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They've over done the "realism" in a fantasy setting. Back in the day it was OK for characters to,unrealistically as it was, be talking and telling story details all while they were trading blows and energy blasts. Now they have to build up what's going on in the story before the fight because we all know you can't talk while you're punching/blasting or getting punched/blasted. Gotta concentrate on getting through the fight alive and all.....
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damn

i feel for ya brah

i really do
 
The REAL Mastermind Behind Batman


Touching story on how people can get royally fucked over, even times were tough. This article from NPR explains this all too well through an interview with Marc Tyler Nobleman, the author of the new book Bill the Boy Wonder. The link provides the interview, article, plus transcript. But here's is the article below...

Batman has many secrets — the best-known one, of course, being his millionaire alter ego, Bruce Wayne. But that may not be the Dark Knight's biggest secret.

Since the 1930s, only one man has been given credit for creating the caped crusader and his home city of Gotham. Bob Kane's name appears in the credits of all the movies, the campy TV show and the associated merchandise, from video games and action figures to sheets and underwear.

But what if Bob Kane didn't do it all by himself?

"Bill Finger is the uncredited co-creator of Batman," author Marc Tyler Nobleman tells NPR's Guy Raz. "His name never appeared on a Batman story in his lifetime, but he was responsible for just about everything enduring about Batman."

DC Comics had commissioned Kane to come up with a superhero to rival the newly created Superman. After meeting at a party, Kane enlisted Finger, then a struggling artist and writer, to help. Nobleman tells the story of Batman's birth in his new book, Bill the Boy Wonder: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman.

"Bill Finger named Gotham City," Nobleman says. "He named Bruce Wayne." Finger, who was mainly a writer, was responsible for designing Batman's iconic cape and cowl costume, Nobleman says. In fact, he says, some people believe that Kane didn't even come up with the idea of Batman on his own.

"There are some that feel ... that his character was Birdman, and it was actually Bill who said, 'Let's go with Batman.' "

The list goes on. Robin? "Bill was the one who said Batman needs ... someone to talk to," Nobleman says. "And through that, Robin evolved, and Bill wrote the first Robin story."

The Joker? "That's also hotly disputed. It was definitely a group effort, but I give Bill ... the majority of the credit," Nobleman says. "He wrote the first story, he came up with the look, although someone else drew it."

Batman was a revolutionary figure in the world of early superhero comics; he wasn't an alien or a mutant, and he had no superhuman powers. He was just a regular human who happened to have a very good reason to transform himself into a vigilante crime fighter: As a child, he witnessed the murder of his parents by a mugger on a Gotham street.


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"Bill Finger came up with that story, and that was unprecedented at the time," Nobleman says. "That was more depth than anyone had ever applied to a comic book character before."

Nobleman gives 99 percent of the credit for Batman to Finger. "But if you're looking at it from a business perspective, then the numbers shift," he says. "Bob was the one who got it sold and was the one who was the face of Batman for many years, but that's because he orchestrated that in his contract. Bill was not a promoter."

No documentation or contract survives relating to Finger and Kane's business relationship — but when Kane proposed that he put his own name on the character they created together, Nobleman says, Finger accepted. "Partly because that's what was done at the time, but also partly because it was the end of the Depression and if you could get any work in your chosen field in the arts, you'd take it."

Kane grew rich on Batman profits — money that Finger barely shared in. "This is going to sound like I'm milking this," Nobleman says, "but he literally died alone, poor ... and unheralded. No obituary ran for him, he didn't have a funeral and he doesn't even have a gravestone."

Finger wasn't completely forgotten, but he's never gotten credit as the co-creator of Batman. "Bob Kane is the only person credited on any Batman story in any medium," Nobleman says. DC Comics puts Finger's name on the specific scripts he wrote, but it doesn't recognize his influence on the creation of the character, he says.

"They have a contract with the Kane estate and they don't want to jeopardize that," he says.

But Finger is a hero to many comics fans. "Fans ... refused to let this injustice stand," Nobleman says, "but no one ever did anything formally for him."

