So Ray Rice is the New Public Enemy #1???

archangel said:
You can't defend if you are the first to attack. That's the problem with the "They defend themselves".
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He hit her before she charged at him. Take a look again.
And even if she did hit first, there are no excuses for what he did.
And of course she is responsible for her actions in this, that does not mysteriously absolve him of any of his responsibility in what he did.

I'm not even going to bother with that delusional lucky dude.

On a side note, a few days ago, here in LA, a man in a motorized scooter/wheelchair was abused, on camera, by his suppose, she hit and pushed and tipped over the wheelchair and then she attempted to back over him with her huge SUV!!!! It was discussing and horrifying. He DEFENDED her, blaming himself. A typical behavior of battered spouses.

I find it so disheartening that people fail to see the bigger picture in spousal abuse. If you live with this, of course, you at times will lash out, to think otherwise is just odd to me. I don't get why people think she got what she deserved or that she provoked it. That would be the case if it was one isolated fight, no more, and if he didnt hit her thebway he did, knocking her out cold.
It is very clear that this is not the first time he hit her, very clear. And if someone questions that, well ... Horrifying thought.
 
"Offensive and dismissive indeed. Also ignorant, hateful, rude, misogynistic, clueless, disrespectful, uncouth, unmanly, with an exceptional knack for speaking out of your ass. Disgusting and pathetic. If you hate women so much, why are you here??????"

What I said probably was offensive because you can't handle the truth. Your response is nothing more than a emotional reaction to valid points that you can't challenge.
 
FG said:
I don't think that is the case, media don't care, they move on to the next story immediately when attention is dwindling. That is how they work. All about numbers, not what is right. Media do that all the time, they dont have stake in civil rights, they care about getting viewers.
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Agreed. The media is about sensationalism and ratings. This story is just the current 'big thing' right now; at some point something else will come along to take its place.


FG said:
I don't think there are any double standards here. The general public don't follow mma, nobody knows who was machine is, in general. There have been a number of NFL players up for spousal abuse in the past (warren moon and a few others that names are escaping me) there was a day when this was not tied to public opinion, maybe because it wasn't caught on video and really put a a face to it. Or maybe spousal abuse simply is a bigger issue these days. They got off much better than they would have today.
Mike Tyson probably also would have gotten off worse if it happened today.

The video of rice was truly heinous, he had absolutely no regard, carelessly dragging her out. Did you see him concerned? Did he try to check if she was ok? That is so telling. Also, If you look at the video, he has boxed her into a corner, indicating he is going on her. She has no escape, no escape. What does a trapped animal do? They lash out in self preservation. To me, it looks like he is starting it, she is trying to do what she can to protect herself, and get clocked, brutally so. And then no concern, no remorse, no nothing.

In all fairness, I don't think we have seen the likes of spousal abuse in the media ever. I think that is one of the driving forces. Its out.

Yes, they were babtized a month after this happened but hell, did anyone see his apology?????? He apologized to the fans and everybody-but not his wife! I mean, seriously? He dug the grave he is in. There is no alternative motive here. He made himself the poster child of something the NFL officially is trying to fight. Not until the public and media reacted, did NFL take the action they did.the public has had an eye on domestic abuse in the NFL for a while, I think they were forced to take action and I don't think, in this case, Rice's skin color had anything to do with it. In this case.in this case. In this case. It would have been different if it was not caught on tape
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FG said:
I think you should look at the video again, he has her cornered, that may indicate that he is the aggressor, backing her up in that corner. She has no where to go. What does a cornered animal do? They defend themselves. He hits her, that is when she lashes out then he cracks her hard.
I'm sad that you feel that way about her shows you have no understanding of the dynamics in domestic violence and what it does to victims.
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wtarshi said:
http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video

This hasn't hit the news over here, so I had to google the video.
From the above video, I see him spit on her before they get in the elevator and then start the attack in the elevator. There was no care shown when he knocked her out.
He's a violent pig
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It sounds like you ladies watched the same video I did. From what the video showed, he was definitely the aggressor. Even her body language when they got in the elevator showed she felt threatened. He was all up in her space and hit her first; then she snapped at him the way someone cornered naturally would (I don't know where people got that she spit in his face from because that wasn't in the video). It's the basic fight-or-flight response; she damn sure couldn't flee, so she tried to defend herself and got knocked the hell out for doing so. I wouldn't say lashing out was the safest or wisest response, but clear thinking isn't exactly typical in this type of situation.

Domestic violence fucks people up more than just physically, and it's sad and scary that society is so dismissive and indifferent rather than trying to understand the depth of what's really going on.

As I said in another thread, an abuser has absolutely no excuse his or her actions, because abuse is never acceptable behavior.

I pray that if they stay together they get the help they need to put an end to the abuse for the sake of their daughter and themselves. And if the abuse doesn't stop, I pray she finds the strength and the means to get herself and the little girl out of there safely.
 
FG said:
He hit her before she charged at him. Take a look again.
And even if she did hit first, there are no excuses for what he did.
And of course she is responsible for her actions in this, that does not mysteriously absolve him of any of his responsibility in what he did.

I'm not even going to bother with that delusional lucky dude.

On a side note, a few days ago, here in LA, a man in a motorized scooter/wheelchair was abused, on camera, by his suppose, she hit and pushed and tipped over the wheelchair and then she attempted to back over him with her huge SUV!!!! It was discussing and horrifying. He DEFENDED her, blaming himself. A typical behavior of battered spouses.

I find it so disheartening that people fail to see the bigger picture in spousal abuse. If you live with this, of course, you at times will lash out, to think otherwise is just odd to me. I don't get why people think she got what she deserved or that she provoked it. That would be the case if it was one isolated fight, no more, and if he didnt hit her thebway he did, knocking her out cold.
It is very clear that this is not the first time he hit her, very clear. And if someone questions that, well ... Horrifying thought.
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I'm going to have to review the video. If he went solange on her, then I'll agree with you.
 
archangel said:
I'm going to have to review the video. If he went solange on her, then I'll agree with you.
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This stuff started before the elevator even began. I don't know who started it. but whoever physically assualted first is the bad guy.


If rice did start it, I got to say sucks to be ranay. First, you got knocked out for defending yourself and now you have no income.

victimized by husband and then society. She could have divorced him and got some money if he didn't get fired.
Now half the crap is hers i.e. the taxes that he has to pay for the houses that could probably only afford due to the lucrative job will be half her debt.
Had this been laid low, and she divorced him for abuse... would have been a better ending.
 
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FG said:
He hit her before she charged at him. Take a look again.
And even if she did hit first, there are no excuses for what he did.
And of course she is responsible for her actions in this, that does not mysteriously absolve him of any of his responsibility in what he did.

I'm not even going to bother with that delusional lucky dude.

On a side note, a few days ago, here in LA, a man in a motorized scooter/wheelchair was abused, on camera, by his suppose, she hit and pushed and tipped over the wheelchair and then she attempted to back over him with her huge SUV!!!! It was discussing and horrifying. He DEFENDED her, blaming himself. A typical behavior of battered spouses.

I find it so disheartening that people fail to see the bigger picture in spousal abuse. If you live with this, of course, you at times will lash out, to think otherwise is just odd to me. I don't get why people think she got what she deserved or that she provoked it. That would be the case if it was one isolated fight, no more, and if he didnt hit her thebway he did, knocking her out cold.
It is very clear that this is not the first time he hit her, very clear. And if someone questions that, well ... Horrifying thought.
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I disagree. I've dealt with many levels of domestic violence in my family and from my experience, battered women don't lash out. Battered women, again in my experience, simply don't fight back...hell they're all too familiar with what will happen if they do. Because of the way she "defended/provoked" I'm lead to believe there isn't a history of violence like this. The long video shows her spitting on him before he hits her. It's pretty clear imo. I don't know an abuse victim who'd ever be so ballsy as to do that. That's just my experience though. None of us are in their relationship so who the heck knows for certain.

I 100% agree that he shouldn't have hit her like he did. I don't think anyone deserves to be abused and no one should put up with it. Personal accountability has to come into the discussion at some point. I know women who've been strong enough to leave their situation, and some that haven't had the strength to do so. It kills me that they think so little of themselves that they stay with their abuser. All the help in the world can't be forced on someone who doesn't want it though. Many choices in life aren't easy, some are harder than we ever think we'll be able to handle. It doesn't mean we waive the white flag though. If a woman chooses to stay in an abusive relationship, that's her choice.
 
I wonder why War Machine's acts did not went viral like a Black Football player? The Blacks who Tweet,FB,Intstagram must make viral those White atheletes who beat women too.
 
Soulthinker said:
I wonder why War Machine's acts did not went viral like a Black Football player? The Blacks who Tweet,FB,Intstagram must make viral those White atheletes who beat women too.
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I've mentioned this before and people were claiming that War Machine isn't relevant enough. That's a sorry excuse because there are A-list white male celebs who were arrested for domestic violence multiple times and they were not receiving this type of scrutiny like Ray Rice.
 
RaiderLL said:
I disagree. I've dealt with many levels of domestic violence in my family and from my experience, battered women don't lash out. Battered women, again in my experience, simply don't fight back...hell they're all too familiar with what will happen if they do. Because of the way she "defended/provoked" I'm lead to believe there isn't a history of violence like this. The long video shows her spitting on him before he hits her. It's pretty clear imo. I don't know an abuse victim who'd ever be so ballsy as to do that. That's just my experience though. None of us are in their relationship so who the heck knows for certain.

I 100% agree that he shouldn't have hit her like he did. I don't think anyone deserves to be abused and no one should put up with it. Personal accountability has to come into the discussion at some point. I know women who've been strong enough to leave their situation, and some that haven't had the strength to do so. It kills me that they think so little of themselves that they stay with their abuser. All the help in the world can't be forced on someone who doesn't want it though. Many choices in life aren't easy, some are harder than we ever think we'll be able to handle. It doesn't mean we waive the white flag though. If a woman chooses to stay in an abusive relationship, that's her choice.
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I'm sorry but I think its naive to think that all domestic abuse victims are fitting one bill with shrinking back and never retort. Many victims have at one point or another, retorted. Often, that is not a planned event, but a fight or flight response, a reflex.

In terms of leaving; it's complex, not all abusers are the same, some are simply bad tempered and don't know how to handle their anger, others are simply sadistic and know exactly what they do, including the mental and emotional abuse. Yet other simply think it is they right.

If your abuse is someone that simply can't handle their anger, and don't use mental and emotional abuse, it is way easier to leave because you have not been broken down.

Domestic abuse is very, very complicated and and the dynamics can be very different between cases.

For those that think I'm defending women as a feminist always blaming the man. I do not consider myself a feminist, depending on how one chooses to interpret that word.

I choose to stay away from specifically talking about women as there are fare more men being abused than people tend to think. Women are not excluded from being the abuser. I have used the term ' domestic abuse' in every post I made about this specifically to stay away from singling out men as abusers.
 
FG said:
I'm sorry but I think its naive to think that all domestic abuse victims are fitting one bill with shrinking back and never retort. Many victims have at one point or another, retorted. Often, that is not a planned event, but a fight or flight response, a reflex.

In terms of leaving; it's complex, not all abusers are the same, some are simply bad tempered and don't know how to handle their anger, others are simply sadistic and know exactly what they do, including the mental and emotional abuse. Yet other simply think it is they right.

If your abuse is someone that simply can't handle their anger, and don't use mental and emotional abuse, it is way easier to leave because you have not been broken down.

Domestic abuse is very, very complicated and and the dynamics can be very different between cases.

For those that think I'm defending women as a feminist always blaming the man. I do not consider myself a feminist, depending on how one chooses to interpret that word.

I choose to stay away from specifically talking about women as there are fare more men being abused than people tend to think. Women are not excluded from being the abuser. I have used the term ' domestic abuse' in every post I made about this specifically to stay away from singling out men as abusers.
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I certainly don't think all victims fit one bill that's why I says a few times "from my experience" when describing my views on the topic. The issue of domestic violence definitely has layers upon layers and regardless of the specifics of each persons case, it's incredibly sad that they've had to deal with violence in their relationship...and even sadder when they choose to stay.
 
RaiderLL said:
I certainly don't think all victims fit one bill that's why I says a few times "from my experience" when describing my views on the topic. The issue of domestic violence definitely has layers upon layers and regardless of the specifics of each persons case, it's incredibly sad that they've had to deal with violence in their relationship...and even sadder when they choose to stay.
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Totally agree with that.
 
archangel said:
Just make sure she isn't dating a war machine.

Most horrendous beat down I have ever seen done to a woman by a former lover.
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Right?! And no one seems to care about this guy! Smh
I also just learned that he allegedly attacked ex-girlfriend porn actress Alanah Rae in 2009.
 
There is an African adage which says " while advising the cat not to eat the fish, you must also advise the fish to try and avoid being eaten by the cat. Ray Rice is a retard for knocking her our and pulling her like a ragdoll but please, please please women stop swinging at men cus not all men can keep their temper in check and you could be knocked out cold:cool:
 
qwils86 said:
Notice how the media is excessively covering this Ray Rice shit while MMA fighter War Machine is getting charged with attempted murder on his girlfriend porn-star Christy Mack. Why isn't the country talking about this guy as well? SMH that's some good ole racism for you!


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/09/war-machine-christy-mack-attempted-murder-not-guilty/
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- Pennsylvania cop shooter
- Tony Stewart
- Elliot Rogers

They've gotten coverage too but you're right. Most people (taking race out of it), don't like how the media portrays news and events. We need to learn how to never get into an altercation and do anything wrong. Anyone who is non-white has more societal pressure to always act right and not get into an altercation with another person. That's just the way it is here.
 
Mikey said:
- Pennsylvania cop shooter
- Tony Stewart
- Elliot Rogers

They've gotten coverage too but you're right. Most people (taking race out of it), don't like how the media portrays news and events. We need to learn how to never get into an altercation and do anything wrong. Anyone who is non-white has more societal pressure to always act right and not get into an altercation with another person. That's just the way it is here.
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It is not just societal pressure, but personal. It's that little voice that asks, "What are you going to do about it?"

What can you do about it? Its becomes a case of fight or flight. Or, do or die.
But what is the situation? Is it real and in front of you? Or is it all in your head?

There are many triggers to set a person off. Some have an agenda while others want the attention no matter how it turns out.
 
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