Star Wars

Ra said:
Then that should have been established ON SCREEN. Not everyone who enjoys the Star Wars movies is automatically going to delve into other Star Wars related media outside of the movies. Especially non hardcore Star Wars fans who don't soak up every possible details about the mythology and especially if it establishes important things about the characters off screen that should be known when you watch the movies going forward.
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Fair point
 
Ra said:
Then that should have been established ON SCREEN. Not everyone who enjoys the Star Wars movies is automatically going to delve into other Star Wars related media outside of the movies. Especially non hardcore Star Wars fans who don't soak up every possible details about the mythology and especially if it establishes important things about the characters off screen that should be known when you watch the movies going forward.
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This entire discussion is for people who have a passion for this fantasy world. Sure some people will delve deeper into the lore than others. However since Disney bought Star Wars, they have repeatedly said that everything that is released from now on (comics, cartoons, and novels) are all part of one interconnecting narrative.

So even though I agree with the sentiment that the movies can be viewed independently from all the other materiel. For the people who do delve into the ancillary lore, Finn's backstory can paint his on screen portrayal in a different light.
 
Thump said:
This entire discussion is for people who have a passion for this fantasy world. Sure some people will delve deeper into the lore than others. However since Disney bought Star Wars, they have repeatedly said that everything that is released from now on (comics, cartoons, and novels) are all part of one interconnecting narrative.

So even though I agree with the sentiment that the movies can be viewed independently from all the other materiel. For the people who do delve into the ancillary lore, Finn's backstory can paint his on screen portrayal in a different light.
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True. But if they had also established facts on screen about Finn's status as an ideal First Order Trooper as well as shown his combat & tactical skills, then it would have added more depth to his character and interactions with certain characters (ie Captain Phasma and Kylo Ren) in Force Awakens and the next two movies.

Establishing the fact that Finn is/was on of their most promising conditioned Stormtroopers and he broke that conditioning gives an actual reason and motivation going forward for Captain Phasma by way of personally taking on the task to seek out and capture Finn in order to break him and bring him back under the fold of the First Order, especially if between movies he goes on an actually becomes "A Big Deal In the Resistance" in their efforts against the First Order as he fibbed about. But that's just my fan boy take on things.
 
glt1980 said:
I have seen the film multiple times and I am on a couple of other boards discussing it as well and while many like the character Finn many of those and I happen to be one didn't like the way that he came off in the film. I do recognize that he is probably the most important character in the movie and his character's arc is has probably the most room to expand over the next two movies.

Finn is the proxy for the audience, the every man that does not have the super powers, that is flawed, that is not the most noble, that is self serving but can rise up and do something remarkable. He is the character that most of the people in the audience are in there everyday real life which is why so many people are drawn to him.

The problem that I am many others saw was that he never did that something remarkable, the character came off as too much of the comical side kick, too much of the damsel in distress. too much of a tool to make the others look better. All his moments in the movie where he succeed came with the aid of other characters. The two big escapes he needed Poe to get off the Star Destroyer and Rey to get off Jakku and even in the end that escape was more about how good a pilot Rey was. When he does things on his own he is summarily defeated, goes up against the riot trooper ends up on his back about to get that final blow when Han comes along and shoot the trooper, goes up against Kylo Ren and lets be honest he was getting toyed with the first part of that fight after he got that one shot in and Ren got serious it was over in less than a minute. He is the one in the film that needs someone to rescue him time and time again. The moment he comes face to face with Phasma that could have been such a great moment if it were played more seriously instead of the head bobbing and all the "whose in charge now." If you read the book Before the Awakening that scene makes even less sense to be portrayed as comedy as Phasma had considered Finn one of the best stormtroopers in the First Order and saw potential in him to become an officer.