Until Jerry Robinson — a friend of Finger's and one of the earliest Batman ghostwriters — created an award in his honor. The Bill Finger Award for Excellence in Comic Book Writing is given out each year at San Diego Comic-Con to two writers, one living and one deceased, who have not been properly recognized for their work.
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Majestic Saint said:

Touching story on how people can get royally fucked over, even times were tough. This article from NPR explains this all too well through an interview with Marc Tyler Nobleman, the author of the new book Bill the Boy Wonder. The link provides the interview, article, plus transcript. But here's is the article below...
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There are shit loads of stories like this involving many characters and creators in the comics industry. There are even stories about Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, the guy that drew,designed and help flesh out pretty much all of the Marvel Universe characters in the early days (he designed all the characters expect for Spider-Man, Iron Man, Daredevil and Dr. Strange) and how Stan Lee got all the credit and latter royalties for everything involving the Marvel Universe in the early days and he was just looked at as "that guy who drew a bunch of Marvel characters". This guy left Marvel in the 1970's because of that and went to work for DC Comics where he created characters for them most notably the character Darkseid and the whole New Gods mythos build around him and DC then and even now gave that man his propers when the character became popular. The man died in the mid 1990's and his estate was before he died and still is as I recall involved is a massive law suit with Marvel Comics over rights and royalties his estate is owed due to his involvement in the creation of the Marvel Universe.
 
That is true, but at least Jack Kirby managed to get some name recognition in his created moments, long before his death. Bill Finger didn't even have his name credited in ANY of the Batman stories, movies, and merchandise.

Eye of Ra said:
There are shit loads of stories like this involving many characters and creators in the comics industry. There are even stories about Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, the guy that drew,designed and help flesh out pretty much all of the Marvel Universe characters in the early days (he designed all the characters expect for Spider-Man, Iron Man, Daredevil and Dr. Strange) and how Stan Lee got all the credit and latter royalties for everything involving the Marvel Universe in the early days and he was just looked at as "that guy who drew a bunch of Marvel characters". This guy left Marvel in the 1970's because of that and went to work for DC Comics where he created characters for them most notably the character Darkseid and the whole New Gods mythos build around him and DC then and even now gave that man his propers when the character became popular. The man died in the mid 1990's and his estate was before he died and still is as I recall involved is a massive law suit with Marvel Comics over rights and royalties his estate is owed due to his involvement in the creation of the Marvel Universe.
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Majestic Saint said:
That is true, but at least Jack Kirby managed to get some name recognition in his created moments, long before his death. Bill Finger didn't even have his name credited in ANY of the Batman stories, movies, and merchandise.
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That's because Kirby was always rightfully raising a stink about how he wasn't given his fair recognition. That plus the shit ton of comic book and cartoon characters he played a hand in creating throughout his career such as Captain America during WWII era and Thundaar the Barbarian when he started doing animation character design work in the 1980's, there was no other logical choice but give that man his proper recognition. There are indeed far more Bill Finger type stories out there than there are Jack Kirby type stories when it comes to the comic industry and how it treated creators in it's early day.
 
Eye of Ra said:
That's because Kirby was always rightfully raising a stink about how he wasn't given his fair recognition. That plus the shit ton of comic book and cartoon characters he played a hand in creating throughout his career such as Captain America during WWII era and Thundaar the Barbarian when he started doing animation character design work in the 1980's, there was no other logical choice but give that man his proper recognition. There are indeed far more Bill Finger type stories out there than there are Jack Kirby type stories when it comes to the comic industry and how it treated creators in it's early day.
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that's true in a lot of industries

people are slimey like that

just think about the facebook guy who 'stole' the idea from a fellow classmate, and how long it took that guy to get recognized as the real brains behind it
 
Anyone watching the new season of Alphas on SYFY channel?

The show has some potential, and I like the X-men lite vibe it has going.
It's biggest draw back is the fact that it clearly has a miniscule budget. And A Superpowers show with a small budget, can be almost unwatchable sometimes.

