Trayvon Martin's Murder

The killers of Oscar Grant were guilty and found guilty. so not the best example. The only thing wrong with that case(excluding that it shouldn't be a case because he shouldn't have been killed or injured) is that they are not in prison for life. I literally saw the guy get shoot and was just in rage over that. If I was in the jury, I would have been bias as hell. Send them to Florida or Texas and bring back old sparky. Let sparky have a talk with him!:smt042

edit: on video but it felt like I was there.

The guy is back on the street. Yea he was found guilty but given a major slap on the wrist. He basically got away with shooting a black kid go ahead call me crazy/radical. Also his excuse was that he mistook his gun for a tazer....In spite of the fact the dude was already held down so that wouldn't have even been necessary. Call taht a conviction I call it BS.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/13/BAIJ1JT7CV.DTL
 
The guy is back on the street. Yea he was found guilty but given a major slap on the wrist. He basically got away with shooting a black kid go ahead call me crazy/radical. Also his excuse was that he mistook his gun for a tazer....In spite of the fact the dude was already held down so that wouldn't have even been necessary. Call taht a conviction I call it BS.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/13/BAIJ1JT7CV.DTL

That's one of the cases I followed well.You are on video tape doing it. No effing way you aren't going to prison. The excuse was a lose-lose situation. Either A you are too stupid to be a police officer because you can't tell the difference and may possibly put someone's life in danger or B. you killed him on purpose. Either way prison. I was just not happy with the prison sentence. I've seen worse though. A fat lady sitting and killing a man and then getting probation. :smt017 laws are just crazy.

If you are a police officer, You go in and tell them to go home and that they are too loud. They were very compliant. They would have done that. It was new year's eve. People are loud. It is to be expected.
 
That's one of the cases I followed real well.You are on video tape doing it. No effing way you aren't going to prison. The excuse was a lose-lose situation. Either A you are too stupid to be a police officer because you can't tell the difference and may possibly put someone's life in danger or B. you killed him on purpose. Either way prison. I was just not happy with the prison sentnece. I've seen worse though. A fat lady sitting and killing a man and then getting probation. :smt017 laws are just crazy.

Laws ain't crazy the system is.
 
Florida's 2005 'Stand Your Ground' law is allowing assholes to literally get away with murder.

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

Unbelievable.:shock:
All you have to do is tell a cop,' I thought Mr. X was going to kill me(with his bare hands) and in most cases if you murder someone after some altercation, most Florida law enforcement won't prosecute. No investigation, no nothing.


The other person doesn't even have to be armed.
Basically if you get in a public shouting match with someone, they have the right under Florida law to smoke you, if they claim they were afraid you were going to kill them first.


50/50 nothing happens to Zimmerman, even though he was stalking his victim.

It's those witnesses in this case who will hold the key to any conviction. Zimmerman stalked Trayvon and confronted him with his weapon, it makes no sense for Zimmerman to subsequently claim self-defense when he's the one who initiated the confrontation.

I hope the Feds find an appropriate resolution to this horrific crime.
 
Florida's 2005 'Stand Your Ground' law is allowing assholes to literally get away with murder.

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

Unbelievable.:shock:
All you have to do is tell a cop,' I thought Mr. X was going to kill me(with his bare hands) and in most cases if you murder someone after some altercation, most Florida law enforcement won't prosecute. No investigation, no nothing.


The other person doesn't even have to be armed.
Basically if you get in a public shouting match with someone, they have the right under Florida law to smoke you, if they claim they were afraid you were going to kill them first.


50/50 nothing happens to Zimmerman, even though he was stalking his victim.

It's those witnesses in this case who will hold the key to any conviction. Zimmerman stalked Trayvon and confronted him with his weapon, it makes no sense for Zimmerman to subsequently claim self-defense when he's the one who initiated the confrontation.

I hope the Feds find an appropriate resolution to this horrific crime.

:smt023
 
Florida's 2005 'Stand Your Ground' law is allowing assholes to literally get away with murder.

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

Unbelievable.:shock:
All you have to do is tell a cop,' I thought Mr. X was going to kill me(with his bare hands) and in most cases if you murder someone after some altercation, most Florida law enforcement won't prosecute. No investigation, no nothing.


The other person doesn't even have to be armed.
Basically if you get in a public shouting match with someone, they have the right under Florida law to smoke you, if they claim they were afraid you were going to kill them first.

a bit of an exaggeration on the last sentence but yes if you confront someone here then you can get shoot.

I personally don't see it as 50/50 because he has to prove after being told not to go that he was confronted when in fact as you mentioned he was the one doing the confronting.
 
An update...

50 times? Sounds like Zimmerman was itching to be a "hero"..I'm guessing he wanted to catch the "big bad criminal" and get allocades from the Department he wanted so badly to be a part of.

