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[DudeNY12]

As evidenced by the dumb ass term "reverse racism"
At this point to me it's clear how things are and how they're going to be in the foreseeable future.
I pray our children are better but some how I doubt it.

Right, and even some who complain that there's no NAAWP. These individuals must think we enjoy the necessity for NAACP, Civil Rights Act, Affirmative Action and so on to exist.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

They don't understand and some are too stubborn to understand the different types of racism. They can't understand institutionalezed racism, structural racism, but they know about personal racism. They had this watered down belief about racism that it only pertains something out the KKK or Nazi way of thinking. They just simply don't and are too stubborn and ignorant to get that it goes much deeper than that.

Yes, I would have to agree. Many understand conditional racism, but not institutionalized racism. Kind of like this meme...

People also tend to assume that institutionalized privilege applies to all, when most people of color only experience conditional privilege.

 

[GFunk]

What I actually said:

"Left angry. But, I was angry all around, I just didn't show it in everyday life. It is a part of the healing process, or at least that is what the ole therapist explained to me. I took that anger out on the women in the forum, as oppose to women in real life. Something that happens with most rape survivors who are assaulted by members of the oposite sex. As much as I apologizing for being pissed off all of the time, it isn't something I can make up for. You only have one chance to make a first impression. "

Never said I was specifically angry at white women, I was angry all around and took it out on some of the women I argued with in the forum. It's a form of acting out that most rape survivors go through. Nice to know people are still making excuses for doing crap stuff like using rape to argue.


The link to the conversation: http://whitewomenblackmen.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1029226#post1029226

It is unfortunate that some people will use the worst possible things to try and win an argument. I will say it one last time, disagreeing with a woman or man (especially when damn near everyone else is disagreeing with that person) does not equate misogyny nor does it equate misandry.

As far as "taking things out on bliss", I am arguing with her at the same level as I did back then. The only persons that I remember actually being an "asshole" to is FG, Tarshi, and I think that is about it. The only other person I argued with was Ches, as I never forgave her for saying that "the word cunt is the same as the n word". She apologized for it, but I never forgave it. That is it. Bliss, has basically always been this way with more or anyone that disagrees with her, so I am done with it.

I gotta spread rep first

 

[K]

Yup. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps even after you lost your legs for us.
It's all such utter horseshit. This entire conversation. Protest in the right way. Still waiting to hear what that way is lol

This is such a tough one! I don't think there is a "right way". I think some things work for a little bit....maybe. But it needs to keep being changed up. More and different ways to shake things up and try to get something done.

This is something that's been an ongoing struggle for me. I've done the trying to work within the system for change, working against it, and all sorts of various avenues. I've tried to address things at a small level and at higher levels. The one thing I have learned is that it's always changing and as soon as it seems something is working, it's time to move to a new way because people want a quick fix easy answer and for it all to just go away. The idea of - oh it's been handled, why do you keep wanting to talk about THAT stuff?!

The really tough part is that those who are out there doing whatever they can end up getting really frustrated and exhausted and end up giving up.

 

[K]

Exactly! Somehow (in their minds) racism vanished once the civil rights act was passed, and then confirmed once Obama was elected POTUS. So now there truly can't be any lingering racism because there's black man in the White House.

I hear rumblings like this all the time. Crazy!

 

[The Dark King]

What I actually said:

"Left angry. But, I was angry all around, I just didn't show it in everyday life. It is a part of the healing process, or at least that is what the ole therapist explained to me. I took that anger out on the women in the forum, as oppose to women in real life. Something that happens with most rape survivors who are assaulted by members of the oposite sex. As much as I apologizing for being pissed off all of the time, it isn't something I can make up for. You only have one chance to make a first impression. "

Never said I was specifically angry at white women, I was angry all around and took it out on some of the women I argued with in the forum. It's a form of acting out that most rape survivors go through. Nice to know people are still making excuses for doing crap stuff like using rape to argue.


The link to the conversation: http://whitewomenblackmen.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1029226#post1029226

It is unfortunate that some people will use the worst possible things to try and win an argument. I will say it one last time, disagreeing with a woman or man (especially when damn near everyone else is disagreeing with that person) does not equate misogyny nor does it equate misandry.

As far as "taking things out on bliss", I am arguing with her at the same level as I did back then. The only persons that I remember actually being an "asshole" to is FG, Tarshi, and I think that is about it. The only other person I argued with was Ches, as I never forgave her for saying that "the word cunt is the same as the n word". She apologized for it, but I never forgave it. That is it. Bliss, has basically always been this way with more or anyone that disagrees with her, so I am done with it.

I'll say this most of the women on here are very compassionate when given the chance but the one blind spot a lot of them have is they fail to see in this country race trumps gender so when certain conversations about oppressionand gender come up it's really hard to see evidence of what they talk about on here.

