MISS IRELAND dating A NIGERIAN -racists pissed!

[flaminghetero]

I'm sorry but I have to say, for a self-proclaimed educated man, that is a very narrow-minded erroneous perspective to maintain throughout adulthood.

I've heard it before however, and it always baffles me.

Comments like 'all Indians are super-smart' for example, yet this is only because the ones we encounter in the States are well-educated and successful, and from a more privileged background in India. Otherwise they wouldn't be here.

Of course such notions play to the ego of those being complimented, and it's an illusion they'd love to maintain, but the reality is lack of education is a major problem in India. Alongside wide-spread poverty, child slavery, and serious class divisions. It's no better in parts of Africa. Hell, it's worse in most.

The thing is, people with the ability to legally travel abroad, especially with the resources to remain abroad for the purpose of higher education, tend to be in a better position than those that cannot.

Is it a wonder that they are successful?

The fact of the matter is, there are those same people in, say Kenya for example, that cannot 'make it work'. They cannot even afford to leave, and follow your fathers blessed example. That are involved in the despicable rapes, child-labor, and other abuses of children that Kenya itself acknowledges is a rampant problem (see: Children’s Act 2001).

Am I to believe that because there are successful Kenyans in America, all Kenyans are successful and educated?

Are we even supposed to entertain the thought that every person in the country of your fathers birth right now is successful as he is, or will be?

That the prisons there are empty? That there is no poverty? High illiteracy rates? Gang violence? Political violence? Corruption?

That most of Africa is in a sorry state right now due to poverty, disease, tribal warfare, AIDS, exploitation and greed?

That they can afford to turn away the aid of successful Black celebrities?

The truth is your father simply falls into the category of being a successful African man among the unsuccessful ones. He isn't the absolute rule, but rather more of an exception in terms of viewing Africa as a whole.

There are plenty of African-Americans who also fall under that category as well (me for example), and if they had a stronger presence abroad, foreigners who'd never been to America could easily get the impression that all African-Americans were as intelligent and successful as the travelers/students they encountered.

It really is that simple.

As you acknowledged, it wasn't like this for Blacks in America for 'hundreds of years' in spite of what your family believes, and incoming African immigrants reap the benefits of those Blacks in America that fought and died for the right to drink from a decent fountain. Generational poverty, racism, and discrimination has taken a toll on the Black families in the United States.

It goes beyond Jim Crow.

Success sometimes can get to a persons head. It sad though, when Blacks try and set up yet another 'superiority barrier' amongst themselves when the truth is, we are mostly seen as all being in the same family anyway.

When will the 'paper-bag' test be reinstated, I wonder?

:-?

- Daft

:smt038:smt038:smt038

 

[The Dark King]

I'm sorry but I have to say, for a self-proclaimed educated man, that is a very narrow-minded erroneous perspective to maintain throughout adulthood.

I've heard it before however, and it always baffles me.

Comments like 'all Indians are super-smart' for example, yet this is only because the ones we encounter in the States are well-educated and successful, and from a more privileged background in India. Otherwise they wouldn't be here.

Of course such notions play to the ego of those being complimented, and it's an illusion they'd love to maintain, but the reality is lack of education is a major problem in India. Alongside wide-spread poverty, child slavery, and serious class divisions. It's no better in parts of Africa. Hell, it's worse in most.

The thing is, people with the ability to legally travel abroad, especially with the resources to remain abroad for the purpose of higher education, tend to be in a better position than those that cannot.

Is it a wonder that they are successful?

The fact of the matter is, there are those same people in, say Kenya for example, that cannot 'make it work'. They cannot even afford to leave, and follow your fathers blessed example. That are involved in the despicable rapes, child-labor, and other abuses of children that Kenya itself acknowledges is a rampant problem (see: Children’s Act 2001).

Am I to believe that because there are successful Kenyans in America, all Kenyans are successful and educated?

Are we even supposed to entertain the thought that every person in the country of your fathers birth right now is successful as he is, or will be?

That the prisons there are empty? That there is no poverty? High illiteracy rates? Gang violence? Political violence? Corruption?

That most of Africa is in a sorry state right now due to poverty, disease, tribal warfare, AIDS, exploitation and greed?

That they can afford to turn away the aid of successful Black celebrities?

The truth is your father simply falls into the category of being a successful African man among the unsuccessful ones. He isn't the absolute rule, but rather more of an exception in terms of viewing Africa as a whole.

