Snipers shoot multiple Dallas cops at Protest..Three have died

DudeNY12 said:
Agreed! I think it's obvious that most police officers are good, but what really bothers me are the people (and powers that be) who refuse to call out the bad apples when it's obvious. In NYC especially to call out a cop suspected of wrongdoing immediately lands you on some bullshit "anti-cop/criminal sympathizer" list.

My thing is that no one is above the law including police officers. Police culture has long been a problem,but folks were still giving them the benefit of the doubt nearly all of the time. Society is now seeing that there is indeed a problem, and now you have some cops, their unions and certain politicians sticking up for bad cops and making anyone else out to be anti-cop.

We hear all sort of excuses. Obviously police officers have a tough and often thankless job. However, no one forced them to take the job. If I'm doing unlawful shit at my job... I probably won't have it for long. The huge problem is that there's a serious lack of accountabiliy within the police departments. They often would say they'd like to be respected... That's fine and dandy, but most of us learn as children that you must respect others to get it in return. What they really want is for civilians to be submissive.

Just my two cents.
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Is it fair for me to say that maybe around 60% percent or so of officers are good and the same percentages for civilians of all races as well? Also, you don't have to have a brush with the system to be a bad person. In my opinion, there's no real way of telling who is actually a good person from who isn't. Possibly it could be only 50 / 50 with the whole population in the country. Hence, that's why most people are afraid of each other and don't want to interact with one another.

The Dark King said:
I guess they'll finally see the truth when more white kids and women are gunned down by cops with zero accountability.
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No, they won't. It is already happening. Aggregately, by number, more whites suffer from police brutality than blacks. Per capita, blacks suffer more than whites. It is 3 to 2 or something like that. This is where many people (outside this site) are very confused and frustrated about how to correctly respond. Instead of responding back, you will see other random white people defend themselves by simply not doing anything when they read reports about their own getting taken down by police. For some odd reason, they stay very quiet, brush it aside, and move on with their lives.
 
I think Bliss is just doing what all humans do and that's siding with the team that has your back, at least that's how it looks.
For bm as Beasty points out, it's really difficult to have reverance and respect for the position when we know from experience that they do corrupt shit daily. Several cops have come forward and talked about the corruption, the stop and frisk bs to boost numbers. They destroyed lives with that bs and they targeted poor minorities because they know no one would care. The only thing I will say about cops is I just look at them as another subset of the desperation game we're all playing right now. I think about dudes I've worked with who handle pensions and retirement plans who have had suspicions raised when going into riskier investments before the crash. They didn't care because riskier investment higher commissions and they knew there was a possibility of getting in trouble but they said fuck it because the rewards were too great. I see cops the same way, a bunch of humans who know the chances of actually getting trouble are so small so why not fuck around. I look at them like the financial guys, there are some who are absolute sociopaths who just don't give a fuck but most are just trying to get by and not rock the boat. Praying to make it to retirement and get off the hamster wheel of desperation.
 
Bliss said:
AB..see what l wrote in post #128...
And then read this story of a veteran Dallas (white) Cop breaking rank and speaking out.

Veteran-Dallas-cop-breaks-ranks-slams-public-face-of-togetherness

His grievances...Do you think they are spot on/sincere and helpful to the BC..or self-serving, or even racially motivated?
Could go any way, yeah? Your thoughts?
You too, Beast-y. :cool:
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Bliss, I personally feel the institution of law enforcement is corrupt.

It's so corrupt in the latitude and protections and abuse of authority it allows for cops that it eventually will turn 'good' cops into bad ones.

I had an incident on the D.C. metro a couple months ago.
A transit cop detective and another cop pulled me to the side as I exited the gates and asked to see my ID.

I said why??

He said some bullshit about not being able to tell me unless it was a miranda situation....reading me my rights because I was placed under arrest.

I asked this detective again, you can't tell me why you want to see my ID without arresting me??

He finally said we had an incident on the metro and you 'fit the profile'.

