MilkandCoffee
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The issue isn't the movie, it's these kinds of movies.
Now-a-days, the only respectable role a black man can play is one that serves. We can't be independent...we're always under the "mans" hand.
The Butler kicks Kick Ass 2 ass at the box office
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The issue isn't the movie, it's these kinds of movies.
Now-a-days, the only respectable role a black man can play is one that serves. We can't be independent...we're always under the "mans" hand.
The Dark King
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Not to mention that's not our only story. Even during slavery there were black people who lead noteworthy lives outside of slavery itself. Its really like the masses literally don't like a story where a black person isn't overcoming the plight of being black.
Like I had once posted independent films. How do you think Melvin Van Peebles and Gordon Parks became successful with their films? Shaft is a very good example of that.
RestlessRita
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I am not a black man so it isn't fair for me to voice an opinion, but I'd like to think that films like The Butler and The Help are important films. I speak for myself when I say I leave these films feeling ashamed for what the white people forced the black people to endure. I think I SHOULD feel this way just like movies about the Holocaust should shock and sicken people who view them. For that matter, movies about women's rights are in that same category. Any human rights story is important. I applaud the actors and actors who are part of such films.
Of course, black actors should NOT just play these roles. Sidney Poitier is a great example. Movies such as In the Heat of the Night, THe Defiant Ones, To Sir With Love, just to name a few.....Denzel Washington in Glory, Taining Day, American Gangster, etc......Morgan Freeman didn't just play in Driving Miss Daisy, but also starred in The Shawshank Redemption, Million Dollar Baby, Invictus........Forest Witaker not only played in The Butler, but what about his role in The Great Debaters, Panic Room, Good Morning Vietnam? All great actors in great films.
Sorry for rambling.........
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WHITNEY YOUNG: You don't get black power by chanting it. You get it by doing what the other groups have done. The Irish kept quiet. They didn't shout Irish power or Jew power or Italian power. They kept their mouths shut and took over the police department of New York City and the mayorship of Boston.
MARTIN: He was the director of the National Urban League and that is a group that continues to exist. They're still influential in the area of civil rights, but his particular focus was what?
BOSWELL: Well, his focus was on corporate America, opening up the doors to corporate America because that had been an avenue that had really been untapped and so he - because of his upbringing and his personality and his skill set, he could talk to the business community in a way that others couldn't.
He also was able to talk to the presidents and interact with them in a way that others couldn't, so I think that he was able to deal with what we might call the power elite as a peer and really convince them to open up the doors to minorities.
check PBS listing for date and time...
now here's a story of a black man who dealt directly with a number of presidents, leaders of the CRM and the youth movement...was trying to be a bridge between black and white in the hopes of getting more power and jobs for blacks...had an assassination attempt on his life by the angry youth movement (or was it?)..
Where Lee Daniels and Oprah could have done THE POWERBROKER
...they chose to do..THE BUTLER
does ANYONE ELSE see the problem???
We definitely can see through the bullshit a mile away.
Where Lee Daniels and Oprah could have done THE POWERBROKER
...they chose to do..THE BUTLER
does ANYONE ELSE see the problem???
GFunk
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I can see why people are upset. The positive black movies are always "started from the bottom, now we here" story, just with civil rights issues. Never a "I've been here and only getting better story". Blacks in movies seem to only overcome things pre 1970. There is an importance on these kind of movies, but that shouldn't be all we see.
The Dark King
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Preach brotha preach
Who's directing it? Black directors killing is off these types of movies.
Spike Lee presents "The Pawnbroker."
Lee Daniels present "The Pawnbroker."
Keenan Ivory Wayans presents "The Pawnbroker."
Tyler Perry presents "The Pawnbroker."
In order to have solid movies, with any type of crossover appeal, this group of directors needs to go, and brothas who can write a script and direct a movie that doesn't cater to the "rise up" crowd.
Spike Lee presents "The Pawnbroker."
Lee Daniels present "The Pawnbroker."
Keenan Ivory Wayans presents "The Pawnbroker."
Tyler Perry presents "The Pawnbroker."
In order to have solid movies, with any type of crossover appeal, this group of directors needs to go, and brothas who can write a script and direct a movie that doesn't cater to the "rise up" crowd.
xoxo
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This is insightful in so many ways...
Beasty
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Indeed
4north1side2
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Lol fuck this movie
http://www.blackbluedog.com/2013/08...s-son-didnt-die-a-lot-of-scenes-were-made-up/
The Butler’s Wife Wasn’t an Alcoholic and his Son Didn’t Die – A lot of Scenes were Made Up
August 19, 2013 | Filed under: News | Posted by: blackbluedogs
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inShareAmerica made the new Lee Daniels film, “The Butler” into the top movie in America. People cried from start to finish and were inspired by the extraordinary story of Eugene Allen, the butler who served 34 years in the White House, watching one president after another go through the chambers of a great American institution.
