The other side of the coin

sockervadd said:
of course they have..

to be a woman is harder than being a man and to be a black is harder than being white

that's a fact that
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I'm going to have to wholeheartedly disagree with that train of thought.

Do you realize American History at all. The biggest fear in American history was the black male, every stereotype and insult has been utilized to denigrate black men in America.

Black men in this nation were lynched, called boy, while white men had free access to black women via rape or consensual sex, but a black man dared not look at white women for it could cost him his life.

Trust me let a black man and black woman walk into a room and go figure which one is more threatening to a white male who is not secure and tolerant.

Educated black men of the past, i.e. Medgar Evers who spoke up in the South had their lives threatened or taken, houses bombed and family endangered if they didn't toe the line of being a good boy who knew his place. He wasn't seen as a man but as less than one.

I said it once before but will repeat, you seem very naive, in this case about history in America. I don't know how old you are and if that may be reflective of that.

Don't know how you arrived at your conclusion but you had better believe that in much of American history the black male has always been pissed on because white males were not looking to give him an even field. A black man who got ahead of whites was likely to wind up dead for not knowing his place.

Your notion of men and women seems to be shaped by a different experience and society, not the one in America among black folks. White male privilege did not extend to black males, that's for darn sure.

I encourage you to go to this website

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/injustice-files/

and watch the clips of the shows there it will be eye opener.

I don't think you truly grasp Southern American society during slavery, segregation and the Civil Rights Era. It was not a pretty place for blacks who weren't simply content with the scraps of society, if history is any barometer
 
mikesandy said:
Well you do have a little alliance with OpenHeart, who most us suspect is here to just take up space. Perhaps you two have a little alliance on the forum and know each other personally, before you signed up here.

This reminds me of Christine's grievance with the current climate of the forum.

http://whitewomenblackmen.com/forum/showpost.php?p=475382&postcount=281
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Yes, actually we are married.. and we have no life so we figured why don't get online pretend we are too white women.. cus for real we are too gay black men


bye, Im gonna go fuck my partners brains out
 
GQ Brotha said:
I'm going to have to wholeheartedly disagree with that train of thought.

Do you realize American History at all. The biggest fear in American history was the black male, every stereotype and insult has been utilized to denigrate black men in America.

Black men in this nation were lynched, called boy, while white men had free access to black women via rape or consensual sex, but a black man dared not look at white women for it could cost him his life.

Trust me let a black man and black woman walk into a room and go figure which one is more threatening to a white male who is not secure and tolerant.

Educated black men of the past, i.e. Medgar Evers who spoke up in the South had their lives threatened or taken, houses bombed and family endangered if they didn't toe the line of being a good boy who knew his place. He wasn't seen as a man but as less than one.

I said it once before but will repeat, you seem very naive, in this case about history in America. I don't know how old you are and if that may be reflective of that.

Don't know how you arrived at your conclusion but you had better believe that in much of American history the black male has always been pissed on because white males were not looking to give him an even field. A black man who got ahead of whites was likely to wind up dead for not knowing his place.

Your notion of men and women seems to be shaped by a different experience and society, not the one in America among black folks. White male privilege did not extend to black males, that's for darn sure.

I encourage you to go to this website

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/injustice-files/

and watch the clips of the shows there it will be eye opener.

I don't think you truly grasp Southern American society during slavery, segregation and the Civil Rights Era. It was not a pretty place for blacks who weren't simply content with the scraps of society, if history is any barometer
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I don't think there is much point in continuing this GQ. It's just OpenHeart and her friend that are just here to "play" with us, as OpenHeart reiterated in one of her earlier statements in this thread.
 
GQ Brotha said:
I'm going to have to wholeheartedly disagree with that train of thought.

Do you realize American History at all. The biggest fear in American history was the black male, every stereotype and insult has been utilized to denigrate black men in America.

Black men in this nation were lynched, called boy, while white men had free access to black women via rape or consensual sex, but a black man dared not look at white women for it could cost him his life.

Trust me let a black man and black woman walk into a room and go figure which one is more threatening to a white male who is not secure and tolerant.

Educated black men of the past, i.e. Medgar Evers who spoke up in the South had their lives threatened or taken, houses bombed and family endangered if they didn't toe the line of being a good boy who knew his place. He wasn't seen as a man but as less than one.

I said it once before but will repeat, you seem very naive, in this case about history in America. I don't know how old you are and if that may be reflective of that.

Don't know how you arrived at your conclusion but you had better believe that in much of American history the black male has always been pissed on because white males were not looking to give him an even field. A black man who got ahead of whites was likely to wind up dead for not knowing his place.

Your notion of men and women seems to be shaped by a different experience and society, not the one in America among black folks. White male privilege did not extend to black males, that's for darn sure.

I encourage you to go to this website

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/injustice-files/

and watch the clips of the shows there it will be eye opener.

I don't think you truly grasp Southern American society during slavery, segregation and the Civil Rights Era. It was not a pretty place for blacks who weren't simply content with the scraps of society, if history is any barometer
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:smt023:smt023:smt023

Nothing but the truth.
 
mikesandy said:
I don't think there is much point in continuing this GQ. It's just OpenHeart and her friend that are just here to "play" with us, as OpenHeart reiterated in one of her earlier statements in this thread.
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If that is true then that is very sick and uncouth behavior. I am finding a lot of what she is stating to be very strange and seemingly uninformed commentaries.

How does one draw a line between the experiences of black men and black women vis a vis white men and white women, the two experiences are not the same and being a woman doesn't make it automatically worse for one in society.

