Some in the black community speaking out against Blm

There are only so many problems a person can solve, and it becomes exponentially more difficult when people are unwilling to change. It starts with the black family structure and the values we instill, from there the career paths that we take, and the positions we hold in order to change policy. That can't generally happen when the problems that I elaborated on earlier still exist (the ones within the black community). We also take on a rather large amount of white liberal ideas that negatively affect us. All, in all, some problems I am incapable of solving, because the vast majority of our community will not change and will continue this endless circle where the sons and daughters continue the same destructive path (IE. you cannot fix people who think there is nothing wrong with them, or people who are comfortable in their pain and anguish).

All I can do (which I already do), is help those and mentor those within my vicinity. I can't fix the black community because I am one man who was raised with values and self respect which is not a popular thing to the majority of youths and the lower class. I can't help but wonder. If James Baldwin existed today, maybe he would be laughed at for his manner of speaking, and the way he approached things... or maybe no one would listen at all.

There is a part of me that wonders... if BLM did attempt to better the community by instilling values, pushing for better sexual education, pushing for a better black family unity... I wonder if people would stop listening because it doesn't push the blame on everyone else...

You can't save what doesn't want to be saved. In addition, their demands to hold white people accountable for their injustices, while commendable, will ultimately go virtually nowhere. Why? Because white people, on average have no interest in being held accountable. They just want to watch the annual slave movie of the year, tap into a little white guilt, pat themselves on the back and go back to their everyday lives.

I had high hopes for BLM in the beginning. But, I came back to reality.


I would also like to add, that I find it amusing that you remember an old post where I said I was a problem solver. I am glad you remember that. Some problems can't be solved. I still can't solve the problem of getting justice from the woman who raped me. Nor can I solve the problem of why the black women friends I have had in the past get angry with me when I say I find it difficult to get close to "sistas" after what happened to me. Hell, I can't even talk about it at a group therapy session without feminists in that session either yelling at me, laughing at me, or derailing it. I know my limits, Beasty. And, as it stands, currently, there are many problems that I am not in a position to change as one man. Maybe one day, but that day is not today.



Either way, that is my two cents. I return the question to you. What will you do to solve it?
The gang problem in Chicago go back almost 100 years.

Al Capone was not a Brother...nor was Hymie Weiss..Dion O'Banion...Frank Nitti...Johnny Torio...Big Jim Colosimo....Bugs Moran...Baby Face Nelson...John Dillinger...ect ect ect

They didn't fall from the sky already corrupt and violent...they came from a culture of violence ....a culture they carried with them to America from their old countries.
 
Omg really? Then what's the alternate

Don't hold your breath. Complainers don't need to have solutions everyone else does. They are either the only positive influence in the Black community or its somehow your responsibility because they said so.
 
The gang problem in Chicago go back almost 100 years.

Al Capone was not a Brother...nor was Hymie Weiss..Dion O'Banion...Frank Nitti...Johnny Torio...Big Jim Colosimo....Bugs Moran...Baby Face Nelson...John Dillinger...ect ect ect

They didn't fall from the sky already corrupt and violent...they came from a culture of violence ....a culture they carried with them to America from their old countries.

Do you think it's the same now though in terms of their actions?

The newer (not so new now) Asian and Mexican gangs are said to have brought it with them from their countries. What about the beginnings of the black gangs?

Do you think some took over from the past existing gangs in Chicago?

The thing is that those old family gangs have never really gone away. Best believe the names you know of were not those who were running things. They were fall guys. You wouldn't know who was (and is) behind it all. It's part of the structure of it all.
 
This 40 minute interview explains why Black folks shouldn't be fuccing with "Black Lives Matter":

Nyota Uhura Speaks On White Liberals Funding & Controlling #BLM,George Soros, & Democrat Sabotage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcGby7xvoZg
[YOUTUBE]fcGby7xvoZg[/YOUTUBE]

The problem with the alternative is white conservatives aren't any better. They speak out against and exposes this as well, but they're solutions are racism in the justice system is a false narrative and instead black people should focus on the crime rate in the black communities and fix it themselves. Anybody that care enough to point out problems, but offer no help in finding a solution are letting you know they don't care about solutions to a problem, they just love lambasting about the problem.
 