But how much of the film is fact vs. fiction? When Hollywood uses the term “based on a true story,” you should know that the loaded word “based” means that they can add and subtract nearly anything they want.
Here are a few facts about the film that you might want to share with your friends. It turns out that many of the most central parts of the story didn’t actually happen.
1) Much of the portrayal of Allen’s early life is about as truthful as the story about Columbus discovering America. In the film, the butler starts off picking cotton, watching his mother get raped and his father murdered. None of that happened.
Allen was born in Virginia and never spoke of any of these horrible things happening to him. Oh yea, the scene where he’s caught stealing food and lands his first job because of it? That’s all made up too, never happened.
2) In the film, the butler’s wife (played by Oprah Winfrey) is an alcoholic and cheated on her husband. Didn’t happen. His wife was a lovely woman. Also, remember the film’s torturous scene where the butler’s son dies in the Vietnam War? He actually didn’t die. He’s still alive and well.
3) Remember that militant son who served as a Black Panther and Freedom Rider, who was put in his place during the film? He never existed. Allen only has one son. We don’t know why they made up this person and put him in the film. You can speculate on that one on your own.
4) The scene when the butler was serving President Eisenhower on his first day at work, while the president just happened to be integrating black students into the schools in Little Rock? That wasn’t his real first day. Allen started working at the White House during the Truman Administration. But he did work for Eisenhower, it just wasn’t his first day on the job.
5) The butler didn’t really wear Kennedy’s tie when he met Barack Obama. He had it framed. But he did meet President Obama, had a great career in the White House and lived a remarkable life. But Hollywood seems to have taken the story and embellished it to the point that it can’t, in any way, be seen as historically accurate. At best, it’s a great tale that is, well, based on a true story.
http://www.blackbluedog.com/2013/08...s-son-didnt-die-a-lot-of-scenes-were-made-up/
The Butler’s Wife Wasn’t an Alcoholic and his Son Didn’t Die – A lot of Scenes were Made Up
August 19, 2013 | Filed under: News | Posted by: blackbluedogs
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inShareAmerica made the new Lee Daniels film, “The Butler” into the top movie in America. People cried from start to finish and were inspired by the extraordinary story of Eugene Allen, the butler who served 34 years in the White House, watching one president after another go through the chambers of a great American institution.
But how much of the film is fact vs. fiction? When Hollywood uses the term “based on a true story,” you should know that the loaded word “based” means that they can add and subtract nearly anything they want.
Here are a few facts about the film that you might want to share with your friends. It turns out that many of the most central parts of the story didn’t actually happen.
1) Much of the portrayal of Allen’s early life is about as truthful as the story about Columbus discovering America. In the film, the butler starts off picking cotton, watching his mother get raped and his father murdered. None of that happened.
Allen was born in Virginia and never spoke of any of these horrible things happening to him. Oh yea, the scene where he’s caught stealing food and lands his first job because of it? That’s all made up too, never happened.
2) In the film, the butler’s wife (played by Oprah Winfrey) is an alcoholic and cheated on her husband. Didn’t happen. His wife was a lovely woman. Also, remember the film’s torturous scene where the butler’s son dies in the Vietnam War? He actually didn’t die. He’s still alive and well.
3) Remember that militant son who served as a Black Panther and Freedom Rider, who was put in his place during the film? He never existed. Allen only has one son. We don’t know why they made up this person and put him in the film. You can speculate on that one on your own.
4) The scene when the butler was serving President Eisenhower on his first day at work, while the president just happened to be integrating black students into the schools in Little Rock? That wasn’t his real first day. Allen started working at the White House during the Truman Administration. But he did work for Eisenhower, it just wasn’t his first day on the job.
5) The butler didn’t really wear Kennedy’s tie when he met Barack Obama. He had it framed. But he did meet President Obama, had a great career in the White House and lived a remarkable life. But Hollywood seems to have taken the story and embellished it to the point that it can’t, in any way, be seen as historically accurate. At best, it’s a great tale that is, well, based on a true story.
Beasty
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Morning Star
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It's not surprising. I think people seemingly forget that anytime you hear "Based on true events" or "Based on a true story"...it simply implies that the events in the movie aren't completely true to the story. Think Amityville Horror.
TERRASTAR18
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maybe we need more black directors not less. btw spike did give malcolm x.
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TERRASTAR18
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or in reality only make through the kindness of whites(the help, blind side).
and funny thing both of those movies were either lies or embellishments.
The Dark King
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Even The Help rubbed me the wrong way because it was the story of some young white girl trying to expose how the help was being treated badly in her hometown out of altruism. It was really a way for her to get her name out there in the publishing world even though literature like that could mean life and death for the subjects of her piece.
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RestlessRita
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I see your point.