There are plenty of African-Americans who also fall under that category as well (me for example), and if they had a stronger presence abroad, foreigners who'd never been to America could easily get the impression that all African-Americans were as intelligent and successful as the travelers/students they encountered.

It really is that simple.

As you acknowledged, it wasn't like this for Blacks in America for 'hundreds of years' in spite of what your family believes, and incoming African immigrants reap the benefits of those Blacks in America that fought and died for the right to drink from a decent fountain. Generational poverty, racism, and discrimination has taken a toll on the Black families in the United States.

It goes beyond Jim Crow.

Success sometimes can get to a persons head. It sad though, when Blacks try and set up yet another 'superiority barrier' amongst themselves when the truth is, we are mostly seen as all being in the same family anyway.

When will the 'paper-bag' test be reinstated, I wonder?

:-?

- Daft

Did you actually read what I wrote? I never implied that all Kenyans (even though I'm Jamaican and used my Jamaican family as example) or any other groupl was superior to anyone. Your example of Indians coming to this country doing well in comparison to their impoverished brethren was horrible.

1. My family was very poverty stricken when entering this country. They cleaned homes and drove cabs. My father didn't go to college until he was 31 and worked his way through without scholarships or aide because he wasn't aware that was available to him. So the rich family back at home supporting you through school doesn't apply. Try again.

2. If you actually read what I wrote I said that I think many immigrants come here and fail to understand the effect that slavery and jim crow had on black people here so its not as simple as they may think because they're fighting horrible mental barriers. Did you copy and paste that response because I don't think you know how to read that well. If you did that dumb ass response would have never been typed.

3. Fuck all you cosigning lame niggas.

 

[z]

I wrote I said that I think many immigrants come here and fail to understand the effect that slavery and jim crow had on black people here so its not as simple as they may think because they're fighting horrible mental barriers. Did you copy and paste that response because I don't think you know how to read that well. If you did that dumb ass response would have never been typed.

I don't think he was trying to take a shot at you. The way I read it, he was pretty much saying the same thing as you've kinda said earlier.
Anyhoo, the msg was- it is not right for foreigners blk to look down on African Americans, at the end of the day the MAN look at us and treat us the same anyway, I think that was the take home msg.
The WM has been doing divide and conguer for hundreds of years, so it ain't new. You got to have UNITY in the community to beat and take down the MAN, you know what am I sayin'? lol.

 

[The Dark King]

I don't think he was trying to take a shot at you. The way I read it, he was pretty much saying the same thing as you've kinda said earlier.
Anyhoo, the msg was- it is not right for foreigners blk to look down on African Americans, at the end of the day the MAN look at us and treat us the same anyway, I think that was the take home msg.
The WM has been doing divide and conguer for hundreds of years, so it ain't new. You got to have UNITY in the community to beat and take down the MAN, you know what am I sayin'? lol.

I agree thats what we need to do but homeboy tried to disect what I didn't say. You can tell when he kept refering to my dad as the lucky Kenyan who got out. Suspect to me fam.

 

[Dafty Puck]

Did you actually read what I wrote?

Of course I did.

I never implied that all Kenyans (even though I'm Jamaican and used my Jamaican family as example) or any other groupl was superior to anyone.

I think you misread my comment actually. I wasn't saying at ALL that you believed those things. This was about the African immigrants you mentioned with a superiority complex and your fathers belief that partially reflects that same complex, remember?

I choose my words carefully, but if at any point there was the implication that this was directed at you, my apologies.

I also used Kenya and India as examples. The examples were based on the same line of thought that I have come across from people that believe ALL Indians/Africans/(*Other) are smart and successful based on the ones they tend to come across and with very little context.

I don't see how such an example is horrible, when Indian/Afriacn scholars and politicians have pointed out the very problems I mentioned plague those places today.

The overall sentiments of my post in regards to Black(or 'person of color') immigrant superiority complexes of course applies to Jamaica as well.

To me, maintaining and promoting such bigoted notions are what is really horrible.

1. My family was very poverty stricken when entering this country.
They cleaned homes and drove cabs. Try again.

I never said your family was rich or lazy, nor did I say all immigrants are wealthy. Try and read through my post again, you missed a lot.

Look for 'qualifiers'.

The broader point remains, however.

Those able to 'legally' travel abroad tend to be in a better position than those that cannot afford to. Otherwise, we'd see a lot more people from certain areas of the world coming into the States for a better life if it were that simple.

The fact that your father was able to come here, or even those immigrants in my own family, says a lot. Not necessarily that he was rich, but you don't have to be, in order to be in a better state or have more options than those around you.

