type of relationship, but again, we become so much more. Even in this cyber setting, we come together on this board, we are automatically on a higher plane. M problems yours, yours mine, and when I/we speak, it's from a stance that you already know (because you have chosen to enter into this higher plane).If and when I have a partner, when someone calls her a cracker, they call me a cracker. I'll ride out for her as if I was white and someone called me a cracker. When there is a more complex issue such as this one, we will speak as one against the “wrong” party.
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And this is how I feel as well. So I'm lead to think, perhaps those who make comments in a certain way also include us women as "one of the guys" so to speak. I will give the benefit of the doubt. They don't realize how the manner of speaking affects the audience.

Or do they?
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
And this is how I feel as well. So I'm lead to think, perhaps those who make comments in a certain way also include us women as "one of the guys" so to speak. I will give the benefit of the doubt. They don't realize how the manner of speaking affects the audience.

Or do they?
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This I don't know.

One of the guys no. Very friendly, yes, but definitely not one of the guys. There is way to much sexual innuendo, flirting, talking, wanking, rubbing on this forum to say we are best pals. I mean, tbear is my friend, and we can be friends forever, but I'm going to fuck my friend one of these days.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
I've started this post several times in an attempt to articulate properly the point that I want to make and the emotion I feel. I speak for myself, but I know from comments some have made to me privately, that I'm not alone in my thinking.

Part of the outrage over how this topic was handled is due to the fact that some forget that half the audience on this forum is white, therefore, we are part of the "problem", albeit indirectly. Most of the injustices agains BP are committed by WP. I think we would all agree that it is incredibly unfair and sad, that a white mother's abduction makes national headlines while a black mother's may not make it past her hometown newspaper. But it's a slam to the women here when topics such as this are presented in a sarcastic way.

I agree that the underlying topic is one to be discussed. But how it is discussed is the issue. I am not one to tell a black man or woman not to be angry or frustrated or to forget the past and get over it. Largely because it's not just in the past - injustice exists in the here and now, as this situation demonstrates. But the women here are part of the solution. We choose to date, marry and love black men. We can't empathize but we sympathize with you. So when things are presented in the manner that this thread was, and when things are discussed as they are in the discourse above, with barely concealed contempt, that's a slap in the face to the women of this forum.
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andreboba said:
+100 Chesbaygrl7!!

Communication is incumbent on the one doing the speaking, NOT the listener. So if I the listener of reasonable intelligence miss YOUR message, that problem is on YOU, not me.

How someone says something is just as important as what they're saying.
This thread topic was a textbook lesson in poor execution.

THeoretically we aren't all strangers; this is supposed to be a community.
Demonizing or vilifying ALL White women, unintentionally or not, for how they're portrayed in the media, no fault of their own, is absolutely wrong.

That may not have been TDK's intent, but when I read his early posts in this thread, what I heard was him blaming this victimized White woman for her own media coverage.:|

The problem isn't that the plight of WW who are victims of violent crimes or abductions is given priority in the media; what's wrong is that so few women from other minority groups are afforded that same coverage.

Don't blame the victim.
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FRESH said:
I do recognize the role that the white woman plays in this forum. I don't know how TDk, or any other black man on this site feels, but my sentiment is this:

You are our women, you are apart of us, an extension of myself now. An egregious act against me, is against you as well. I know Ches, you are saying that these comments are going against you. I know your white, so your automatically connected with one side, and I'm black and I’m automatically connected to one side. This hard to explain, but bear with me. When I chose to engage with a white women, we become so much more than just white and black. Those "colors," fuel the beauty in this/that type of relationship, but again, we become so much more. Even in this cyber setting, we come together on this board, we are automatically on a higher plane. M problems yours, yours mine, and when I/we speak, it's from a stance that you already know (because you have chosen to enter into this higher plane).

If and when I have a partner, when someone calls her a cracker, they call me a cracker. I'll ride out for her as if I was white and someone called me a cracker. When there is a more complex issue such as this one, we will speak as one against the “wrong” party.
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very well stated Chesy,

people who try so hard to be the "pro-black man" go about hurting the people that are for/love them.

i said this before and people got mad.....you can be pro____(fill in the blank)___ and still have love for everyone. check you mouth before you open it. you do have to be cognizant of other peoples feelings.

I said this before and people got mad and now it is in our face and we are discussing it. thank goodness.

it is time we start being adults and realizing there are other people in the world besides you/me.

soon we will not have any ww here but just a bunch of BM jacking off to pics
 
I see a lot views from well respected active members, I'd like to see some more repsonses on this.
 
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