The show also falls into one of my biggest Scifi pet peeves, and that is when people have great powers, but they only can think of petty little things to use them on. If your going to have powers that set you apart from the other 99.999% of humanity exploit the shit out of them!
 
Thump said:
Anyone watching the new season of Alphas on SYFY channel?

The show has some potential, and I like the X-men lite vibe it has going.
It's biggest draw back is the fact that it clearly has a miniscule budget. And A Superpowers show with a small budget, can be almost unwatchable sometimes.

The show also falls into one of my biggest Scifi pet peeves, and that is when people have great powers, but they only can think of petty little things to use them on. If your going to have powers that set you apart from the other 99.999% of humanity exploit the shit out of them!
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i like the show, but someone else pointed out the budget confinements too. could have been you or BBW. with that said, for what it has I think it does a good job. Not all shows can keep me interested enough to watch every episode, but Alphas did. I'm more into characters and how they interact with each other. To me, that's substance.
 
For any fellow gamers, if you haven't experienced Final Fantasy VII, you now have the opportunity to experience the game through a downloadable format. This is for people who have grown up with RPGs, especially JRPGs and want to live the classic times of gaming.

It contains the following:
  • Cloud Save System
  • Boost Mode
  • High End Visuals
  • New Areas
  • Plus old favorites and more...

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Majestic Saint said:
For any fellow gamers, if you haven't experienced Final Fantasy VII, you now have the opportunity to experience the game through a downloadable format. This is for people who have grown up with RPGs, especially JRPGs and want to live the classic times of gaming.

It contains the following:
  • Cloud Save System
  • Boost Mode
  • High End Visuals
  • New Areas
  • Plus old favorites and more...

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sweet...ill definitely download this classic
 
Majestic Saint said:
For any fellow gamers, if you haven't experienced Final Fantasy VII, you now have the opportunity to experience the game through a downloadable format. This is for people who have grown up with RPGs, especially JRPGs and want to live the classic times of gaming.

It contains the following:
  • Cloud Save System
  • Boost Mode
  • High End Visuals
  • New Areas
  • Plus old favorites and more...

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Truly a classic game, I just wish I hadn't become so ADD since it originally came out, because I just don't have the patience for JRPGs anymore.
 
Honestly, it's my first time playing Final Fantasy VII. So this is my first experience. I never bothered even to watch the playthroughs...or for any Final Fantasy for that matter. My first FF game was FF6 for the SNES, and for the PSX, FF9. Both which are excellent games.

So far, my impression is that it's too early to tell as I am still at the very beginning and I'm getting use to the keyboard set up. However, I still firmly feel that there are better RPGs than FF7 as this game was tremendously overhyped by the masses. But, it's still a good game and I'm enjoying it so far.

Thump said:
Truly a classic game, I just wish I hadn't become so ADD since it originally came out, because I just don't have the patience for JRPGs anymore.
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Penelope Cruz and her sister, Monica advertising New Super Mario Bros. 2 and well, there's a strange twist in the end!

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DC Comics has decided to stop beating around the bush, and hook up Superman and Wonder Woman. There have been "What If" type stories were they have paired them together before. But as far as I know, this is the first time in the regular continuity that they have put them together.

For the safety of everyone, I hope they have sex someplace far away from other people. :wink:

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Superdick + Superpussy = Supersex.

Thump said:
DC Comics has decided to stop beating around the bush, and hook up Superman and Wonder Woman. There have been "What If" type stories were they have paired them together before. But as far as I know, this is the first time in the regular continuity that they have put them together.

For the safety of everyone, I hope they have sex someplace far away from other people. :wink:

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Thump said:
DC Comics has decided to stop beating around the bush, and hook up Superman and Wonder Woman. There have been "What If" type stories were they have paired them together before. But as far as I know, this is the first time in the regular continuity that they have put them together.

For the safety of everyone, I hope they have sex someplace far away from other people. :wink:

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Ah. So this is the "Shocking Ending" in Justice League # 12 they've been hinting at over the last few months that I've seen on various comic related sites.
 
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