2. If you actually read what I wrote I said that I think many immigrants come here and fail to understand the effect that slavery and jim crow had on black people here

I already acknowledged you said that in my own post.
I'm now wondering if you actually read it.

Again, the post wasn't even specifically about you or what you believed but rather the immigrants you mentioned and your family that subscribed to the same level of smugness, while disregarding the reality that there are some Blacks that are successful and some that aren't.

It's that simple and it's the same for Jamaica or any other country.

Not sure how you turned it into an attack, but I am sorry you saw it that way.

:smt102

- Daft

 

[Dafty Puck]

I don't think he was trying to take a shot at you. The way I read it, he was pretty much saying the same thing as you've kinda said earlier.

You are correct.
I was sure I worded it that way, too.

Now I am a bit confused by the reaction, but oh well.

Thanks,

- Daft

 

[The Dark King]

I'm sorry but I have to say, for a self-proclaimed educated man, that is a very narrow-minded erroneous perspective to maintain throughout adulthood.I've heard it before however, and it always baffles me.

Whose the self proclaimed educated man you're referring to?

Comments like 'all Indians are super-smart' for example, yet this is only because the ones we encounter in the States are well-educated and successful, and from a more privileged background in India. Otherwise they wouldn't be here.

I can't speak about Indians but my grandma came in the 70s and my dad in the late 70s and they did it the old fashion get a work visa way. Ain't shit about their lives in Jamaica was privileged. They could barely rub too pennies together and that was pretty much the stories of the Jamaican immigrants I grew up around. They were the Mexicans of today taking jobs NO ONE else wanted and worked their way up. No rich mommmy and daddy funding their education here.

Of course such notions play to the ego of those being complimented, and it's an illusion they'd love to maintain, but the reality is lack of education is a major problem in India. Alongside wide-spread poverty, child slavery, and serious class divisions. It's no better in parts of Africa. Hell, it's worse in most.

This part I agree with.

The thing is, people with the ability to legally travel abroad, especially with the resources to remain abroad for the purpose of higher education, tend to be in a better position than those that cannot.

Is it a wonder that they are successful?

This is false and I mentioned why earlier. The reason a lot of them are successful is they come from really shitty places and they don't want to go back. Period the end. Knock off the propoganda fam.


The fact of the matter is, there are those same people in, say Kenya for example, that cannot 'make it work'. They cannot even afford to leave, and follow your fathers blessed example. That are involved in the despicable rapes, child-labor, and other abuses of children that Kenya itself acknowledges is a rampant problem (see: Children’s Act 2001).

Am I to believe that because there are successful Kenyans in America, all Kenyans are successful and educated?

Are we even supposed to entertain the thought that every person in the country of your fathers birth right now is successful as he is, or will be?

That the prisons there are empty? That there is no poverty? High illiteracy rates? Gang violence? Political violence? Corruption?

That most of Africa is in a sorry state right now due to poverty, disease, tribal warfare, AIDS, exploitation and greed?

That they can afford to turn away the aid of successful Black celebrities?

The truth is your father simply falls into the category of being a successful African man among the unsuccessful ones. He isn't the absolute rule, but rather more of an exception in terms of viewing Africa as a whole.

There are plenty of African-Americans who also fall under that category as well (me for example), and if they had a stronger presence abroad, foreigners who'd never been to America could easily get the impression that all African-Americans were as intelligent and successful as the travelers/students they encountered.

It really is that simple.

As you acknowledged, it wasn't like this for Blacks in America for 'hundreds of years' in spite of what your family believes, and incoming African immigrants reap the benefits of those Blacks in America that fought and died for the right to drink from a decent fountain. Generational poverty, racism, and discrimination has taken a toll on the Black families in the United States.

It goes beyond Jim Crow.

Success sometimes can get to a persons head. It sad though, when Blacks try and set up yet another 'superiority barrier' amongst themselves when the truth is, we are mostly seen as all being in the same family anyway.

When will the 'paper-bag' test be reinstated, I wonder?

:-?

- Daft

I'm done I said my piece.

 

[Dafty Puck]

Whose the self proclaimed educated man you're referring to?

Your father of course.

You said that he came here and educated himself, but didn't know why there are plenty of Blacks that haven't. Partially playing into the African Immigrant superiority complex you mention.

I can't speak about Indians but my grandma came in the 70s and my dad in the late 70s and they did it the old fashion get a work visa way. Ain't shit about their lives in Jamaica was privileged. They could barely rub too pennies together and that was pretty much the stories of the Jamaican immigrants I grew up around. They were the Mexicans of today taking jobs NO ONE else wanted and worked their way up. No rich mommmy and daddy funding their education here.

I hear you.

Blacks have been shinning shoes and cleaning toilets long before your parents arrived.

My Black American parents were poor, on welfare, in the projects, yet I (and eventually them too) was able to "make it" in terms of education and career.

My point was that your father needs to recognize that he isn't the only person of color that can 'make it' through difficult situations in the U.S., and yes there are plenty of Black Americans that haven't...but then again...there are also plenty of Jamaicans.

We're not that different, so no need to beat our chests when we 'come up' Jefferson style.

This is false and I mentioned why earlier. The reason a lot of them are successful is they come from really shitty places and they don't want to go back. Period the end. Knock off the propoganda fam.

Hardly.

Being one step above the average person isn't just measured in monetary gains. It can be based in will and spirit.

Your parents were one up on the Jamaicans that wanted to come here but couldn't. You cannot deny that fact. I know plenty of Jamaicans and Trinidadians that have told me how tough they had it. How many friends wanted to be here but couldn't be.

If any poor person from a third-world country could come here legally, all persons from a third world country would come here legally.

Ask yourself...why can't they?

What separates those who do, from those who don't?

Could it be related to what separates successful Blacks from those that aren't?

Even still, there are PLENTY of immigrants coming here from countries that are impoverished but their families are considered wealthy even by those terms.

Knock off the 'poor immigrant' propaganda, because it doesn't always apply.

I'm done I said my piece.

Well...okay then.
I think this was a pretty civil discussion, but fair enough.

Peace...

- Daft

 

[APPIAH]

I don't think he was trying to take a shot at you. The way I read it, he was pretty much saying the same thing as you've kinda said earlier.
Anyhoo, the msg was- it is not right for foreigners blk to look down on African Americans, at the end of the day the MAN look at us and treat us the same anyway, I think that was the take home msg.
The WM has been doing divide and conguer for hundreds of years, so it ain't new. You got to have UNITY in the community to beat and take down the MAN, you know what am I sayin'? lol.

And it is right for African Americans to be mean to Africans? I tell you some of you make worse comments than white people and i have had some made to me here by way of rep or blatantly here calling me savage and all that shit so please don't make it look as if you guys i mean African Americans are saints and i have realized children of black non-African immigrants who were born here don't normally do that but its rather the slave descendants who do that smh

 

[flaminghetero]

And it is right for African Americans to be mean to Africans? I tell you some of you make worse comments than white people and i have had some made to me here by way of rep or blatantly here calling me savage and all that shit so please don't make it look as if you guys i mean African Americans are saints and i have realized children of black non-African immigrants who were born here don't normally do that but its rather the slave descendants who do that smh

As if Africans don't come here kissing white folks asses and calling us cottonpickers.

 

[flaminghetero]

Of course I did.



I think you misread my comment actually. I wasn't saying at ALL that you believed those things. This was about the African immigrants you mentioned with a superiority complex and your fathers belief that partially reflects that same complex, remember?

I choose my words carefully, but if at any point there was the implication that this was directed at you, my apologies.

I also used Kenya and India as examples. The examples were based on the same line of thought that I have come across from people that believe ALL Indians/Africans/(*Other) are smart and successful based on the ones they tend to come across and with very little context.

I don't see how such an example is horrible, when Indian/Afriacn scholars and politicians have pointed out the very problems I mentioned plague those places today.

The overall sentiments of my post in regards to Black(or 'person of color') immigrant superiority complexes of course applies to Jamaica as well.

To me, maintaining and promoting such bigoted notions are what is really horrible.



I never said your family was rich or lazy, nor did I say all immigrants are wealthy. Try and read through my post again, you missed a lot.

Look for 'qualifiers'.

The broader point remains, however.

Those able to 'legally' travel abroad tend to be in a better position than those that cannot afford to. Otherwise, we'd see a lot more people from certain areas of the world coming into the States for a better life if it were that simple.

The fact that your father was able to come here, or even those immigrants in my own family, says a lot. Not necessarily that he was rich, but you don't have to be, in order to be in a better state or have more options than those around you.



I already acknowledged you said that in my own post.
I'm now wondering if you actually read it.

Again, the post wasn't even specifically about you or what you believed but rather the immigrants you mentioned and your family that subscribed to the same level of smugness, while disregarding the reality that there are some Blacks that are successful and some that aren't.

