Random Political comments...

[Satchmo]

[FONT=&quot]The merger of both American political parties on war is actually the foundation for fascism. When a Democrat appeals to neoconservatives, and legitimizes Henry Kissinger’s foreign policy, then we’ve altered our democracy forever.[/FONT]

1. Hillary Clinton will merge Democrats and Republicans into one party when to comes to foreign policy and war.

America’s president can unilaterally wage war and I don’t trust any president, Democrat or Republican, advised by both Henry Kissinger and the same neoconservatives who advised Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Neocons actually hate Trump, which says a lot about Clinton.

When the U.S. eventually has only one choice on war (and liberals are now hawks), we’ll become a fascist nation. I explained on MSNBC last year that Republicans have always wanted another major ground war, and now they might get their wish with Hillary Clinton.

All of this taken from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...ers-clinton-democratic-nominee_b_9514188.html

Well that's a lot of theory rhetoric but what exactly would you like America to do in relations with foreign countries?

 

[Bookworm616]

Well that's a lot of theory rhetoric but what exactly would you like America to do in relations with foreign countries?

It is a lot of theory, but when both political parties act in nearly the same way in regards to foreign policy, it does make it more difficult to separate the two parties, don't you agree?

As for what I would like America to do in relations with foreign countries is not elect a president who allows donations to her foundation make her foreign policy. :smt018

 

[Peach State Scholar]

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All of this taken from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...ers-clinton-democratic-nominee_b_9514188.html

This article reminds me of why I quit reading HuffPo years ago. In any event, the author of this article and the comments below it are prefect examples of what RicardoCooper was talking about when he criticized Sanders supporters.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Bernie supporters are cultists and cyberbullies. Ask any of his supporters about specifics and they go into attack mode. Basic stuff like how will he make consensus if elected if he has never done it in over 30 years. Why as a "progressive" did he vote against the Brady Bill five times. Why did he not vote until age 40, then only for himself, yet he wants your vote. Why Bernie and Hillary voted the same in the Senate 93% of the time yet Hillary is the one who's "corrupt." I read more racist and misogynist stuff from Bernie-bots than right-wingers

This is about the most important consideration, by far. It doesn't matter how great his ideas are or how much you agree with them as long as you have a Congress that is guaranteed to completely obstruct anything Sanders would try to accomplish. We've seen that for the past seven years now and there's no reason to think that it will suddenly be any different with a President Sanders than it would be with a President Clinton.

 

[The Dark King]

This is about the most important consideration, by far. It doesn't matter how great his ideas are or how much you agree with them as long as you have a Congress that is guaranteed to completely obstruct anything Sanders would try to accomplish. We've seen that for the past seven years now and there's no reason to think that it will suddenly be any different with a President Sanders than it would be with a President Clinton.

And who says Clinton will do anything in the interest of the people? She's bought and paid for our interests come last. The conversation shouldn't be Sanders is unelectable because congress will block him, we should be be discussing how we should come out and vote to change congress as well.
I never understood why everyone treats voting as a chore in this country. People are literally dying all around the world to have their voices heard and for most people here its as simple as going to your local fire department or elementary school after work to change things.
We shouldn't be looking for candidates who will cow tow to the obstructionist politics of the right. They are basically wrong and counter to the will of the people.

 

[The Dark King]

Sanders wants food companies to be required to label their products that contain GMOs.

Clinton is in bed with Monsanto.

Sanders is against the TPP and NAFTA.

Clinton is for them (though she has since changed her stance on NAFTA, because you know, that's what you do when you want votes - change your stance on something unpopular).

Just more reasons why Hillary is not a better candidate: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/judy-frankel/hillary-vs-bernie-on-fran_b_7638846.html

Agreed
I honestly don't get why her supporters want her if Sanders is a choice as well

 

[goodlove]

And who says Clinton will do anything in the interest of the people? She's bought and paid for our interests come last. The conversation shouldn't be Sanders is unelectable because congress will block him, we should be be discussing how we should come out and vote to change congress as well.
I never understood why everyone treats voting as a chore in this country. People are literally dying all around the world to have their voices heard and for most people here its as simple as going to your local fire department or elementary school after work to change things.
We shouldn't be looking for candidates who will cow tow to the obstructionist politics of the right. They are basically wrong and counter to the will of the people.

Agree. I don't understand why we can't have voting on the weekends.

 

[Thump]

Bill Clinton throws Obama's presidency under the Bus.