The problem with the alternative is white conservatives aren't any better. They speak out against and exposes this as well, but they're solutions are racism in the justice system is a false narrative and instead black people should focus on the crime rate in the black communities and fix it themselves. Anybody that care enough to point out problems, but offer no help in finding a solution are letting you know they don't care about solutions to a problem, they just love lambasting about the problem.

QFT
 
Do you think it's the same now though in terms of their actions?

The newer (not so new now) Asian and Mexican gangs are said to have brought it with them from their countries. What about the beginnings of the black gangs?

Do you think some took over from the past existing gangs in Chicago?

The thing is that those old family gangs have never really gone away. Best believe the names you know of were not those who were running things. They were fall guys. You wouldn't know who was (and is) behind it all. It's part of the structure of it all.
I think Flames point is that Chicago has always been a gang city. It's disingenuous to make Chicago about "black on black" crime. Chicago is a gang city and perhaps the father of all American gangs. There has always been a blood bath in Chicago people are talking about this as if it is something new. Gangs have a culture that has thrived in that town, race is irrelevant.

To your point. I'm sure those gangs have not gone away they have just transformed. Luciano was very instrumental in transforming the mafia and bringing it into the new age. I'm sure it has changed even more since then, they are still around just not as noticeable due to the transformation that was made.

People can't seriously think protesting these gangs is the answer.
 
I think Flames point is that Chicago has always been a gang city. It's disingenuous to make Chicago about "black on black" crime. Chicago is a gang city and perhaps the father of all American gangs. There has always been a blood bath in Chicago people are talking about this as if it is something new. Gangs have a culture that has thrived in that town, race is irrelevant.

To your point. I'm sure those gangs have not gone away they have just transformed. Luciano was very instrumental in transforming the mafia and bringing it into the new age. I'm sure it has changed even more since then, they are still around just not as noticeable due to the transformation that was made.

People can't seriously think protesting these gangs is the answer.

Of course they know it's not the answer they just want black people to stay silent. More and more they are making it clear we are unwelcomed guests. How dare we criticize their system that works for them we should be happy they let us in after all we could be in Africa.
Smh. It's all so fucked up.
Our people literally this country and we get treated like free loaders. Ironic the people who actually got paid for their services are calling the people who did more work for nothing lazy.
 
*sigh*

Mikey, my post was rhetorical because at the end of the day no one here is enlightening Paniro or anyone else who happens to share a similar mindset, on anything. And by that same token Paniro definitely isn't enlightening anyone here with opposite views to his own on anything either.
I re-read your posts and now I can see it.

I'm not sure what you thought of my own post, but let's be real here. We (collectively) are our own worst enemy. When a social justice movement is set up, for whatever reasons, a slim majority of Americans tend to form resistance, act condescending to it, police officers clash with it, and they vocally tell the organization to shut up and leave. These things even happened with the Civil Rights Movement back in the 60s and continues today with other social movements, including the Black Lives Matter one today. Everyone understands we have a societal problem, but most people say that don't like the way the organizations express their movement and convey across their message. I don't think that Black Lives Matter would shut down like Occupy Wall Street did. What they will probably be fighting is the irritation/fed-up ness that people have when anything regarding a certain race of people is expressed, especially if it's designed to be positive or uplifting. They are trying to convert the movement to All Lives Matter while other people want the movement to be erased completely. It's not really about who is racist and who isn't, it's as if our choice of words is limited and we can't say anything we would like to anymore without people getting angry at the complaining party.
 
I re-read your posts and now I can see it.