It's that simple and it's the same for Jamaica or any other country.

Not sure how you turned it into an attack, but I am sorry you saw it that way.

:smt102

- Daft

:smt038:smt038:smt038

 

[APPIAH]

As if Africans don't come here kissing white folks asses and calling us cottonpickers.

Please post the link of any African calling you a cotton picker here and if you don't literally mean here but in America please post the video at least i can post the link of some dumb niggas who made snide remarks about Africans here.

 

[pettyofficerj]

he may as well be a cotton picker

that's the only thing he's good at:smt023

 

[flaminghetero]

Please post the link of any African calling you a cotton picker here and if you don't literally mean here but in America please post the video at least i can post the link of some dumb niggas who made snide remarks about Africans here.

Evidently you're a dumb nigga yourself.

 

[APPIAH]

Evidently you're a dumb nigga yourself.

Well if you think someone who says "get back to your hut" or "go swing on some trees" is smart, then you are dense because that person is a dumb nigga.

 

[flaminghetero]

Well if you think someone who says "get back to your hut" or "go swing on some trees" is smart, then you are dense because that person is a dumb nigga.

Just as much of a dumb nigga that calls somebody a cottonpicker.

African immigrants didn't fight for the rights they have in America.

 

[Bliss]

Just as much of a dumb nigga that calls somebody a cottonpicker.

African immigrants didn't fight for the rights they have in America.

You are drawing an absolute distinction when rather, the truth lies in a fuzzy blur. How do you know that African immigrants didn't fight for human civil rights when that occurred? Did they take a black poll of who's who in marches and at the polls? Free Africans didn't just begin immigrating in the 70's or 80's. They have been landing on these shores since the turn of the century or even prior.

So if we are to ignore those facts and accept your point that African immigrants didn't fight for rights but benefit greatly from them, unless you were a civil rights advocate adult in the sixties, neither did you, and you benefit just as greatly.

Both modern day African Americans and African immigrants have African ancestors in common, so you have no idea if Appiah's ancestors were ever brought here, even though he wasn't born here. Do you know your ancestry, Flaming? For all you know, you may hail from a lineage of free African immigrants.

 

[APPIAH]

Just as much of a dumb nigga that calls somebody a cottonpicker.

African immigrants didn't fight for the rights they have in America.

Dude i have told you to prove it here i can prove mine cuz Trey has made snide remarks, Fabio has done it here and this other guys who dresses as a woman (he has a long name that starts with ig) has also done it now tell me who here had said you are a cotton picker i am daring you to call the person's name.

 

[APPIAH]

You are drawing an absolute distinction when rather, the truth lies in a fuzzy blur. How do you know that African immigrants didn't fight for human civil rights when that occurred? Did they take a black poll of who's who in marches and at the polls? Free Africans didn't just begin immigrating in the 70's or 80's. They have been landing on these shores since the turn of the century or even prior.

So if we are to ignore those facts and accept your point that African immigrants didn't fight for rights but benefit greatly from them, unless you were a civil rights advocate adult in the sixties, neither did you, and you benefit just as greatly.

Both modern day African Americans and African immigrants have African ancestors in common, so you have no idea if Appiah's ancestors were ever brought here, even though he wasn't born here. Do you know your ancestry, Flaming? For all you know, you may hail from a lineage of free African immigrants.

Nooo don't say that!!, he will be mad as hell, i am sure he is one of those who say "thank God for slavery" or "thank God my ancestors didn't miss the boat or ship":roll:

 

[flaminghetero]

You are drawing an absolute distinction when rather, the truth lies in a fuzzy blur. How do you know that African immigrants didn't fight for human civil rights when that occurred? Did they take a black poll of who's who in marches and at the polls? Free Africans didn't just begin immigrating in the 70's or 80's. They have been landing on these shores since the turn of the century or even prior.

So if we are to ignore those facts and accept your point that African immigrants didn't fight for rights but benefit greatly from them, unless you were a civil rights advocate adult in the sixties, neither did you, and you benefit just as greatly.

Both modern day African Americans and African immigrants have African ancestors in common, so you have no idea if Appiah's ancestors were ever brought here, even though he wasn't born here. Do you know your ancestry, Flaming? For all you know, you may hail from a lineage of free African immigrants.

Name some African immigrants that were part of the US civil rights movement.

If you can't....just keep silent about shit you don't know ANYTHING about.

I'm not trying to school you about the fucking Greeks...stay in your lane.