"she's not hip hop" says hip hop star

[goodlove]

I's not about life or culture as far as the music business is concerned. It is about a genre. And Iggy is a hip-hop artist even if she doesn't look the part of come from a particular racial/cultural background. This defensiveness bullshit that she "ain't real" is the same crap that come sup every time a white artist becomes successful in a genre created and dominated (initially at least) by black folks. And that is especially the case when it comes to white women, the claws really come out then. This whole Iggy backlash reminds me of the hating that white sorority had to deal with after the won a damn stepping contest. All that whining about stealing culture nonsense. Hey, once you put something out there for the public to consume it is fair game for anyone to take part of it and claim it for themselves. I mean should certain things be hands-off if you are a member of a race that did not create an event or a form of entertainment? Should black people then be excluded from making films as a result of not creating that industry? Should non-Asians be excluded from certain martial arts? Should non-whites not be allowed to try performing country music? Should black women be excluded from Miss America Pageants? We are going down a slippery slope as black folks when we practically demand that white people must meet some type of purity test in order to be accepted as legitimate when taking up forms of expressions dominated by blacks.

I get why we feel this way considering our past. In America our music for example has been taken up and overran by white people for the longest time. Jazz. Rock'n'roll. Disco. Blues. And so on and so on. Black people can create the artform but typically only whites have been able to take such music genres to new commercial ($$$) heights. That's a hard truth but nonetheless when black celebs start getting vocal by publicly discounting the white artists who dabble in so-called black music, an argument can be made that their negative reaction is nothing more than a form of racism that white celebs could not get away with if the situation was reversed.

I don't like Iggy's music; I don't buy any of her music. But she has every right to do what she damn pleases. And if she s successful at it simply because the white females who dominate music buying like her material than so be it. Let it go.

Well stated...i mean the women screaming shes not down or whatever.....so is it cool to flaunt your ass like a stripper but want respect for your lyrics.

 

[The Dark King]

I's not about life or culture as far as the music business is concerned. It is about a genre. And Iggy is a hip-hop artist even if she doesn't look the part of come from a particular racial/cultural background. This defensiveness bullshit that she "ain't real" is the same crap that come sup every time a white artist becomes successful in a genre created and dominated (initially at least) by black folks. And that is especially the case when it comes to white women, the claws really come out then. This whole Iggy backlash reminds me of the hating that white sorority had to deal with after the won a damn stepping contest. All that whining about stealing culture nonsense. Hey, once you put something out there for the public to consume it is fair game for anyone to take part of it and claim it for themselves. I mean should certain things be hands-off if you are a member of a race that did not create an event or a form of entertainment? Should black people then be excluded from making films as a result of not creating that industry? Should non-Asians be excluded from certain martial arts? Should non-whites not be allowed to try performing country music? Should black women be excluded from Miss America Pageants? We are going down a slippery slope as black folks when we practically demand that white people must meet some type of purity test in order to be accepted as legitimate when taking up forms of expressions dominated by blacks.

I get why we feel this way considering our past. In America our music for example has been taken up and overran by white people for the longest time. Jazz. Rock'n'roll. Disco. Blues. And so on and so on. Black people can create the artform but typically only whites have been able to take such music genres to new commercial ($$$) heights. That's a hard truth but nonetheless when black celebs start getting vocal by publicly discounting the white artists who dabble in so-called black music, an argument can be made that their negative reaction is nothing more than a form of racism that white celebs could not get away with if the situation was reversed.

I don't like Iggy's music; I don't buy any of her music. But she has every right to do what she damn pleases. And if she s successful at it simply because the white females who dominate music buying like her material than so be it. Let it go.

Let go of what? I said she should capitalize but I definitely get why some would be annoyed because like I said before when your vehicle of earning a living and being visible in the world is hijacked of course there's going to be some salty feelings. And it's not like an Eminem situation where he's clearly better it's an average white chick getting above average acclaim over better more talented bw. It's not her fault but I get the annoyance.

 

[GFunk]

Gangsta rap isnit dead. It's just disguised as "trap music" and "hustle" rap. The motherfuckers still talk about gangsta themes, but shift the focus from mostly violent content to drugs. You know, the same shit, NWA, Ice-T and Too $hort talked about back in the day. Gangsta rap will never be completely gone in my opinion because most rappers are still trying to be hard and that shit will reflect in their music. Maybe not Death Row gangsta, but there will still be elements there as long as kids are buying into the gangsta persona, which it seems more kids are emulating than grown folks are growing out of it. And while hip-hop was meant to unite people and communities, it wasn't meant to go corporate. Although respect to Dr. 50, etc. for getting their money. The thing that makes me happy is that there will always be a huge "underground" following of non-mainstream music(which really isn't so underground anymore) and people seeking out music that doesn't get forced into their heads on the radio. We're always gonna have the Iggys, Futures and other pop shit, but we're also always going to have the Immortal Techniques, Ice Cubes(old Cube) and Scarfaces somewhere out there. We just have to find it.

