Madeleine
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Harassed as in sexually harassed?? Wow!
Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals
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Beasty
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My impression was that it was due to feminism. So she probably didn't think it was fair unless she was allowed to put on a strap on and fuck him back.
Instead of things, institutions or laws being gender neutral, feminists think people should be. As an example, they actually go as far enough to say that women should be eligible for the military draft, thereby denying any difference between the genders. Yet they don't complain that women in the military actually have lower physical standards to meet. They are allowed to be slower on the run and they have less a requirement to fullfill with pushups ect...
Like the other guys were saying here they only want power. Personally I think they just want to rattle the cage. They have no idea what they want other than chaos. A lot if them just don't have any idea how to be happy and they think its the fault of men.
They still kowtow to daddy, so you have to wonder if they really want to be in charge or is it just an attempt to make others miserable.
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Beasty
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Yes indeed. Its actually the worst position I can think of for a male professional to be in.
One would probably be less miserable working for Satan, gathering lost souls.
The Dark King
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Well put
Madeleine
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Hmm...we don't have a lot of male nurses here. The German word for it is "Krankenschwester", which literally means "sister to the sick". At some point they changed the official name of the profession to "Krankenpfleger" which means literally "somebody who cares for the sick" to make it more gender-neutral and attractive to men. Still it has that smell of a woman's profession. I have quite a lot of inside info from hospitals, but have never heard that the few male nurses face sexual harassment. Maybe more of gossipping, backbiting or if they are lucky they'd have a good position as the only man among many women. Have to ask my sources on that.
Beasty
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Lucky to have a position as the only man among women?Hmm...we don't have a lot of male nurses here. The German word for it is "Krankenschwester", which literally means "sister to the sick". At some point they changed the official name of the profession to "Krankenpfleger" which means literally "somebody who cares for the sick" to make it more gender-neutral and attractive to men. Still it has that smell of a woman's profession. I have quite a lot of inside info from hospitals, but have never heard that the few male nurses face sexual harassment. Maybe more of gossipping, backbiting or if they are lucky they'd have a good position as the only man among many women. Have to ask my sources on that.
That's laughable. Only very young guys and those that lack experiences in life think that way.
Nothing lucky about that at all.
Madeleine
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I actually thought of making a thread about women in the military before. Was interested to hear what the men, especially the men who have been/ are in the military themselves think of having female comrades and how that actually plays out in a war situation.
It's been 15 years now since women in Germany are allowed to take up any and every position in the military. I read though that the best 20% of women are as good as the weakest 20% of the men (physically). So in theory it certainly sounds good to open the military to women for the sake of justice, but is it practical? Then also the issue of sexual harassment always comes up as soon as one hears of women in the military. And I don't think these stories are all made up.
Military is about the last place on earth I would want to be in as a woman.
So yeah, men and women aren't the same and I don't think we are supposed to be. We have the same VALUE. To me the problem is that things women traditionally do don't get a lot of appreciation in society. We bear children, nurture them, bring them up but that's not enough. Apparently our value as a woman nowadays comes from proving that we can do everything that men do, but better. All the things that make us uniquely women aren't desirable assets. That's why there are a lot of women nowadays who behave like they got a psychological damage from having children and taking care of them. Because they don't know how to embrace being a woman as something good, rather they want to spend their whole life trying to beat men at their own game.
That doesn't mean the workplace should be sexist or women shouldn't work, that's not what I mean. It has more to do with where do we get our identity from and what do we think is valuable for ourselves and society.
Madeleine
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No, no...I take your word for it concerning the US. I have a lot of docs in my family and circle of friends so I just want to ask if they have heard of male nurses being sexually harrassed over here. Just out of curiosity. Also to make sure what I'm saying is correct
K
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I've known quite a few men who were nurses. I don't think they really felt like they had been sexually harassed. But given the latest round of things, they may be thinking differently now - not sure. Sometimes those environments are playful and flirty.
I think it's probably been much like a lot of women who work in male prominent environments. Many just know it's going to be that way and deal with it. They don't make something into "harassment" unless it is something where one is directly demanding or threatening.
IDK maybe I'm too old school about all this stuff, maybe I've dealt with too much of it all to really see it clearly. I've had plenty of situations that could be called into question, and I have. I just always felt if I didn't like it I could make a change (confront things, go above their heads, leave the job, whatever it may be) and I have. I think many jobs you know are male or female dominated and that's something you deal with when you go into it. Nurses have all sorts of different options as to the type of work they do here. Personally, I choose to not work in certain environments because of all sorts of different reasons.
I don't think harassment is ok in any way. I just don't get the waiting for many years and then making a huge showing about it. If it was really about not wanting it to happen to anyone else, or even if it was something where maybe they were so harmed that they weren't able to speak up at the time...then I would think it would be different.
I think it's probably been much like a lot of women who work in male prominent environments. Many just know it's going to be that way and deal with it. They don't make something into "harassment" unless it is something where one is directly demanding or threatening.
IDK maybe I'm too old school about all this stuff, maybe I've dealt with too much of it all to really see it clearly. I've had plenty of situations that could be called into question, and I have. I just always felt if I didn't like it I could make a change (confront things, go above their heads, leave the job, whatever it may be) and I have. I think many jobs you know are male or female dominated and that's something you deal with when you go into it. Nurses have all sorts of different options as to the type of work they do here. Personally, I choose to not work in certain environments because of all sorts of different reasons.
I don't think harassment is ok in any way. I just don't get the waiting for many years and then making a huge showing about it. If it was really about not wanting it to happen to anyone else, or even if it was something where maybe they were so harmed that they weren't able to speak up at the time...then I would think it would be different.
Madeleine
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Incidentally, I can think of a few gay male nurses. That probably works for them.
Madeleine
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There are men who prefer female friends and who like to be around women a lot. If they decide to go into that profession they know in advance it's gonna be that way.
Beasty
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When you say they don't know how to embrace being a woman as something good, the things that make you all unique as women aren't good enough and that the value as a woman nowadays come from proving that you can do everything that men can do but better.
This is apparently the mindset of women these days but who sets those standards for women?
The key is actually your last sentence because only the individual can define their own identity, and determine what is valuable to them as a person.
A man could careless what a woman does for a living or how much money she makes or how many degrees she has. We wish you all would love video games like we do, but that's as far as it goes. Can you blame us for that? We just wish we could share the experience.
Beasty
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Lol. I think you're right about that.
Lol.....ok. I can't help but wonder how many of the straight ones still think that way after the years. Its not like highschool or college.
Anyway best of luck to them, more power to them... Lol
Madeleine
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Most male gynaecologists also work with 80-90% women plus all female patients. They know in advance and deal with it, the good, the bad and the ugly.
Thump
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Working with a disproportionate amount of either gender can have its challenges. Although I feel that women handle being outnumbered by men better than men handle being outnumbered by women. Women seem to be able to become one of the "guys" easier than (straight) men can become one of the "girls".
Beasty
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Forgot about them guys. I guess after reading playboy and penthouse, those guys got the real books and took it to the next level.....lol.
Madeleine
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Naw I'm telling you, those guys are totally desensitized. I know cos I'm married to one. Sometimes hard to understand for a non-medical human being like myself.
And seriously the pics in the books aren't gonna have that type of effect like playboy on you. Rather they make you wonder if you ever want to have sex again.
Thump
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You aint lying, I worked in a gynecologist clinic and it can be pretty damn gross.
Beasty
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I'm sure his temperament is a universe away from mine. I can't begin to imagine......lol.