This kind of "say anything to get votes" policy of the Clintons is why I don't support them.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/21/bill-clinton-knocks-obamas-awful-legacy/82094792/

I literally from the time I met her 45 years ago ‘til we talked yesterday, she is the best change-maker I have ever known. She always finds a way to make something good happen, to make people feel empowered, to buy people into the process, to make democracy work the way the framers intended for it to work.

Now, if you don’t believe we can all grow together again, if you don’t believe we're ever going to grow again, if you believe it’s more important to re-litigate the past, there may be many reasons that you don’t want to support her.

But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that when we were practicing trickle-down economics and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her because she’s the only person who basically had good ideas will tell you how she’s going to pay for them, can be commander in chief and is a proven change maker with republicans and democrats and independents alike.”

 

[Bliss]

ln light of the Terrorist Attacks in Belguim..

Saw him interviewed on CNN..

Malcolm Nance, author of the book DEFEATING ISIS.

5.0 out 5.0 stars
" If you want to learn about IS or ISIS...,
you are best advised to speak with Malcolm Nance
who is a walking encyclopedia concerning ISIS... "

He is a 34-year veteran intelligence officer who has worked the Iraq mission since 1987,
fighting in all of our Middle East wars since 1983.
He has lived in and out of Iraq since 2003.

http://www.amazon.com/Defeating-ISIS-They-Fight-Believe/dp/1510711848

His other book...

I hope whomever wins the Presidency... they consult him.

 

[Bookworm616]

And who says Clinton will do anything in the interest of the people? She's bought and paid for our interests come last. The conversation shouldn't be Sanders is unelectable because congress will block him, we should be be discussing how we should come out and vote to change congress as well.
I never understood why everyone treats voting as a chore in this country. People are literally dying all around the world to have their voices heard and for most people here its as simple as going to your local fire department or elementary school after work to change things.
We shouldn't be looking for candidates who will cow tow to the obstructionist politics of the right. They are basically wrong and counter to the will of the people.

Yep. Voting is a right that we have that many don't have and we should all use it.

I think it comes down to this: many people think their votes don't count, so why should they bother?

The political parties in this country have done NOTHING to contradict that thought either.

Look at the Republican side: they're threatening a brokered convention and alienating millions of voters who voted for Trump, and coming out and saying the voters don't pick the nominee, THEY do. WHAT???

That doesn't bode well for Republicans.

And on the Democrat side, they have "superdelegates" that will side with whom they want, not for whom the people want.

The deck is seemingly stacked against us.

Agreed
I honestly don't get why her supporters want her if Sanders is a choice as well

Me neither.

Bill Clinton throws Obama's presidency under the Bus.

This kind of "say anything to get votes" policy of the Clintons is why I don't support them.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-clinton-knocks-obamas-awful-legacy/82094792/

They're totally in "damage control" right now trying to say that what he REALLY meant to say was the last 8 years of Republican obstructionism - though for the first 2 years of Obama's presidency, did he not have a Democrat-led Congress?

I think it was an subconscious slip from Bill that showed what the Clintons really think of Obama and his presidency.

 

[RicardoCooper]

This is about the most important consideration, by far. It doesn't matter how great his ideas are or how much you agree with them as long as you have a Congress that is guaranteed to completely obstruct anything Sanders would try to accomplish. We've seen that for the past seven years now and there's no reason to think that it will suddenly be any different with a President Sanders than it would be with a President Clinton.

The unspoken corollary to that is since Sanders is a white man, he'd be able to break the gridlock and work with Republicans

 

[RicardoCooper]

Bill Clinton throws Obama's presidency under the Bus.

This kind of "say anything to get votes" policy of the Clintons is why I don't support them.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/21/bill-clinton-knocks-obamas-awful-legacy/82094792/

You left out this part

*Update: An aide to Bill Clinton says the legacy he was referring to was Republicans' obstructionism.

Carry on

 

[RicardoCooper]

And on the Democrat side, they have "superdelegates" that will side with whom they want, not for whom the people want.

The superdelegate system was created in 1982 by Tad Devine, who is now Bernie's senior adviser

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511240907


And since you are obsessed with Monsanto, be aware that Tad's law firm represented them

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...-Deeply-Concerned-About-Clinton-s-Connections

Feel The Bern

 

[Thump]

You left out this part

*Update: An aide to Bill Clinton says the legacy he was referring to was Republicans' obstructionism.

Carry on

I left that out because Bill didn't make that clarification himself. Having an aide do spin control isn't the same as owning up to his own "mistake".

 

[Peach State Scholar]

And who says Clinton will do anything in the interest of the people? She's bought and paid for our interests come last. The conversation shouldn't be Sanders is unelectable because congress will block him, we should be be discussing how we should come out and vote to change congress as well.
I never understood why everyone treats voting as a chore in this country. People are literally dying all around the world to have their voices heard and for most people here its as simple as going to your local fire department or elementary school after work to change things.
We shouldn't be looking for candidates who will cow tow to the obstructionist politics of the right. They are basically wrong and counter to the will of the people.