 

[The Dark King]

As much as I hate new shit, I can't really say "this is hip-hop and this isn't". I can say that it's shit, but hip-hop is no longer rocking parties and DJ's calling b-boys to the floor n' shit. Although, the rapping over techno, dubstep, EDM beats, I will still say I don't feel that is hip-hop. The lines have become so blurred these days.

it's like porn I know it when I see it/hear it.
Hip hop is truth

 

[Ol'Skool Classic]

Let go of what? I said she should capitalize but I definitely get why some would be annoyed because like I said before when your vehicle of earning a living and being visible in the world is hijacked of course there's going to be some salty feelings. And it's not like an Eminem situation where he's clearly better it's an average white chick getting above average acclaim over better more talented bw. It's not her fault but I get the annoyance.

THIS.

 

[1449225]

http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/rah-dig...p-update-iggy-azalea-responds-news.12186.html

Rah digga says iggy is not hip hop. Read article and see why.

Question(s):

What is hip hop?

Who really is qualified to say?

Should iggy care?

Should we care?

Should the standard be if the song is good....

Minaj criticized her for not wroting her on shit. Should ee care?

I'll say this: no one person is a decider on who or what is real hip-hop,but Iggy's biggest hits 'fancy' 'black widow' 'pussy' are pop'ish.

 

[The Dark King]

Let me also add no other art form created by other groups have this push you out effect. It's the only ethnic art form where people who created it are being slowly pushed. That show blackish highlighted it perfectly by pointing out Asians are killing hip hop dancing and the biggest r&b singersare white.
No other group no matter how inclusive deals with that shit

 

[goodlove]

I'll say this: no one person is a decider on who or what is real hip-hop,but Iggy's biggest hits 'fancy' 'black widow' 'pussy' are pop'ish.

Yeah....i dont mind the popish....hell i choose that over the gangsta shit.

B.o.b and travis (nothing on you and billionaire) to me is more hip hop than gangsta rap.

To me that iggy is doing her thang....aint mad at her. Whats really cool is TI is making money pn her. Damn cool

 

[goodlove]

Let me also add no other art form created by other groups have this push you out effect. It's the only ethnic art form where people who created it are being slowly pushed. That show blackish highlighted it perfectly by pointing out Asians are killing hip hop dancing and the biggest r&b singersare white.
No other group no matter how inclusive deals with that shit

Bros need to start making money on that shit. Example robin T. Look around him....black producers. Mo money .
Lol.

 

[samson1701]

I's not about life or culture as far as the music business is concerned. It is about a genre. And Iggy is a hip-hop artist even if she doesn't look the part of come from a particular racial/cultural background. This defensiveness bullshit that she "ain't real" is the same crap that come sup every time a white artist becomes successful in a genre created and dominated (initially at least) by black folks. And that is especially the case when it comes to white women, the claws really come out then. This whole Iggy backlash reminds me of the hating that white sorority had to deal with after the won a damn stepping contest. All that whining about stealing culture nonsense. Hey, once you put something out there for the public to consume it is fair game for anyone to take part of it and claim it for themselves. I mean should certain things be hands-off if you are a member of a race that did not create an event or a form of entertainment? Should black people then be excluded from making films as a result of not creating that industry? Should non-Asians be excluded from certain martial arts? Should non-whites not be allowed to try performing country music? Should black women be excluded from Miss America Pageants? We are going down a slippery slope as black folks when we practically demand that white people must meet some type of purity test in order to be accepted as legitimate when taking up forms of expressions dominated by blacks.

I get why we feel this way considering our past. In America our music for example has been taken up and overran by white people for the longest time. Jazz. Rock'n'roll. Disco. Blues. And so on and so on. Black people can create the artform but typically only whites have been able to take such music genres to new commercial ($$$) heights. That's a hard truth but nonetheless when black celebs start getting vocal by publicly discounting the white artists who dabble in so-called black music, an argument can be made that their negative reaction is nothing more than a form of racism that white celebs could not get away with if the situation was reversed.

I don't like Iggy's music; I don't buy any of her music. But she has every right to do what she damn pleases. And if she s successful at it simply because the white females who dominate music buying like her material than so be it. Let it go.

+100

Let them have it. We'll do what we always do; create something else. I'm excited to see what comes next, anyway. Some where out there in a dank, stanky ass, basement there is a black kid, or group of black kids, making music that sounds like nothing we've ever heard before. The mainstream won't get it at first. Most of us being adults, won't get it. But, the kids will love it and it will grow into the next big thing and produce artists that none of us saw coming.

Hip-hop had it's time on the throne. Now it's time for it to take it's place next to Rock, Jazz, R&B, etc ... Give me what's next.

 

[pettyofficerj]

Back in the 90's, I recall a white woman saying that Gangster Rap will soon run it's course and rap would enter another phase in it's evolution. Well, with songs like works of Will Smith and Pharrell's Happy, it's slowly moving into that next phase. Gangster Rap will be no more than a distant memory and hip pop will reign.

