"she's not hip hop" says hip hop star

flaminghetero said:
You sound like you just came to America from Bumfuckistan or some shit.

Jimi Hendrix wasn't a rapper and he was highly desired by WW.

Jazz Brothers were nailing WW long before this hip-hop trash came along.

What about that??
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Keep up. Never said we didn't get ass before hip hop but hip hop definitely gave us more appeal and more representation in the music world. Before hip hop there were far fewer black household names
 
GFunk said:
When the Sugar Hill Gang dropped rappers delight, they caught a lot of shit because they weren't seen a real MCs. One, because the group was put together by Sylvia Robinson like a boy band. They didn't come together themselves like other crews back then. Two, Big Bank Hank bit his verse from Grandmaster Caz from Cold Crush's rhyme book, all the way down to the "I'm the C-A-S-A-N-O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y", which was Caz's full stage name plus the Grandmaster. Whodini, Run-DMC, etc didn't catch shit about authenticity because they came together like other crews and created their own stuff. On top of that, a lot of MCs thought Rappers Delight was just a corny ass song.
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I heard about the sh on the history of rap or some other place but for the most part rap was party music. As i said rundmc is not about that life. People hate to hear this but writing your own rhymes is illegit argument.
If im correct from the doc history of rap LL Cool j wrote some of run dmcs shit. Pharrel wrote and or produced rump shaker (per oprah winfrey interview im gonna check).

If we are to hold people as not real because they didnt write their rhymes then music purist have the correct logic to say rappers and rap are not artists and not music respectivelyvbecause they sample, dont play instruments or just cant and cant write music. I wouldnt doubt about 70% cant do it.
 
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jaisee said:
I could pack a tent and a hammock, go to Africa and spend years studying the Lions on the Serengeti. I could even learn to roar and lick my paw, but that doesn't make me 'about that lion life'.

Unfortunately for the many consumers, but fortunately for anybody looking to exploit hip hop, the industry has been watered down to the point that hip hop is no longer representative of 'that life'. I have officially turned into my parents, because I just cannot get into this bullshit y'all listen to these days. Most of it is not Hip Hop, it's Hip Pop.

Pfft Nicki Minaj... Iggy Izalea (or however the hell it's spelled)
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Join the club. I hardly listen to much Hip-Hop these days. I'll never swear it off though.

This idea that Iggy isn't Hip-Hop because she's popular is nonsensical. She augmented her voice and raps about bringing 88' back. Hardly seems abnormal to me. She took a chance and was not guaranteed success, but she did it; more than you can say for most rap artists who claim to be 'about that life'.

She has flow, presence, and pedigree. I know a star when I see one.
 
Mighty Quinn said:
Join the club. I hardly listen to much Hip-Hop these days. I'll never swear it off though.

This idea that Iggy isn't Hip-Hop because she's popular is nonsensical. She augmented her voice and raps about bringing 88' back. Hardly seems abnormal to me. She took a chance and was not guaranteed success, but she did it; more than you can say for most rap artists who claim to be 'about that life'.

She has flow, presence, and pedigree. I know a star when I see one.
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When it comes to her voice... im like whatever. Cause mel tillis stuttered until he sang.
 
Soulthinker said:
Read she is in hot water on saying the n word. Boy,does she get into a mess.
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It'll blow over like all the rest. Most of these rappers today will give her a pass because she's a pretty white girl down with rappers, so they'll defend her to the death.
 
GFunk said:
It'll blow over like all the rest. Most of these rappers today will give her a pass because she's a pretty white girl down with rappers, so they'll defend her to the death.
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Soulthinker said:
Read she is in hot water on saying the n word. Boy,does she get into a mess.
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Reminds me of fat joe saying nigga

He's on YouTube saying he don't give a fuck who thinks he shouldn't use it

The problem is nigga is a word used by blacks as a form of everyday expression

In the hands of non blacks, it can be used as a weapon which is why there's a gray area

One day you can be down with black people, then decide to flip it and use it like a racist when you decide you're tired of acting black
 
pettyofficerj said:
Reminds me of fat joe saying nigga

He's on YouTube saying he don't give a fuck who thinks he shouldn't use it

The problem is nigga is a word used by blacks as a form of everyday expression

In the hands of non blacks, it can be used as a weapon which is why there's a gray area

One day you can be down with black people, then decide to flip it and use it like a racist when you decide you're tired of acting black
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Thing is, Puerto Ricans, hell, latinos period seem to not catch shit for saying nigga. Once you can say nigga on a record, you're in the clear. Fat Joe, Pun and Tonedeff and countless others say it, and nobody is saying shit. Anyone else has to keep that shit in their circle or in their head.
 