Do you think that she'd be better than anyone running for the Republican nomination? Because if she gets the Democratic nomination and you decide to vote for a third party candidate or write in Sanders' name you might as well vote for Trump or Cruz. Trump would be a disaster for the average person because he has absolutely no concrete or coherent plans for anything and Cruz would be a disaster because, like most of the Tea Party types, he has no concern for anyone who isn't already rich. Just take a look at Louisiana and Kansas if you want to examples of disastrous trickle-down economics at work.

If you're even remotely concerned about economic justice narrowing the income gap between the richest and the poorest I'd put Clinton ahead of any of the candidates that sought the GOP nomination. Again, is she perfect? Not by a long shot. But the perfect candidate simply doesn't exist anywhere. They never have.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

The unspoken corollary to that is since Sanders is a white man, he'd be able to break the gridlock and work with Republicans

Maybe so, but let's not forget that the group who impeached the previous Democratic president over a blowjob is nowhere near as radical and obstruction-minded as the current group of Republicans in Congress. As long as the tea party controls a large part of the GOP I don't expect things to get any better anytime soon, especially since having a president who would be a self-described socialist and Jewish would give them an incredibly easy target.

 

[The Dark King]

Yep. Voting is a right that we have that many don't have and we should all use it.

I think it comes down to this: many people think their votes don't count, so why should they bother?

The political parties in this country have done NOTHING to contradict that thought either.

Look at the Republican side: they're threatening a brokered convention and alienating millions of voters who voted for Trump, and coming out and saying the voters don't pick the nominee, THEY do. WHAT???

That doesn't bode well for Republicans.

And on the Democrat side, they have "superdelegates" that will side with whom they want, not for whom the people want.

The deck is seemingly stacked against us.



Me neither.



They're totally in "damage control" right now trying to say that what he REALLY meant to say was the last 8 years of Republican obstructionism - though for the first 2 years of Obama's presidency, did he not have a Democrat-led Congress?

I think it was an subconscious slip from Bill that showed what the Clintons really think of Obama and his presidency.

Fair points but what better way to see if your vote counts than by actually voting the whole process takes like 15 minutes and you can vote for multiple at once. Doesn't that seem like a fair trade to have a working democracy?

 

[The Dark King]

Do you think that she'd be better than anyone running for the Republican nomination? Because if she gets the Democratic nomination and you decide to vote for a third party candidate or write in Sanders' name you might as well vote for Trump or Cruz. Trump would be a disaster for the average person because he has absolutely no concrete or coherent plans for anything and Cruz would be a disaster because, like most of the Tea Party types, he has no concern for anyone who isn't already rich. Just take a look at Louisiana and Kansas if you want to examples of disastrous trickle-down economics at work.

If you're even remotely concerned about economic justice narrowing the income gap between the richest and the poorest I'd put Clinton ahead of any of the candidates that sought the GOP nomination. Again, is she perfect? Not by a long shot. But the perfect candidate simply doesn't exist anywhere. They never have.

We aren't at general elections yet. If Hilary gets the nom then I'll be forced to vote for because there isn't a Republican choice but while there's a chance its all about Bernie because I have yet to hear her talk about anything that concerns me as a voter that she didn't say after she already saw it was gaining traction with Bernie. She's vile but she's a better choice than Trump which is so sad that's all we're left with.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

We aren't at general elections yet. If Hilary gets the nom then I'll be forced to vote for because there isn't a Republican choice but while there's a chance its all about Bernie because I have yet to hear her talk about anything that concerns me as a voter that she didn't say after she already saw it was gaining traction with Bernie. She's vile but she's a better choice than Trump which is so sad that's all we're left with.

I always think in terms of general elections lol. Barring a miracle Clinton is going to be the democratic nominee and unless the GOP wants an all-out civil war, Trump is going to be their nominee. It's like RC was saying earlier, both Clinton and Sanders vote the same way 93% of the time and once they're elected they'll probably end up having similar policies implemented before they've left office.

 

[The Dark King]

I always think in terms of general elections lol. Barring a miracle Clinton is going to be the democratic nominee and unless the GOP wants an all-out civil war, Trump is going to be their nominee. It's like RC was saying earlier, both Clinton and Sanders vote the same way 93% of the time and once they're elected they'll probably end up having similar policies implemented before they've left office.

Fair enough lol
Btw Obama was behind at this point too