Were white women worse off in society than black men in American history, after all one is a woman and one is a man, by the harder for woman than man logic, black men should had it made over white women historically. Shouldn't they. :)
 
flaminghetero said:
Only a fool thinks BW have it worse than BM in America.
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I don't know what would make someone come to such a conclusion as hers, when history speaks for itself as clear as the light of day.

Can someone tell me what have black women endured that black men have not, being raped by white men I suppose. Except that black men were raped of what it was to be a man, head of your family and a leader.

Black men never had rules and laws that restricted the rights of black women in America, hell many black men can't even tell a black woman what to do today, she would look at him like he is out of his mind.

Heck how many times have we heard the phrase "Strong Black Woman"

The white male-female historical relationship has no relation to the black male-female relationship in America and no one can argue otherwise on that front. It would be wholly disingenuous to do so.
 
flaminghetero said:
Only a fool thinks BW have it worse than BM in America.
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Yeah its classic fallacy of composition.
Black people have it hard
Women have it hard
So therefore bw have it worst and its not true. They have a better chance of employment and living off the welfare system and they don't get gunned down by the police. I know they feel the emotional pain of our suffering but we're pretty much alone with the physical suffering.
 
GQ Brotha said:
I'm going to have to wholeheartedly disagree with that train of thought.

Do you realize American History at all. The biggest fear in American history was the black male, every stereotype and insult has been utilized to denigrate black men in America.

Black men in this nation were lynched, called boy, while white men had free access to black women via rape or consensual sex, but a black man dared not look at white women for it could cost him his life.

Trust me let a black man and black woman walk into a room and go figure which one is more threatening to a white male who is not secure and tolerant.

Educated black men of the past, i.e. Medgar Evers who spoke up in the South had their lives threatened or taken, houses bombed and family endangered if they didn't toe the line of being a good boy who knew his place. He wasn't seen as a man but as less than one.

I said it once before but will repeat, you seem very naive, in this case about history in America. I don't know how old you are and if that may be reflective of that.

Don't know how you arrived at your conclusion but you had better believe that in much of American history the black male has always been pissed on because white males were not looking to give him an even field. A black man who got ahead of whites was likely to wind up dead for not knowing his place.

Your notion of men and women seems to be shaped by a different experience and society, not the one in America among black folks. White male privilege did not extend to black males, that's for darn sure.

I encourage you to go to this website

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/injustice-files/

and watch the clips of the shows there it will be eye opener.

I don't think you truly grasp Southern American society during slavery, segregation and the Civil Rights Era. It was not a pretty place for blacks who weren't simply content with the scraps of society, if history is any barometer
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I will definately dothat, and if Im wrong Ill be the first one to say so..

I wud be very shocked however if rules that are applicable else wudn't be in the states.. sorry but yall aren't that special

u don't think we have had minorities here? u don't think we learn history here?? difference is, unlike u guys we actually learn about more than our countries history.. actually once we had an American history professor visiting who was gonna teach us in history... He actually thought u guys won the vietnam war.. dead serious
 
MrFantastic said:
Yeah its classic fallacy of composition.
Black people have it hard
Women have it hard
So therefore bw have it worst and its not true. They have a better chance of employment and living off the welfare system and they don't get gunned down by the police. I know they feel the emotional pain of our suffering but we're pretty much alone with the physical suffering.
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I read an article saying an anlysis from amerikanska Center for Community Economic Developments shows that said an unmarried ww has about 42600 dollar when she is in her 50's, a black woman in the same situation has about...... 5 dollars


if it was that easy to get good jobs I don't understand why the result wud be that...



sucky english now, I know. Im on a diiiet
 
sockervadd said:
I read an article saying an anlysis from amerikanska Center for Community Economic Developments shows that said an unmarried ww has about 42600 dollar when she is in her 50's, a black woman in the same situation has about...... 5 dollars


if it was that easy to get good jobs I don't understand why the result wud be that...



sucky english now, I know. Im on a diiiet
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Poor financial discipline (which is a huge problem for AA as a whole) doesn't have anything to do with employment. Bw are more likely then bm to be hired for office jobs and childcare and healthcare than bm. Those are the leading industries here. Bm are the last to be thought of. Unemployment is at 16 % for bm while its only 9 for the rest of the country.
Bm are greatly feared in this country bw not so much.
 
sockervadd said:
I will definately dothat, and if Im wrong Ill be the first one to say so..

I wud be very shocked however if rules that are applicable else wudn't be in the states.. sorry but yall aren't that special

u don't think we have had minorities here? u don't think we learn history here?? difference is, unlike u guys we actually learn about more than our countries history.. actually once we had an American history professor visiting who was gonna teach us in history... He actually thought u guys won the vietnam war.. dead serious
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I don't want to be obnoxious with you but you are speaking in tones that leave me scratching my head at your conception of history.

Swedish history, the minorities in Sweden, learning about the U.S. from afar does not begin to touch the heart of the discussion.

I don't want to sound aloof, but I graduated as a History major and this is my bread and butter, I don't pretend to know everything about everything, but I try my darnedest to have an understanding of historical subject matters before jumping into it and making assumptions.

Do you have any idea of African American history in of itself. If you did you would realize that black men have never had the power to oppress black women in American society. To oppress someone you have to have power and control over them, something black men themselves didn't possess because of the nature of a discriminatory society. I won't even get into employment discrimination, destruction of the black family, drugs introduced into the black community, etc.
 
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