pettyofficerj said:
Reminds me of fat joe saying nigga

He's on YouTube saying he don't give a fuck who thinks he shouldn't use it

The problem is nigga is a word used by blacks as a form of everyday expression

In the hands of non blacks, it can be used as a weapon which is why there's a gray area

One day you can be down with black people, then decide to flip it and use it like a racist when you decide you're tired of acting black
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He's from NY different rules. I don't like it but it is what it is
 
GFunk said:
Thing is, Puerto Ricans, hell, latinos period seem to not catch shit for saying nigga. Once you can say nigga on a record, you're in the clear. Fat Joe, Pun and Tonedeff and countless others say it, and nobody is saying shit. Anyone else has to keep that shit in their circle or in their head.
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I wonder how they'd feel if we started calling them spics and beaners.
 
The Dark King said:
He's from NY different rules. I don't like it but it is what it is
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Yeah that was his rationale behind it

Most ricans or Latinos I know in philly identify with us moreso than they do with white people

They talk about similar experiences as a minority and date blacks, so I don't really give a fuck

I wrote about this Latina I was friends with in HS before, who called me out for asking a white girl to the prom

She was really offended by it
 
pettyofficerj said:
Yeah that was his rationale behind it

Most ricans or Latinos I know in philly identify with us moreso than they do with white people

They talk about similar experiences as a minority and date blacks, so I don't really give a fuck

I wrote about this Latina I was friends with in HS before, who called me out for asking a white girl to the prom

She was really offended by it
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Yeah had a similar experience with a Latina girl when she found out most of my exes were "blancitas"
I was like damn everyone seems to have an issue with this shit lol
 
Watch any Iggy Assalicious or Nicki Minaj video, then go watch Erykah Badu - Love of My Life or Lauren Hill - Ex Factor (or anything else, really).
 
jaisee said:
Watch any Iggy Assalicious or Nicki Minaj video, then go watch Erykah Badu - Love of My Life or Lauren Hill - Ex Factor (or anything else, really).
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I feel ya but in my eyes Nicki and Iggy are still more hip-hop than Lauren and Erykah. The latter are soul singers in my eyes.
 
Satchmo said:
Call me naive, but is there race/gender discrimination in the music industry today - in terms of success measured by $? I'm not trying to make a point; I honestly don't know. Considering not just singers, but producers - think Birdman. Is this topic moot/irrelevant? Could people judge music by taste and talent and there really is no handicap in the industry (on any large scale) on account of race and gender? Did Michael Jackson not make it? Whites rap, blacks sing opera ... both men and women make bank .... who the f* cares? Or am I naive?
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Michael Jackson is the exception, not the rule. Hasn't been until recent years that you have even seen black men more accepted in the opera genre. And race has played a part in music sales for an eternity. Those are just the facts.
 
JamalSpunky said:
I feel ya but in my eyes Nicki and Iggy are still more hip-hop than Lauren and Erykah. The latter are soul singers in my eyes.
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Soul singing to me is a part of hip hop just as much as spittin rhymes. From my perspective, soul is exactly what hip hop is missing these days. Well, soul and talent.
 
The Dark King said:
You saved me a lot of typing. Thank you sir.
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Yes, because giving a pat on the back to a troll who never has anything to offer other than snide remarks and pictures from the MAD magazines he stole from his daddy's collection, says a lot about the validity of your side of the argument. How could anyone save you from typing when in the end there is nothing you can pull out of the air to justify your argument that this Iggy chick is getting rewarded more than black females you see as more talented. There have been and always will be countless artists who are more successful than contemporaries who are superior to them. And of course there will always be consumers/fans complaining that there are many who deserve more success than the popular artists getting all the air play. Nothing new here. But black chicks picking on Iggy definitely seem to have a racial component to add to the mix. Don't tell me if the shoe was on the other foot and a bunch of white female artists were being quoted as being critical of a black female artist who were far more successful than them that black folk wouldn't see that as a form of prejudice.

Nicki Minaj has been getting play on Pop/Top 40 radio stations over the last few years because he music was a better fit for that format than say, Tyler the Creator. Where was the outrage that Minaj's version of hip-hop was watered downed for the mainstream masses? Did Rah Digga take issue with that or did she simply save her scorn for the white girl? If it's the latter then she ruins her argument with her own racial biases.
 
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