If Finn had just gotten one "win" on his own a lot of people that are disappointed would have been satisfied. We are told that Finn and Rey are the main characters but then you put them side by side they make Rey damn near perfect, she strong with the force, a great pilot, a mechanical wizard, she is strong enough to fend off two people trying take BB-8, she does not need anyone to rescue her, she is obviously highly intelligent. Whereas Finn on the other hand literally couldn't fly to save his life, doesn't even know what tool to hand Rey when she is try to fix the leak in the MF and she has to point it out to him, Finn can't even beat one of his peers 1 on 1, when he is snatched up on the freighter by the rathtar what happens Rey saves him.
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Flying the MF isn't necessarily that amazing considering she was running toward her own starship when it got destroyed. The MF was considered junk by her and assuming there is some generalized system in controlling a starship it would be like a pilot running to own plane then seeing it blown up having to go to an older plane. Im pretty sure a pilot who can fly a 787 series jet can fly a 707 series jet.

And seeing how much maintenance and work han had to do to fly the falcon..assuming thats normal for starship pilots to do..its not that crazy that rey is familiar with the inner workings of space ships.

Being a scavenger means she'd be put in more survival/fighting situations than finn.

but Finn is no slouch himself

finn never backed down when he had an opportunity to run and save his own ass..the mark of a hero is a person who takes their life in their own hands..initiates and takes charge of their destiny.

Finn broke his conditioning willingly, devised a plan of escape on his own, initiated a deal with someone who had a skill he lacked to complete his escape..
 
After seeing the film, I think that Finn was a hero in development like Jar-Jar Binks(whom went from a rather dubious character to a leader in battle, to a Senate leader). Finn got out before he lost his soul. He was a man on the run but he found a reason to join in the fight. Rae. Finn will return more dedicated and prepared to fight again.
 
really? are we comparing jar jar binks to finn?

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Gorath said:
After seeing the film, I think that Finn was a hero in development like Jar-Jar Binks(whom went from a rather dubious character to a leader in battle, to a Senate leader). Finn got out before he lost his soul. He was a man on the run but he found a reason to join in the fight. Rae. Finn will return more dedicated and prepared to fight again.
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archangel said:
really? are we comparing jar jar binks to finn?

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Jar-Jar Binks was an annoying character. But he did have a redeeming quality that emerged later. Here's another example, though not related to Star Wars, the character of Teal'c from Stargate: SG-1, he had a similar quandary and he stepped up and joined Col.O'Neill to fight the God Apophus. Making a decision that is uncertain takes a lot of courage. Jar-Jar made one and so did Finn.
 
Star wars fans come up with some very interesting theories. This is one of my favorites.
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The wait for Episode 8 got a little bit longer Disney annouced that it will be delayed from May 2017 to Dec 2017.

Apparently the director want to tinker with the script a bit.
 
I remember reading about Han and Leia after the Return of the Jedi. They were married and they had two daughters and the Force was very strong in both of them. I thought They were both going to be in the next film. But they have Ben(Kylie Ren) and the Force is strong with him, not appreciated by the First Order, which makes him seem like a punk.
 
Gorath said:
I remember reading about Han and Leia after the Return of the Jedi. They were married and they had two daughters and the Force was very strong in both of them. I thought They were both going to be in the next film. But they have Ben(Kylie Ren) and the Force is strong with him, not appreciated by the First Order, which makes him seem like a punk.
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The disqualifying of the Expanded Universe as canon has thrown me for a loop. I keep thinking about Leia and Han's son and daughter in the Dark Horse Legacy comics. I don't know what's up or down anymore.
 
Gorath said:
I remember reading about Han and Leia after the Return of the Jedi. They were married and they had two daughters and the Force was very strong in both of them. I thought They were both going to be in the next film. But they have Ben(Kylie Ren) and the Force is strong with him, not appreciated by the First Order, which makes him seem like a punk.
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In the old defunct canon, Leia and Han had three children. (Two sons and one daughter) Both of their sons died. One died fighting an alien menace, the other died fighting his sister, after he turned evil (sound familiar?)

Han and Leia adopted their own granddaughter (from the evil son) and raised her as their own daughter.
 
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