Shit I remember my white music teacher at a mostly white grade school saying that rap wouldn't make it out he 90s, period



Considering the fact that more whites are consumers of rap music than blacks, it's safe to say that it's only going to get whiter over time

Just as Miley Cyrus was credited with 'twerking,' white artists are going to be credited with rapping

 

[Mighty Quinn]

She's a star for all the WRONG reasons, she's blonde and blue eyed emulating a culture and a style that could never happen in reverse. And she may be more about that life than you but you ain't trying to rap are you? And my point was coming from the perspective of people who were rapping during the error where if you were a "poser" like a Vanilla Ice you wouldn't last long. And Onyx was hip hop they may not have been "gangsta" but they emulated the culture which sorry to bring race into it was is an important thing. It's a form of expression born out of struggle and people yearning to be heard. Hip hop has made black people far visible than any other vehicle before it and when the vehicle is bum rushed by commercialism what happens to the passengers and the drivers. I get commerce and think Iggy should make her music because if she doesn't someone else will but I definitely get what Digga is saying. It's something I notice as well where they can consume our style and our music but reject as fricking human beings. They said it on Blackish and it rang really true, what happens to us when the top R&B artists are two blue eyed white guys, what happens when the top hip hop acts are white? We take it for granted because we grew up with it but if it weren't for hip hop there would have been next to know curiosity to get know anything about black people from white society

I was trying, and you better believe I was good at it. But the business/promotion side separates the tinkerers from the heavy hitters.

Iggy is pop, no doubt. And the "Murder Business" song she did with T.I. was suspect. But there is no denying she belongs to Hip-Hop, whether she goes the way of Dance, Electronica, or whatever.

Besides, Black American life is a bit bigger than entertainment. Yes, music gave blacks more visibility, and this will continue, but the thing about culture: it is never yours to keep.

 

[Gorath]

Shit I remember my white music teacher at a mostly white grade school saying that rap wouldn't make it out he 90s, period



Considering the fact that more whites are consumers of rap music than blacks, it's safe to say that it's only going to get whiter over time

Just as Miley Cyrus was credited with 'twerking,' white artists are going to be credited with rapping

When I was working as a corrections officer, the black inmates thought that whites on the outside are not listening to r&b/rap and hip hop. I told them that white people are listening to r&b/rap and hip hop. I see it every day. You can even include reggae to that list, as well. A lot of white people will listen to Bob Marley any day of the week. Sometimes, grunge music is listened to by blacks because they like the aggressiveness in the music. Whites would listen to old Run-DMC and other old school rappers. Music isn't about the music anymore. It is about the honesty and raw emotions that it produces in listeners. Soon, it won't be about race anymore.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

When I was working as a corrections officer, the black inmates thought that whites on the outside are not listening to r&b/rap and hip hop. I told them that white people are listening to r&b/rap and hip hop. I see it every day. You can even include reggae to that list, as well. A lot of white people will listen to Bob Marley any day of the week. Sometimes, grunge music is listened to by blacks because they like the aggressiveness in the music. Whites would listen to old Run-DMC and other old school rappers. Music isn't about the music anymore. It is about the honesty and raw emotions that it produces in listeners. Soon, it won't be about race anymore.

I keep some Nirvana and Pearl Jam on the iPod and I think that rock music in general is great for running and working out. Especially 80s and 90s rock because ain't nobody fucking with Guns n' Roses.

 

[goodlove]

I keep some Nirvana and Pearl Jam on the iPod and I think that rock music in general is great for running and working out. Especially 80s and 90s rock because ain't nobody fucking with Guns n' Roses.

I wonder if whites say darius rucker true country because he didnt live the life

 

[Peach State Scholar]

I wonder if whites say darius rucker true country because he didnt live the life

He's from South Carolina and he went to USC. Plus Hootie & The Blowfish is a rock group but they're pretty close to country in a lot of their songs. I'd say that gives him...well, whatever the country version of street cred is. Lol.

 

[goodlove]

He's from South Carolina and he went to USC. Plus Hootie & The Blowfish is a rock group but they're pretty close to country in a lot of their songs. I'd say that gives him...well, whatever the country version of street cred is. Lol.

Farm cred
Field cred
Lol

I get what you are saying but do u really be having this discussion to the extent blacks have

 

[The Dark King]

Farm cred
Field cred
Lol

I get what you are saying but do u really be having this discussion to the extent blacks have

Nope because "their" music is still theirs

 

[pettyofficerj]

I keep some Nirvana and Pearl Jam on the iPod and I think that rock music in general is great for running and working out. Especially 80s and 90s rock because ain't nobody fucking with Guns n' Roses.

Same here

I listen to alt rock when lifting

Songs from chevelle or breaking Benjamin just have so much energy in them

I wonder if whites say darius rucker true country because he didnt live the life

He actually did catch flak for that

Nice try tho

 

[goodlove]

Same here

I listen to alt rock when lifting

Songs from chevelle or breaking Benjamin just have so much energy in them



He actually did catch flak for that

Nice try tho

From who?