I gave him my ID.

He ran a check on it, found nothing, then 'asked' me to stand against a wall in the train station to take my pic with his smart phone.


Again, I said WHY?????

Now the detective is getting annoyed IMO because I've been too lippy.

He said if I don't hear from him in a week, everything's good....for you.


Now this was just flat out harassment, one of those routine indignities too many Black folk have to deal with from the police.

I'm certain he violated my civil rights a couple times.

But I also knew I had no record and if he was going to cuff me, fuck him.

You're right Bliss, the problem isn't specifically the cops.

The problem is the SYSTEM.

Even police chiefs are judged on specific metrics that have little to do with being ethical or moral.

Police chiefs like any other top management are bottom line thinkers.

They don't want cops in the news for something controversial and they want tangible proof the crime stats are down.

I'm curious what you mean by a police chief not representing the interests of the rank and file cops as the reason for his or her being unpopular???

What interests are those, I wonder?
 
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It is the police themselves on the front line.
Remember that picture that he took was at his discretion. All officers choose to do this stuff. There will be no cares about how he treated you from those cops. People need to get it in their head that some of the cops do not give a shit. i.e. do not earn or want your respect. They will show respect if people start cutting at their salaries or firing them.

andreboba said:
Bliss, I personally feel the institution of law enforcement is corrupt.

It's so corrupt in the latitude and protections and abuse of authority it allows for cops that it eventually will turn 'good' cops into bad ones.

I had an incident on the D.C. metro a couple months ago.
A transit cop detective and another cop pulled me to the side as I exited the gates and asked to see my ID.

I said why??

He said some bullshit about not being able to tell me unless it was a miranda situation....reading me my rights because I was placed under arrest.

I asked this detective again, you can't tell me why you want to see my ID without arresting me??

He finally said we had an incident on the metro and you 'fit the profile'.

I gave him my ID.

He ran a check on it, found nothing, then 'asked' me to stand against a wall in the train station to take my pic with his smart phone.


Again, I said WHY?????

Now the detective is getting annoyed IMO because I've been too lippy.

He said if you don't hear from him in a week, everything's good....for you.


Now this was just flat out harassment, one of those routine indignities too many Black folk have to deal with from the police.

I'm certain he violated my civil rights a couple times.

But I also knew I had no record and if he was going to cuff me, fuck him.

You're right Bliss, the problem isn't specifically the cops.

The problem is the SYSTEM.

Even police chiefs are judged on specific metrics that have little to do with being ethical or moral.

Police chiefs like any other top management are bottom line thinkers.

They don't want cops in the news for something controversial and they want tangible proof the crime stats are down.

I'm curious what you mean by a police chief not representing the interests of the rank and file cops as the reason for his or her being unpopular???

What interests are those, I wonder?
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Bliss said:
AB..see what l wrote in post #128...
And then read this story of a veteran Dallas (white) Cop breaking rank and speaking out.

Veteran-Dallas-cop-breaks-ranks-slams-public-face-of-togetherness

His grievances...Do you think they are spot on/sincere and helpful to the BC..or self-serving, or even racially motivated?
Could go any way, yeah? Your thoughts?
You too, Beast-y. :cool:
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I think he is telling the truth. I suspected that his Chief was putting on a show from the moment he said that bs. Bottom line is that the Cops need to get their shit together, nothing unusual about them all being in the same boat. Once they put on that uniform they are no longer civilians. More of them need to speak out.

If I would have been killed while I was in the military I wouldn't have expected the world to cry over it because I was not a civilian. I expected our enemies to want us dead, nothing abnormal about that at all.

The police should be mindful not to treat civilians as the enemy and go after REAL criminals.
 
As someone who had dealt with white male cops on a regular basis during my earlier college years, I don't think that all cops are bad. A lot of them were young and bored. They were all were looking for some action. What I had learned when I was a correctional officer, was that law enforcement is a big blue, well-armed family. A gang mentality isn't uncommon. Like soldiers in battle, they will look out for each other. It is often observed that law enforcement officers are pretty much alone trying to keep the peace in an environment that is not supportive of them or the law.

I hadn't seen or heard about an event like this since the Charles Whitman case in Austin, Texas. Whitman killed 13 people and wounded many others because he was a Marine sharpshooter. Before his rampage, he killed his wife and mother.

I was and still am thankful that nothing happened after being detained. No arrest, racial antagonism and more importantly, no violence.

All I ever did, and will do again, was ask the officer,"Would you like to see my identification?"
That's it. By asking that question, I defused the situation and the cop. That cop knows that I will cooperate and won't be any trouble.

The justice system in this country isn't perfect. It is wounded and scarred and it's going to take more than a bandage over antiseptic spray in order for the wounds and scars.

These recent and very tragic officer involved shootings are very disturbing.

If all lives matter, as these people who want to reply to the Black Lives Matter movement, none of this violence would have been happening to black and other minorities from the beginning and everyone would count in this country, would it?
 
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Gorath said:
As someone who had dealt with white male cops on a regular basis during my earlier college years, I don't think that all cops are bad. A lot of them were young and bored. They were all were looking for some action. What I had learned when I was a correctional officer, was that law enforcement is a big blue, well-armed family. A gang mentality isn't uncommon. Like soldiers in battle, they will look out for each other. It is often observed that law enforcement officers are pretty much alone trying to keep the peace in an environment that is not supportive of them or the law.

I hadn't seen or heard about an event like this since the Charles Whitman case in Austin, Texas. Whitman killed 13 people and wounded many others because he was a Marine sharpshooter. Before his rampage, he killed his wife and mother.

I was and still am thankful that nothing happened after being detained. No arrest, racial antagonism and more importantly, no violence.

All I ever did, and will do again, was ask the officer,"Would you like to see my identification?"
That's it. By asking that question, I defused the situation and the cop. That cop knows that I will cooperate and won't be any trouble.

The justice system in this country isn't perfect. It is wounded and scarred and it's going to take more than a bandage over antiseptic spray in order for the wounds and scars.

These recent and very tragic officer involved shootings are very disturbing.

If all lives matter, as these people who want to reply to the Black Lives Matter movement, none of this violence would have been happening to black and other minorities from the beginning and everyone would count in this country, would it?
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Good read, Gor.

Btw, your diffuse tactic you used surprised me even just reading it. Very clever. I can see why it worked - three him off guard, almost like an Instant removal of his bias or suspicion...
Sadly though some cops might think it's a ploy to get a weapon. "Why did you arrest him, officer?
"He asked me if l wanted to see his ID". :rolleyes:
 
Gorath said:
As someone who had dealt with white male cops on a regular basis during my earlier college years, I don't think that all cops are bad. A lot of them were young and bored. They were all were looking for some action. What I had learned when I was a correctional officer, was that law enforcement is a big blue, well-armed family. A gang mentality isn't uncommon. Like soldiers in battle, they will look out for each other. It is often observed that law enforcement officers are pretty much alone trying to keep the peace in an environment that is not supportive of them or the law.

I hadn't seen or heard about an event like this since the Charles Whitman case in Austin, Texas. Whitman killed 13 people and wounded many others because he was a Marine sharpshooter. Before his rampage, he killed his wife and mother.

I was and still am thankful that nothing happened after being detained. No arrest, racial antagonism and more importantly, no violence.

All I ever did, and will do again, was ask the officer,"Would you like to see my identification?"
That's it. By asking that question, I defused the situation and the cop. That cop knows that I will cooperate and won't be any trouble.

The justice system in this country isn't perfect. It is wounded and scarred and it's going to take more than a bandage over antiseptic spray in order for the wounds and scars.

These recent and very tragic officer involved shootings are very disturbing.

If all lives matter, as these people who want to reply to the Black Lives Matter movement, none of this violence would have been happening to black and other minorities from the beginning and everyone would count in this country, would it?
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Good read, Gor.

Btw, your diffuse tactic you used surprised me even just reading it. Very clever. I can see why it worked - threw him off guard, almost like an Instant removal of his bias or suspicion...
Sadly though some cops might think it's a ploy to get a weapon. "Why did you arrest him, officer?
"He asked me if l wanted to see his ID". :rolleyes:
 
Gorath said:
As someone who had dealt with white male cops on a regular basis during my earlier college years, I don't think that all cops are bad. A lot of them were young and bored. They were all were looking for some action. What I had learned when I was a correctional officer, was that law enforcement is a big blue, well-armed family. A gang mentality isn't uncommon. Like soldiers in battle, they will look out for each other. It is often observed that law enforcement officers are pretty much alone trying to keep the peace in an environment that is not supportive of them or the law.

I hadn't seen or heard about an event like this since the Charles Whitman case in Austin, Texas. Whitman killed 13 people and wounded many others because he was a Marine sharpshooter. Before his rampage, he killed his wife and mother.

I was and still am thankful that nothing happened after being detained. No arrest, racial antagonism and more importantly, no violence.

All I ever did, and will do again, was ask the officer,"Would you like to see my identification?"
That's it. By asking that question, I defused the situation and the cop. That cop knows that I will cooperate and won't be any trouble.

The justice system in this country isn't perfect. It is wounded and scarred and it's going to take more than a bandage over antiseptic spray in order for the wounds and scars.

These recent and very tragic officer involved shootings are very disturbing.

If all lives matter, as these people who want to reply to the Black Lives Matter movement, none of this violence would have been happening to black and other minorities from the beginning and everyone would count in this country, would it?
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Good read, Gor.

Btw, your diffuse tactic you used surprised me even just reading it. Very clever. I can see why it worked - threw him off guard, almost like a subtle removal of his bias or suspicion...
Sadly though some cops might think it's a ploy to get a weapon. "Why did you arrest him, officer?
"He asked me if l wanted to see his ID". :rolleyes:
 
andreboba said:
Bliss, I personally feel the institution of law enforcement is corrupt.

It's so corrupt in the latitude and protections and abuse of authority it allows for cops that it eventually will turn 'good' cops into bad ones.

I had an incident on the D.C. metro a couple months ago.
A transit cop detective and another cop pulled me to the side as I exited the gates and asked to see my ID.

I said why??

He said some bullshit about not being able to tell me unless it was a miranda situation....reading me my rights because I was placed under arrest.

I asked this detective again, you can't tell me why you want to see my ID without arresting me??

He finally said we had an incident on the metro and you 'fit the profile'.

I gave him my ID.

He ran a check on it, found nothing, then 'asked' me to stand against a wall in the train station to take my pic with his smart phone.


Again, I said WHY?????

Now the detective is getting annoyed IMO because I've been too lippy.

He said if I don't hear from him in a week, everything's good....for you.


Now this was just flat out harassment, one of those routine indignities too many Black folk have to deal with from the police.

I'm certain he violated my civil rights a couple times.

But I also knew I had no record and if he was going to cuff me, fuck him.

You're right Bliss, the problem isn't specifically the cops.

The problem is the SYSTEM.

Even police chiefs are judged on specific metrics that have little to do with being ethical or moral.

Police chiefs like any other top management are bottom line thinkers.

They don't want cops in the news for something controversial and they want tangible proof the crime stats are down.

I'm curious what you mean by a police chief not representing the interests of the rank and file cops as the reason for his or her being unpopular???

What interests are those, I wonder?
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Work has me swamped and working till 1am tonight...l defintely want to comment tomorrow on this and your question..Also have something to share that will reinforce (or not) your feelings..and also make Beasty happy? Or just plain mad. :smt066 lol :p
 
Tim Scott (Republican who was elected riding the tea party wave) tells of his encounters with the police.....as a senator.