I'm not sure what you thought of my own post, but let's be real here. We (collectively) are our own worst enemy. When a social justice movement is set up, for whatever reasons, a slim majority of Americans tend to form resistance, act condescending to it, police officers clash with it, and they vocally tell the organization to shut up and leave. These things even happened with the Civil Rights Movement back in the 60s and continues today with other social movements, including the Black Lives Matter one today. Everyone understands we have a societal problem, but most people say that don't like the way the organizations express their movement and convey across their message. I don't think that Black Lives Matter would shut down like Occupy Wall Street did. What they will probably be fighting is the irritation/fed-up ness that people have when anything regarding a certain race of people is expressed, especially if it's designed to be positive or uplifting. They are trying to convert the movement to All Lives Matter while other people want the movement to be erased completely. It's not really about who is racist and who isn't, it's as if our choice of words is limited and we can't say anything we would like to anymore without people getting angry at the complaining party.


All Amerikkkan Entitlement. "I'm not getting fucked with, so fuck you and stop irritating me with YOUR problems."
 
When BLM came about, I thought back to another possible reason. The media.

Victims of crimes and other other events that were on the local and national news on television were mostly white men, women and children. If they are very ill and in need of help the media covered their story. It happened a lot during the 70's, especially in the South.

Victims who are minorities were mentioned, but not given the full coverage.

Then came the story of Natalie Holloway. Whose disappearance and murder was all over the media.

On an episode of Dr. Phil, a mother who was black pointed out this fact. She wanted everyone to about the disappearance of her daughter. Dr. Phil asked a television anchor about that. The anchor explained that there is a saying in the business; "If it bleeds, it leads."
It doesn't suggest that other victims are less important than "the big story", but because the assumed audience is white adults, they have to appease them. Dr. Phil took the time to read off a list and show the pictures of missing minority children before the show's end.

Looking back, it seemed that the media favors news about what's going on in the white community. There are some stories that do become important on a local television network.

Law enforcement agencies have their hands full and it is like they have forgotten to care about the motto, "To protect and serve."

I think this is another aspect of the BLM movement.
 
Sad news:
https://twitter.com/ComplexMag/status/773332705299824640
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http://www.complex.com/life/2016/09/ferguson-activist-darren-seals-found-shot-dead-burning-car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyuVcdn6Ec
[YOUTUBE]JbyuVcdn6Ec[/YOUTUBE]


Dude is probably the most prominently known of the original Ferguson protesters. Dude did not fucc with BLM, & beefed with them, & was working to expose them. Now he's dead. I had just started following him on Twitter in the last week. RIP.
 
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Sad news:
https://twitter.com/ComplexMag/status/773332705299824640
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http://www.complex.com/life/2016/09/ferguson-activist-darren-seals-found-shot-dead-burning-car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyuVcdn6Ec
[YOUTUBE]JbyuVcdn6Ec[/YOUTUBE]


Dude is probably the most prominently known of the original Ferguson protesters. Dude did not fucc with BLM, & beefed with them, & was working to expose them. Now he's dead. I had just started following him on Twitter in the last week. RIP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Td4GXhaac
[YOUTUBE]j6Td4GXhaac[/YOUTUBE]
 
Sad news:
https://twitter.com/ComplexMag/status/773332705299824640
71InMtb.png

http://www.complex.com/life/2016/09/ferguson-activist-darren-seals-found-shot-dead-burning-car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyuVcdn6Ec
[YOUTUBE]JbyuVcdn6Ec[/YOUTUBE]


Dude is probably the most prominently known of the original Ferguson protesters. Dude did not fucc with BLM, & beefed with them, & was working to expose them. Now he's dead. I had just started following him on Twitter in the last week. RIP.

Who killed him? This is awful.
It better not be related to his activism - it seems you allude to that.
If so, getting real sick of people trying to silence others who are not in lockstep with them. Now it's murder time? Disgusting.
 
Sad news:
https://twitter.com/ComplexMag/status/773332705299824640
71InMtb.png

http://www.complex.com/life/2016/09/ferguson-activist-darren-seals-found-shot-dead-burning-car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyuVcdn6Ec
[YOUTUBE]JbyuVcdn6Ec[/YOUTUBE]


Dude is probably the most prominently known of the original Ferguson protesters. Dude did not fucc with BLM, & beefed with them, & was working to expose them. Now he's dead. I had just started following him on Twitter in the last week. RIP.