 

[K]

K, you can miss me with your fake outrage. There was nothing wrong with what l stated.
Meow specifically explained the reason he was angry at white women when last here was because he was raped and as a result, took it out on the forum women and me specifically! You weren't here to see the absolute asshole he was. He is reverting back to his anger.
I most certainly wasn't attacking him being raped, are you kidding me? l was repeating in whole his reasons he gave for his anger, fucking hell, lady, get your facts straight! You're losing it.
Don't you ever come at me like that again over rape! I'm the one who constantly defends rape victims on here when others attack the victim, no one else! Even down to those who say a woman can't rape a man. I'm always acknowledging that men getting raped is not talked about enough. You and him can not-so kindly shut the fuck up and take your misdirected "outrage" to the dump. Not gonna stand for it, you hear me?

:smt043:smt043:smt043:smt043

Yah....OK

 

[meowkittenmeow]

This is such a tough one! I don't think there is a "right way". I think some things work for a little bit....maybe. But it needs to keep being changed up. More and different ways to shake things up and try to get something done.

This is something that's been an ongoing struggle for me. I've done the trying to work within the system for change, working against it, and all sorts of various avenues. I've tried to address things at a small level and at higher levels. The one thing I have learned is that it's always changing and as soon as it seems something is working, it's time to move to a new way because people want a quick fix easy answer and for it all to just go away. The idea of - oh it's been handled, why do you keep wanting to talk about THAT stuff?!

The really tough part is that those who are out there doing whatever they can end up getting really frustrated and exhausted and end up giving up.

I completely agree. There isn't a right or wrong way. Historically speaking, the establishment is never ok with protests that aim to support the marginalized. In 30 years or less there will be a documentary on A&E or something on the strides that people took for equality and this will be one of them. Meanwhile, the people of that generation will look back to now with disgust. It always goes this way.

 

[The Dark King]

This is such a tough one! I don't think there is a "right way". I think some things work for a little bit....maybe. But it needs to keep being changed up. More and different ways to shake things up and try to get something done.

This is something that's been an ongoing struggle for me. I've done the trying to work within the system for change, working against it, and all sorts of various avenues. I've tried to address things at a small level and at higher levels. The one thing I have learned is that it's always changing and as soon as it seems something is working, it's time to move to a new way because people want a quick fix easy answer and for it all to just go away. The idea of - oh it's been handled, why do you keep wanting to talk about THAT stuff?!

The really tough part is that those who are out there doing whatever they can end up getting really frustrated and exhausted and end up giving up.

Yeah I get it. Use to go to rallies now I just send donations
It's so damn depressing because we are so heavily anchored by the stupid and bigoted. Literally no rational thought gets in. Instead we're debating for pages why a man's free speech to not salute the flag is so damn offensive. These same assholes are offended by rape murder poverty or any other REAL problem they'd rather focus on trivial b.s..

 

[darkcurry]

Yes, I would have to agree. Many understand conditional racism, but not institutionalized racism. Kind of like this meme...

People also tend to assume that institutionalized privilege applies to all, when most people of color only experience conditional privilege.

Nailed it! The meme and what you said. If you ask me until we find a way to lower ignorance and insensitivity among the population, we can't beat racism. Because not only are they not educated enough, but they are stubborn and complacent in what they believe.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

I'll say this most of the women on here are very compassionate when given the chance but the one blind spot a lot of them have is they fail to see in this country race trumps gender so when certain conversations about oppressionand gender come up it's really hard to see evidence of what they talk about on here.

I don't think it necessarily has to boil down to one vs. the other. It tends to boil down to that when people leave out how many movements maintained various levels of white supremacy. I think if a person acknowledges those issues, and then continues the conversation on gender, then it is ok. But, as we have seen, it is difficult to get people to acknowledge it. In addition to that, when people do acknowledge it, you get the excuse of "well, everyone was racist". I think it is good and great to talk about gender issues, not necessarily in a thread about standing up for the rights of black people, but good in its own thread.

The main problem (from what I remember in the past), was that the only time people would talk about gender issues or women's rights is in a thread about some guy getting in a fight with a woman. The same often goes for talking about race. I remember making a few posts talking about race and the black communities destroyed by race riots and how that affected certain current economic situations in our community. That was just met with a person or two asking me, "why do you like to victimize your people".

Having a discussion on any issue requires an open mind. Many do not possess that open mind, so it just turns into an argument (which I have been guilty of in the past, as well as plenty of others in the forum).

I think a solution might be to start a thread with a set of rules in order to create productive discourse instead of an argument.

 

[DudeNY12]

I completely agree. There isn't a right or wrong way. Historically speaking, the establishment is never ok with protests that aim to support the marginalized. In 30 years or less there will be a documentary on A&E or something on the strides that people took for equality and this will be one of them. Meanwhile, the people of that generation will look back to now with disgust. It always goes this way.

Absolutely! Speaking out/protests are often the result of something unacceptable continuing. All one really need to do is think back to the days in which MLK was leading marches/protests etc. He was seen as a troublemaker by even the FBI. So if any of these people think this is going away as in we're just going to sit by quietly... They're sadly mistaken.

 

[GFunk]

Nailed it! The meme and what you said. If you ask me until we find a way to lower ignorance and insensitivity among the population, we can't beat racism. Because not only are they not educated enough, but they are stubborn and complacent in what they believe.