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/14/48599...-hes-been-stopped-7-times-by-police-in-a-year


WATCH THE VIDEO IN TGE ARTICLE: Black GOP Senator Says He's Been Stopped By Police 7 Times In A Year

EXCERPT:

Following last week's deadly shootings, South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott gave a deeply personal speech on the Senate floor in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday about the "deep divide" between communities and law enforcement.

While many law enforcement officers do good, he said, some do not. "I've experienced it myself."

Scott revealed that he has been stopped seven times in the course of one year as an elected official. "Was I speeding sometimes? Sure. But the vast majority of the time I was pulled over for driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or something else just as trivial."
 
goodlove8 said:
Tim Scott (Republican who was elected riding the tea party wave) tells of his encounters with the police.....as a senator.

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/14/48599...-hes-been-stopped-7-times-by-police-in-a-year


WATCH THE VIDEO IN TGE ARTICLE: Black GOP Senator Says He's Been Stopped By Police 7 Times In A Year

EXCERPT:

Following last week's deadly shootings, South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott gave a deeply personal speech on the Senate floor in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday about the "deep divide" between communities and law enforcement.

While many law enforcement officers do good, he said, some do not. "I've experienced it myself."

Scott revealed that he has been stopped seven times in the course of one year as an elected official. "Was I speeding sometimes? Sure. But the vast majority of the time I was pulled over for driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or something else just as trivial."
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From the comments section of the link above. White people who are honest know shit is fucked up;

Rachel john zaretzki • 10 hours ago My father owned a bail bonds growing up. I worked there for a decade both all through college and then after. Seeing the amount of young men of color go to jail (we're talking 16 year olds sometimes) for the same nonsense my friends and I were doing regularly was surreal.
The same white kids who were dealing prescriptions and worse in my upper middle class high school used to joke about their court ordered rehab. No jail time, though. It might be too harmful to their future.
Straddling worlds like that made it easy to see the crazy disparity we have in our nation. It's sad we can't come together and decide that's wrong.


Meghan Rachel • 10 hours ago I've said it before (and it's been deleted), but...white kids get therapy for what black kids go to jail for.




They absolutely do. I watched it for a decade. It's insane.
Get thrown in jail (and the Dallas County jail is no place for children, I've seen grown men and women cry uncontrollably after what they've seen in there) and then chided for not "pulling themselves up from their bootstraps".

KevinRutan funbobby51 • 3 hours ago ...... it seems that if you are black, the discretion trends towards being "an officer first" where dealing with white kids its "Well they are just growing up, give them a break"
 
Bliss said:
Good read, Gor.

Btw, your diffuse tactic you used surprised me even just reading it. Very clever. I can see why it worked - threw him off guard, almost like a subtle removal of his bias or suspicion...
Sadly though some cops might think it's a ploy to get a weapon. "Why did you arrest him, officer?
"He asked me if l wanted to see his ID". :rolleyes:
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I've used this tactic a lot and still do to this day. Back in those days I became quite well-known to both the police and the sheriff's department. I didn't have a gun or other weapons on me. I have seen black and Latino guys go ballistic simply because a cop stopped them to question them. They were detained not arrested. After the cop leaves the young men are still angry.

My father was a New Jersey State Trooper. He didn't teach me a lot. I remember growing up watching cop shows on television with him. Especially, Adam-12, Dragnet, The Rookies, Ironside, Kojack, Hawaii 5-0 and many others.

My father took me to my first live boxing match. He was in uniform. I also helped him at a booth during a career fair. A couple stopped by. The woman asked me"Aren't you a little to young for this?"
I shrugged and grinned sheepishly. I was 10 at that time.

There was a gang fight outside the place where the boxing match took place. I saw a bunch of kids run in all directions. One kid ran pasty father. Dad tried to detain the boy but he somehow broke away from him. All that my father got from him was his hat.

I have always admired and respected law enforcement officers. It seemed like every cop I saw was my father in the respect that my father was also a cop.

I try and tell other guys about not challenging the police. Just because there is one cop doesn't mean that another cop isn't close by.
 
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