Who killed him? This is awful.
It better not be related to his activism - it seems you allude to that.
If so, getting real sick of people trying to silence others who are not in lockstep with them. Now it's murder time? Disgusting.
Most folks who are following this story HEAVILY suspect he was killed by a White Supremacist and/or White Nationalist.

Most folks suspect this because it doesn't look or sound like an ordinary black-on-black hood murder. It seems like an outright assassination.

Here is a tweet from a couple months ago:
https://twitter.com/KingDSeals/status/757447016414781440
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Not only that, this is a pattern. Several other folks have been killed in Ferguson the exact same way the last couple years:
1. Darnell Robinson - Ferguson protester/activist - 10/8/2014 killed, body found in burning car. Suspect went from female to male, footage talked about but unavailable.

2. Antonio Jones Ferguson protester 11/9/14 fatally shot in abdomen twice. Body placed in the trunk of a car and set on fire.

3. Deandre Joshua 11/2014 shot in the head and gasoline had been used to light his body on fire then placed in his car. Thought to have testified before the grand jury in Ferguson. His killing occurred the same night protesters took to the street to protest the grand jury's decision not to indict Wilson.

4. Terrell Beasley - Ferguson protester 12/19/15 found shot twice and burned in the back seat of a vehicle.

5. Vinnie Cascella - not sure if he was connected to Ferguson in any way this one is word of mouth - 7/15 shot and killed, body found in burning car.

6. Darren Seals - prominent vocal activist, shot and killed, body burned inside a vehicle. 9/2016


The Daily Beast wrote an article on this a couple days ago: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/07/darren-seals-isn-t-the-only-ferguson-man-to-be-shot-and-torched-in-a-car.html
 
Most folks who are following this story HEAVILY suspect he was killed by a White Supremacist and/or White Nationalist.

Most folks suspect this because it doesn't look or sound like an ordinary black-on-black hood murder. It seems like an outright assassination.

Here is a tweet from a couple months ago:
https://twitter.com
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Not only that, this is a pattern. Several other folks have been killed in Ferguson the exact same way the last couple years:



The Daily Beast wrote an article on this a couple days ago: http://www.thedailybeast.
Whoa. I get accused of wearing a tinfoil hat around here but I really think something is going on here too - look at the similarities in those deaths. So either you have a Serial murderer and arsonist or a professional Hit man or Men....targeting these people.
Or, they're merely 'coincidences' :?
Followed by, who and why is this person or people committing these crimes?

True, most hood killers don't burn their victims (however they have been known to since it's a classic way to burn evidence)..but IMO, fear and silence is the ultimate goal here. Holy shit, how terrifying. And will the police help much? Hmmmm. Doubt it.
 
Didn't they find Ferguson police officers who were affiliated with the Klan??

This shit is so much dirtier beneath the surface IMO than the media is reporting.

Damn I miss the day when we truly had investigative reporters watching the American people's back.
 
Didn't they find Ferguson police officers who were affiliated with the Klan??

This shit is so much dirtier beneath the surface IMO than the media is reporting.

Damn I miss the day when we truly had investigative reporters watching the American people's back
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You and me both. Now the only backs they are watching are their shareholders'.
 
Didn't they find Ferguson police officers who were affiliated with the Klan??

This shit is so much dirtier beneath the surface IMO than the media is reporting.

Damn I miss the day when we truly had investigative reporters watching the American people's back.

Oh, so now you believe in conspiracies?? :?
Welcome aboard! :freehug: what's your hat size?

Couldn't agree with you more on the investigative reporting. Reporters are now paid shills.
And yet, even if this was exposed by a real journalist.. the impact of such stories isn't like it uses to be. Spin doctors are masters today. They will draw us in the other direction onto the next scandal or story without missing a beat.
 
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