"Meh, it's good enough"

 

[The Dark King]

Nailed it! The meme and what you said. If you ask me until we find a way to lower ignorance and insensitivity among the population, we can't beat racism. Because not only are they not educated enough, but they are stubborn and complacent in what they believe.

True story

I only see it getting worst the more tech makes it possible for people to not interact
I tried oculus rift this weekend and it became very clear VR is gonna mark the end of modern society. Who is going to leave their VR world to engage real seniors in the regular world.

 

[DudeNY12]

When bliss replies to me
[YOUTUBE]NR0p1_dgz1M[/YOUTUBE]

OMG! That's hilarious

 

[goodlove8]

I wonder what kind of relations are being had between active service members who supported CK And those who don't.

What women? They all left. It's me and Bookie left fighting for some respect for women on here. All because we don't kiss ass, we've been called Eva Braun, racists, privelidged, white men lovers, whiners, whores...need l go on?

This place is for BM who are allowed to say whatever negatives they want about White people, women, Religion and any non-liberal politics with impunity, and it's for WW who blindly support their comments. Fuck that.

U r right its a sausage fest.

Excuse me but again I have said things here that has caused me to be called the following:

1. Ass kissing bw (that has to be the dumbest ever. Think on that for second)

2. Ass kissing ww. Lol.

As far as negative stuff about wp...thats false. They talk racism.....it doesn't mean they hate wp. The problem i have is every other thread is about racism but it happens that why they talk I guess.


If the women had made threads that were geared toward them or gotten into threads that were geared toward them then.....

 

[Beasty]

Are you referring to ageism and weight discrimination and Anti-black woman?

 

[ColiBreh1]

What I actually said:

"Left angry. But, I was angry all around, I just didn't show it in everyday life. It is a part of the healing process, or at least that is what the ole therapist explained to me. I took that anger out on the women in the forum, as oppose to women in real life. Something that happens with most rape survivors who are assaulted by members of the oposite sex. As much as I apologizing for being pissed off all of the time, it isn't something I can make up for. You only have one chance to make a first impression. "

Never said I was specifically angry at white women, I was angry all around and took it out on some of the women I argued with in the forum. It's a form of acting out that most rape survivors go through. Nice to know people are still making excuses for doing crap stuff like using rape to argue.


The link to the conversation: http://whitewomenblackmen.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1029226#post1029226

It is unfortunate that some people will use the worst possible things to try and win an argument. I will say it one last time, disagreeing with a woman or man (especially when damn near everyone else is disagreeing with that person) does not equate misogyny nor does it equate misandry.

As far as "taking things out on bliss", I am arguing with her at the same level as I did back then. The only persons that I remember actually being an "asshole" to is FG, Tarshi, and I think that is about it. The only other person I argued with was Ches, as I never forgave her for saying that "the word cunt is the same as the n word". She apologized for it, but I never forgave it. That is it. Bliss, has basically always been this way with more or anyone that disagrees with her, so I am done with it.

WOW!! Somebody really said that?

As I understand it, "Cunt" is a cussword/insult that isn't used in the Black Community. So most BM don't understand how offensive a word it is to WW. The only reason I know how offensive it's supposed to be is becasue 1 of the podcasts I listen to have disscused it a couple of times.

But naw, no way is "Cunt" is more offensive than the N-word.

 

[GFunk]

WOW!! Somebody really said that?

As I understand it, "Cunt" is a cussword/insult that isn't used in the Black Community. So most BM don't understand how offensive a word it is to WW. The only reason I know how offensive it's supposed to be is becasue 1 of the podcasts I listen to have disscused it a couple of times.

But naw, no way is "Cunt" is more offensive than the N-word.

Cunt only applies to WW?

Regardless, I use the word on a regular basis.

 

[Bliss]

U r right its a sausage fest.

Excuse me but again I have said things here that has caused me to be called the following:

1. Ass kissing bw (that has to be the dumbest ever. Think on that for second)

2. Ass kissing ww. Lol.

As far as negative stuff about wp...thats false. They talk racism.....it doesn't mean they hate wp. The problem i have is every other thread is about racism but it happens that why they talk I guess.


If the women had made threads that were geared toward them or gotten into threads that were geared toward them then.....

Well l have here and there and Lippy did one but it was less discussion and more pics. Besides, some of the women here tried to discuss the issues of being a woman and were argued with and dismissed.

I do agree it is mostly talk of racism, but there is also some collective negative talk of WP in general, unless you "are a (blindly, always) down WP". As we see, you can't even be black and have an alternate view without being called all sorts of racial names.
I recall we had a new member who eventually posted in a thread on the inequities here, that she was afraid to give her opinion because she would be misconstrued and jumped on, so she never posted in the news topic threads. That's sad but not surprising. I'm sure lot's are scared to speak their POV or are scared away.
Nothing is a one-way street when it comes to human interactions and reactions here in the U.S, so there can't really be serious discussion by all until that is understood.

Yes, you do get called rotten names anytime you show support for women when most here won't (including by a couple of women)..it's actually quite comforting knowing you don't follow mob rule..and you never have.

Yep..it's a sausage fest. But l think there's a couple of guys here who like it that way. :???: