NFL QB National Anthem Protest

[meowkittenmeow]

I never posted what "White veterans" have, what are you talking about? So you think it's a Black versus White Veteran issue? Spare me.
Oh ok...here then..whatever.

"...The NFL issued a statement that said players are encouraged but not required to stand for the national anthem. Hmm, this is the same NFL that refused to allow the Dallas Cowboys to wear a helmet decal in honor of the fallen Dallas Police officers gunned down on Thursday July 7th.

This is the same NFL that said nothing when players from the then- St. Louis Rams displayed the false narrative symbol of “hands up, dont shoot” — which we know didn’t happen. I find it rather interesting that the NFL has no issue disrespecting law enforcement officers but only “encourages” players to respect the symbol of our nation, the American flag, and our anthem, the Star Spangled Banner.

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Mr. Kaepernick, a biracial young man adopted and raised by white parents, claims America is oppressing blacks at a time when we have a black, biracial president who was twice elected. We’ve had two black attorneys general and currently have a black secretary of homeland security, along with a black national security advisor. Here in Dallas our police chief, whom I know, is an outstanding black leader. The officer in Milwaukee who shot the armed assailant after issuing an order to drop his weapon was black. Is Mr. Kaepernick following suit and cherry-picking what he terms “oppression?”

First of all, let me clarify to you sir, you are a multi-millionaire “one-percenter” just because you can throw a ball and kiss your biceps.
Men like Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, Oscar Robertson, Ernie Davis, and Bernard King and Condredge Halloway of my alma mater were athletes who knew of oppression. You sir may certainly have the right to sit upon your “fourth point of contact” when the National Anthem is played but never forget, you live in a nation that has provided you the privilege to have that right.

My story is one I wish to share. My dad was a corporal in the U.S. Army and served during World War II. He was born in 1920 and knew oppression. Yet, when he sat me down on the steps of our home, 651 Kennesaw Ave NE in Atlanta, he shared with me that there was no greater honor or privilege, than to wear the uniform of these United States.

Perhaps that ‘s why his first and middle sons, along with his grandson, are all U.S. combat veterans, just like Dad. Herman West Sr. was not a victim, and he raised men who would never allow anyone to suppress or oppress them. Perhaps you should stop trying to make victims and admonish people, black people, to be victors — try it, and you may find that more satisfying than your insidious action and word vomiting.

If you want to know about oppression of blacks in America, past and present, how about you ask Rep. Nancy Pelosi of the San Fran Bay Area about the policies that decimated the black family? Maybe you can cross the Bay over to Oakland and ask Rep. Barbara Lee about the 13 to15 million black babies killed since 1973, and ask her who is Margaret Sanger?

Or perhaps you can ask the two California senators, Boxer and Feinstein, about who doesn’t support better education opportunities for black children in the inner cities — school choice, vouchers, charter schools, home schooling.

Perhaps you didn’t know Barack Obama was the one who cancelled the DC school voucher program for deserving young black children — talk about oppression. Is that something you’re willing to do, or is it just too difficult?

You should look at who’s been controlling the communities and cities where blacks live. This isn’t not about what America has done; it’s about what a certain group, a political party has done. And your somewhat backhanded comment towards our law enforcement officers — well, wonder how many times San Francisco PD has protected you?...
..You should take that stand and apologize to all of those who are currently serving in our Armed Forces and those veterans who’ve been willing to make that last full measure of devotion. You see, when the National Anthem is played, it has a very special meaning to us — maybe you should take a hiatus and go over to Helmand Province in Afghanistan and spend a week and understand why. Go over and throw a football with the men and women who enable you to earn those millions of dollars.

The American flag has a very touching meaning for those of us for whom it will drape our coffin — as it was for my Dad…and it will be for me. That song defines who we are as a proud and exceptional people. This is a land where so many dream of coming to and earning the title of American. Your actions were shameful, disgusting, despicable and disrespectful.
You do have a right and a freedom of expression. But know, there are consequences to your ignorant action, which is what it was.
When the National Anthem is played, I salute because I am a black man born and raised in the inner city afforded the opportunity for greatness in my own right...


- Allen West

Allen West was born and raised in Atlanta, Georgia in the same neighborhood where Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once preached. He is the third of four generations of military servicemen in his family.

During his 22 year career in the United States Army, Lieutenant Colonel West served in several combat zones: in Operation Desert Storm, in Operation Iraqi Freedom, where he was a Battalion Commander in the Army’s 4th Infantry Division, and later in Afghanistan.
http://www.allenbwest.com/allen/message-non-oppressed-black-man-colin-kaepernick

LOL, you have 2 black veterans agreeing with this man, but search google to find one black veteran that is in line with your mindset. Thank you for proving my point.

In addition to that, you ignored literally everything else I said. You tone policing, derailing to make it a woman's issue (SO MANY RED HERRINGS, LOL)... the list goes on... But yeah, do what you need to do. Ignore 2 or more veterans in the post to search the internet for 1 to agree with you. LOL

 

[Bliss]

It's Faux-patriotism. More than anything, it's white supremacy. It's, "do it nicer and make white people feel comfortable or else". It's "don't you dare have an opinion about those who oppress you or they may get upset". That's all it is. The same thing Ali had to deal with and so many others.

LOL, people love to talk about how great things are while simultaneously ignoring the fact that they are the incarnations of the white supremacy before them.

No it isn't. Hilarious if you think Whites are made to feel comfortable. On what planet? Whites are blamed for every last horrific act in all of humanity going back to their first beastly breath coming out of the caves, or was that coming out of a test-tube invented by a corrupt black man (thank you NOI for that one), or is it from the depths of hell White Devils emerged from? Can't keep up..blamed and dann well guilted for it all. All l tell you.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

No it isn't. Hilarious if you think Whites are made to feel comfortable. On what planet? Whites are blamed for every last horrific act in all of humanity going back to their first beastly breath coming out of the caves, or was that coming out of a test-tube invented by a corrupt black man (thank you NOI for that one), or is it from the depths of hell White Devils emerged from? Can't keep up..blamed and dann well guilted for it all. All l tell you.

Red Herring

 

[The Dark King]

Do you think he could have found a better more United way to get his message across? This country has been amazing to him. When he was abandoned at birth, an American couple stepped in and raised that unwanted child as their own. America's schools and colleges were there for him. The NFL gave him a life others only dream about. Why have no pride for his country? It makes no sense to me. He has the privilege of a Mic and reporter whenever he wants it..all he has to do is make one call and he can protest whatever he has the issue with. But no pride for this country after all its given him is disgraceful.

America gave him those things? Are you serious? I guess fuck his own hard work and determination right?
This country gives absolutely nothing, granted there are opportunities but you don't get to beat a woman and then tell her she better be thankful that you give her a roof and some food.

 

[The Dark King]

No it isn't. Hilarious if you think Whites are made to feel comfortable. On what planet? Whites are blamed for every last horrific act in all of humanity going back to their first beastly breath coming out of the caves, or was that coming out of a test-tube invented by a corrupt black man (thank you NOI for that one), or is it from the depths of hell White Devils emerged from? Can't keep up..blamed and dann well guilted for it all. All l tell you.

So calling out the system for the bullshit it does is akin to blaming white people? Wake the fuck up if you aren't part of the elite class you're getting fucked too. The only difference is they feed you the illusion of whiteness.

 

[Bliss]

LOL, you have 2 black veterans agreeing with this man, but search google to find one black veteran that is in line with your mindset. Thank you for proving my point.

In addition to that, you ignored literally everything else I said. You tone policing, derailing to make it a woman's issue (SO MANY RED HERRINGS, LOL)... the list goes on... But yeah, do what you need to do. Ignore 2 or more veterans in the post to search the internet for 1 to agree with you. LOL

Lol..didn't search for him. He's very well known. Not that you'd know him you're so far up yourself.. I promise you Mr. Black versus White Veteran, there are plenty who don't agree with his zero pride for this country. Tone that.
Psstt..l didn't bring up women. DudeNy did. :toimonster:

 

[meowkittenmeow]

Lol..didn't search for him. He's very well known. Not that you'd know him you're so far up yourself.. I promise you Mr. Black versus White Veteran, there are plenty who don't agree with his zero pride for this country. Tone that.
Psstt..l didn't bring up women. DudeNy did. :toimonster:

As I mentioned before, I am no longer in the military. The point is that you had 2 black veterans but had to google for one to agree with you. But, like the post before this, and this post, you are red herring to change the subject.

I will say this, pretending that there isn't a difference in experience between a black veteran and a white veteran really shows how sad your comments are.

As far as this veteran, no I never met him. I have, however, met and worked with higher than him during my career. But, no, I have not personally met him. But, I am sure you have during your caree... oh, that's right, I forgot, you are a civilian with a bunch of opinions about the military, extreme patriotism, and veterans without actually ever serving a day in your life... LOL...

Off subject...
I also meant to ask, were you born in the U.S. or somewhere else?

 

[DudeNY12]

]It gets minimilized and shut down ad-nauseam on this board[/B]. The Penn State rape victim was just called a liar and "lying WHORE" by several male board members and he was dann near co-signed.
Women constantly get talked shit about and you know what...it's all ok here.
People like the Mexican, white and black woman hater FlamingHitler would like nothing less than to see women subjugated so he can have his Patriarchal world dominance and no one barely says a thing.

Yes, and more importantly it gets shutdown in society much like minorities complaining about racism and so on. However, it's still very much a serious problem, and while I can't ever know what it's like to walk in a woman's shoes... I get it.

 

[Bliss]

So calling out the system for the bullshit it does is akin to blaming white people? Wake the fuck up if you aren't part of the elite class you're getting fucked too. The only difference is they feed you the illusion of whiteness.

Psst.. Try reading. If you followed, I didn't bring White people up, RA , Dark Curry and Meowkitten did. See, l'm getting blamed for women and white people comments. Hahaha. Can't make this shit up even though you and clawing Meowkitten do.

It's Faux-patriotism. More than anything, it's white supremacy. It's, "do it nicer and make white people feel comfortable or else". It's "don't you dare have an opinion about those who oppress you or they may get upset". That's all it is. The same thing Ali had to deal with and so many others.

LOL, people love to talk about how great things are while simultaneously ignoring the fact that they are the incarnations of the white supremacy before them.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

So did he create a better America by insulting the flag? Wouldn't making a better America be boycotting anything Ametucan like his American job or paycheck? Women are being raped and murdered and live oppressed lives in this country but he didn't say a peep. Women are not allowed to play the game his priveludged ass gets to play. Women are denied even coaching it. Try to look at it from women's point of view for once. :-?

I thought you said it was DudeNY that talked about women's issues and not you... Hmmm... because even if he made the first comment, you sure as hell ran with it derailing all over the place. Red Herring for all, LOL

 

[The Dark King]

Psst.. Try reading. If you followed, I didn't bring White people up, RA , Dark Curry and Meowkitten did. See, l'm getting blamed for women and white people comments. Hahaha. Can't make this shit up even though you and clawing Meowkitten do.

You're the one who said whites are blamed for everything

 

[Paniro187]

"I don't know if the most effective way is to sit down during the national anthem with a country that's providing you freedom, providing you $16 million a year ... when there are black minorities that are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for less than $20,000 a year."

Alejandro Villanueva, Steelers LT, on Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the national anthem



Damn!

 

[darkcurry]

It's Faux-patriotism. More than anything, it's white supremacy. It's, "do it nicer and make white people feel comfortable or else". It's "don't you dare have an opinion about those who oppress you or they may get upset". That's all it is. The same thing Ali had to deal with and so many others.

LOL, people love to talk about how great things are while simultaneously ignoring the fact that they are the incarnations of the white supremacy before them.

I believe some of it is white supremacy yeah, back on topic for a minute I find it interesting that there are people online that are either refusing or they are just that stupid to realize that Kaeperknick never once said he was oppressed. smh. But it's like I said they stay in the shallow, because they can't swim in the deep.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

I believe some of it is white supremacy yeah, back on topic for a minute I find it interesting that there are people online that are either refusing or they are just that stupid to realize that Kaeperknick never once said he was oppressed. smh. But it's like I said they stay in the shallow, because they can't swim in the deep.

I am also reminded of Marlon Brando having a native american woman accepting his award and the controversy it started. It's almost as if... even if he is privileged and miraculously never experienced racism... he is somehow not allowed to stand up for those who are marginalized and silenced.

 

[The Dark King]

"I don't know if the most effective way is to sit down during the national anthem with a country that's providing you freedom, providing you $16 million a year ... when there are black minorities that are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for less than $20,000 a year."

Alejandro Villanueva, Steelers LT, on Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the national anthem



Damn!

So they should stand with him because he's not the one paying them a shit wage for a dangerous job

 

[The Dark King]

I am also reminded of Marlon Brando having a native american woman accepting his award and the controversy it started. It's almost as if... even if he is privileged and miraculously never experienced racism... he is somehow not allowed to stand up for those who are marginalized and silenced.

Yup America has been good to him so fuck everyone else. There really seems to be a deep apathy and a not my problem sentiment going on here but God forbid anyone else talk about it.

 

[darkcurry]

Psst.. Try reading. If you followed, I didn't bring White people up, RA , Dark Curry and Meowkitten did. See, l'm getting blamed for women and white people comments. Hahaha. Can't make this shit up even though you and clawing Meowkitten do.

I said those white people I didn't generalize white people when I brought those white people up. I was speaking about those without human compassion due to patriotism and ignorance on racism just a very shallow understanding of it especially racism against black people in america. Also my context and my statements are well clear.

 

[Bliss]

Yes, and more importantly it gets shutdown in society much like minorities complaining about racism and so on. However, it's still very much a serious problem, and while I can't ever know what it's like to walk in a woman's shoes... I get it.

Well it is very rare to hear that here, I'm actually shocked to read it. No offense to you but you weren't here for the epic anti-(white)woman thread that a certain someone in this thread started that caused several women to leave.
The bottom line was the women here were told to STFU because women - particularly White women - have no clue what Oppression is, but that Black men do.
I stayed out of it barring two comments because the usual 2 suspects that are arguing with me right now were adamant for pages and days that the white women arguing with them should shut up, and l felt like their male stripes would never change, so why bother.

But let me stop responding to your comment about women least l be called tonal and a sexist deflector by the kitten with the very stripes l mentioned.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

I said those white people I didn't generalize white people when I brought those white people up. I was speaking about those without human compassion due to patriotism and ignorance on racism just a very shallow understanding of it especially racism against black people in america. Also my context and my statements are well clear.

Don't feel bad. She knew what you meant. She recently blamed DudeNY for bringing up women's issues when he did it on page 8 and she was the first to do it on page 5 or 6. It's just there to derail man. Don't feed into it.

 

[darkcurry]

You're the one who said whites are blamed for everything

In fairness there are a lot of tragedies in history tied to white people, especially towards other races; Native Americans, Latinos, Africans, Asians.

But I didn't want to get off topic and give anyone the impression that I'm being racist.