But the New Black Liberation Militia going to Florida to place a citizens arrest on Zimmerman IS going to start shit they cannot finish. They need to fall back and let this stay its course of seeking JUSTICE with non-violent pressure. All this kid needs is sympathy because of some militant group grabbing and taking him.

Neighborhood Watchman Who Allegedly Shot Trayvon Martin Wanted to Be a Cop

ABC News By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC), OLIVIA KATRANDJIAN and SENI TIENABESO (@senijr_abc)


A self-appointed neighborhood watchman who pursued and then shot dead an unarmed 17-year-old boy outside his stepmother's home last month in Sanford, Fla., reportedly wanted to be a police officer and had called 9-1-1 50 times in the last year.

Trayvon Martin, a black high-school junior, was making his way home with a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea on Feb. 26 when George Zimmerman spotted him, called a non-emergency dispatch number to report Martin looked intoxicated, followed him, and then minutes later after an altercation, shot him.

Zimmerman, 28, who is white, claimed self defense. He was never arrested and has been charged with no crime, sparking national outrage.

ABC News has learned police seemed to accept Zimmerman's account at face value that night and that he was not tested for drugs or alcohol on the night of the shooting, even though it is standard procedure in most homicide investigations.

The night of Feb. 26, Zimmerman made a non-emergency call to police before fatally shooting Martin, in which he told a dispatcher, "This guy looks like he's up to no good, on drugs or something."

But law enforcement expert Rod Wheeler who listened to the tapes tells ABC News that Zimmerman, not Martin, sounded intoxicated in the police recordings of the 911 calls.

"When I listened to the 911 tape the first thing that came to my mind is this guy sounds intoxicated. Notice how he's slurring his words. We as trained law enforcement officers, we know how to listen for that right away and I think that's going to be an important element of this entire investigation," Wheeler said.

But Zimmerman was not tested.

Martin's family is now calling on the FBI to take over what they say is a botched investigation.

"We've got a fair investigation, it was the best we can do, it's in states attorney hands now," Sanford Police Department spokesman Dave Morgenstern said.

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The series of calls to police, which depict the apparent progression of events that led to Zimmerman allegedly shooting Martin, sent the boy's mother screaming from the room and prompted his father to declare, "He killed my son," according to a family representative.

The contents of the calls and the family's reaction to them were recounted to ABC News by a representative of the boy's family, Ryan Julison, and ABC News affiliate WFTV published excerpts from the 911 calls.

On one call to a non-emergency dispatch number, according to Julison, Zimmerman says, "He's checking me out," and then, "This guy looks like he's on drugs, he's definitely messed up." "These a**holes always get away," he adds.

The dispatcher is heard trying to discourage Zimmerman, asking, "Are you following him?.. Okay, we don't need you to do that."

Within minutes, however, 911 calls are being made to police reporting the two are fighting.

"They're wrestling right in the back of my porch," one frantic caller says. "The guy's yelling help and I'm not going out."

On a second call someone's screams for help can be heard and what sounds like two gunshots.

The caller's boyfriend shouts, "Get down," and after the second apparent gunshot, the shouts for help cease, Julison told ABC News.

"There's gun shots. Uh, I'm pretty sure the guy is dead out here, holy shit," a caller says into the phone.

One witness describes Zimmerman after the shooting.

"He's out there with a flashlight. The guy is raising his hands up saying he shot the person," the caller said.

Martin's family listened to eight tapes, Julison said. At one point, Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon's mother, ran out of the room screaming and crying, barely lasting through half the tapes.

The boy's father, Tracey Martin, stoic and measured until then, erupted, "He killed my son," Martin said, according to Julison. "He killed my son. He couldn't control himself."

The Sanford, Fla., Police Department, relenting to massive public pressure, plans to release parts of the 911 tapes pertaining to the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News, but wanted the boy's family to hear the tapes before they were released to the public, according to a family source.

A week after ABC News uncovered questionable police conduct in the investigation of the fatal shooting, including the alleged "correction" of at least one eyewitness' account, outrage that the shooter remains free is intensifying.

"It's surprising. It's shocking," said Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father. "It lets me know that justice is just not being served here. All we want is justice for our son. We're not asking for anything out of the ordinary." In an interview with ABC News, Martin's mother, Fulton, tearfully said she only seeks an arrest."Let a judge and jury decide the rest," she added.
con't....
 
con't....

In the meantime, outrage is spreading across the Internet.

The Seminole County State Attorney's Office was so bombarded by emails demanding that it prosecute Zimmerman that its website had to be taken down for 45 minutes, according to a spokeswoman for the office.

One of several petitions for Zimmerman's arrest has garnered more than 250,000 signatures on a change.org site, and at one point signatures were pouring in at the rate of 10,000 an hour, according to the website.

The outrage has been partly buoyed by calls for non-violent action by hip-hop luminaries, including Russell Simmons, who has been tweeting about the tragedy and warning against its possible vigilante violence.

"Trayvon Martin didn't die so we can create a race war he died so we can promote better understanding. We must start honest dialogue," Simmons wrote.

It may have been an allusion to a statement by a group called the New Black Liberation Militia, which planned to travel to Sanford, Fla., next week to enact a citizen's arrest against Zimmerman and bring him to federal authorities.


Sanford, Fla., Police Chief Billy Lee said Zimmerman asserts he shot Martin out of self-defense.

"Until we can establish probable cause to dispute that, we don't have the grounds to arrest him," Lee said last Tuesday.

Martin had been staying at his father's girlfriend's house and stepped out. On his way back into the gated suburban Orlando community, Martin was spotted by Zimmerman.

Zimmerman described Martin as suspicious because he was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and walking slowly in the rain, police later told residents at a town hall.

A dispatcher told him to wait for a police cruiser, and not leave his vehicle.

But about a minute later, Zimmerman left his car wearing a red sweatshirt and pursued Martin on foot between two rows of townhouses, about 70 yards from where the teen was going.

Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin did not of itself constitute a crime, Lee said.

Witnesses told ABC News a fistfight broke out and, at one point, Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin by more than 100 pounds, was on the ground and that Martin was on top.

Austin Brown, 13, was walking his dog during the time of the altercation and saw both men on the ground but separated.

Brown, along with several other residents, heard someone cry for help, just before hearing a gunshot. Police arrived 60 seconds later and the teen was quickly pronounced dead.

According to the police report, Zimmerman, who was armed with a handgun, was found bleeding from the nose and the back of the head, standing over Martin, who was unresponsive after being shot.

An officer at the scene overheard Zimmerman saying, "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me," the report said.

Witnesses told ABC News they heard Zimmerman pronounce, "It was self-defense," and place the gun on the ground.

But after the shooting, a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective peppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.

Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help. The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, that it was Zimmerman who cried for help, the witness told ABC News.


Lee publically admitted that officers accepted Zimmerman's word at the scene that he had no police record.

Two days after the incident, during a meeting with the victim's father, Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmerman's record was "squeaky clean."

Yet public records showed that Zimmerman was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a charge that was later expunged.

In a letter to the Orlando Sentinel, Zimmerman's father contended his son is not a racist.

"At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon," the letter said, "everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media."

"I asked [the police], 'Well, did you check out my son's record?'" Tracy Martin told ABC News in an interview Sunday. "What about his? ... Trayvon was innocent."

Trayvon Martin's Family Seeks Justice

Trayvon Martin had no arrest record or disciplinary action for violence as a student in North Miami's Krop High School.

On Monday, Lee, seeking to head off racial unrest, tried to reassure the public that his department was doing all it could to reach a fair conclusion, as some in the crowd heckled him by saying, "a little black boy is dead."

Lee's department said it plans on passing its investigation over to the state's attorney office to determine whether to press charges against Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin's parents described him as the kind of son who, even at 17, allowed his parents to kiss him publicly.

"That was my baby, my youngest son," his mother, Sybrina Fulton, told ABC News in an interview in Miami. "He meant a lot to me, I don't think the police department really understands that. ... I need justice for my family, I just want justice for my son."

Fulton is incensed that Zimmerman left his car despite being urged by dispatchers to stay put.

"My son didn't do anything," she said. "He was walking home from the store. Why would the neighborhood watch guy would have a weapon? ... It's just crazy. You are supposed to watch the neighborhood, not take the law into your own hands."

ABC News' Matthew Rosenbaum contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/neighborhood-...on-martin-wanted-cop-211535382--abc-news.html
 
Just some of the comments on yahoo. Some well made points


What would you do if someone, the size of Zimmerman, who doesn't identify himself as a cop, is not dressed like a cop, follows you yelling at you to stop, and grabs your shoulder, and you are 17, and you know you have not commited a crime? He was told not to leave his car. The kid was walking normally carrying some snacks. This guy must be taken off of the streets!!


"Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin did not of itself constitute a crime, Lee said."

Ahh..harassment comes to mind. On what grounds was he being pursued? Was the pursuer witness to a crime committed, to even begin such a pursuit?

How can anyone claim that a crime was not committed here, especially after the outcome? What was his motive?


Since when is 'looking drunk' and walking home in the rain a capital offence anyway? This Zimmerman guy stalked and killed a young man simply because he didnt like the way he looked. Thats premeditated murder!


Self defense? Zimmerman was in his CAR. He stalked the kid and then got out of the car to harass him
 
I have mixed feelings about militias of any kind descending on Florida to inflame an already burning situation, just as I have mixed feelings about the Sharptons of the world, who may use this "opportunity" to bolster rating share and or credibility... Ulterior motives undermine a basic injustice done to a young man with his entire life ahead of him. They may have pure intent but it shouldn't have even risen to a level requiring their involvement....

To once again quote the late MLK, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." To read his "Letter from a Burmingham Jail" in which he defines his mission and reasoning, this link may shed light on Dr. King's motives.

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

An unarmed young man, a teenager, lays buried while the perpetrator responsible for his death walks free under the auspices of "self defense". Moreover, the system we trust to protect and defend our rights has elected to exercise a blind eye in their enforcement of the law.

The basic facts, IMO, suggest a premeditated intent on Zimmerman's part, to raise the bar and take "justice" into his own hands.... Had Zimmerman not left his vehicle, and just followed the "suspicious" character until police arrived (which, according to both official police statements and eyewitness accounts, happened one minute after the fatal shot), this incident could have been logged as a "no harm, small foul" affair.

The Zimmerman family must have money and influence in the community and the local police department. Whether you agree or disagree, money buys "justice" in our current enforcement/judicial system. With law enforcement and the local DA unwilling to follow "normal" protocols, intertwined with involvement of their "own", coaching the suspect and witnesses suggests to me that they didn't have enough time to cover this one up "properly". A gun planted on the deceased would have made this an easy "open and closed" case.

The perp's own statements on his call-in to police incriminate him. The shooter left his vehicle after being instructed not to do so. Although licensed to carry a fire arm, was not authorized to do so in the capacity of a neighborhood watch participant and was probably so briefed by police, when signing up for and executing the program. With the technology we have at out finger tips, voice analysis can easily determine who cried for help. Why has that not been pursued over word of mouth? Granted, Treyvon is unable to provide a voice sample, but Zimmerman could be excluded as a possible contributor of the "cry" through samples of his voice.

The bottom line is, we all stand at the "Wailing Wall", seeking answers and some modicum of justice that has been brutally applied in similar instances for lessor offenses.

The last time I checked, the symbol for justice in the U.S. was a blind folded lady (Justicia), holding scales... Unfortunately, those scales continue to tip against people of color.
 
I have mixed feelings about militias of any kind descending on Florida to inflame an already burning situation, just as I have mixed feelings about the Sharptons of the world, who may use this "opportunity" to bolster rating share and or credibility... Ulterior motives undermine a basic injustice done to a young man with his entire life ahead of him. They may have pure intent but it shouldn't have even risen to a level requiring their involvement....

To once again quote the late MLK, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." To read his "Letter from a Burmingham Jail" in which he defines his mission and reasoning, this link may shed light on Dr. King's motives.

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

An unarmed young man, a teenager, lays buried while the perpetrator responsible for his death walks free under the auspices of "self defense". Moreover, the system we trust to protect and defend our rights has elected to exercise a blind eye in their enforcement of the law.

The basic facts, IMO, suggest a premeditated intent on Zimmerman's part, to raise the bar and take "justice" into his own hands.... Had Zimmerman not left his vehicle, and just followed the "suspicious" character until police arrived (which, according to both official police statements and eyewitness accounts, happened one minute after the fatal shot), this incident could have been logged as a "no harm, small foul" affair.

The Zimmerman family must have money and influence in the community and the local police department. Whether you agree or disagree, money buys "justice" in our current enforcement/judicial system. With law enforcement and the local DA unwilling to follow "normal" protocols, intertwined with involvement of their "own", coaching the suspect and witnesses suggests to me that they didn't have enough time to cover this one up "properly". A gun planted on the deceased would have made this an easy "open and closed" case.

The perp's own statements on his call-in to police incriminate him. The shooter left his vehicle after being instructed not to do so. Although licensed to carry a fire arm, was not authorized to do so in the capacity of a neighborhood watch participant and was probably so briefed by police, when signing up for and executing the program. With the technology we have at out finger tips, voice analysis can easily determine who cried for help. Why has that not been pursued over word of mouth? Granted, Treyvon is unable to provide a voice sample, but Zimmerman could be excluded as a possible contributor of the "cry" through samples of his voice.

The bottom line is, we all stand at the "Wailing Wall", seeking answers and some modicum of justice that has been brutally applied in similar instances for lessor offenses.

The last time I checked, the symbol for justice in the U.S. was a blind folded lady (Justicia), holding scales... Unfortunately, those scales continue to tip against people of color.

Do you feel it was a botched cover up? I feel it was an epic screw-up based on the sole assumption that the cop-friendly Zimmerman was telling them "the truth".
When the eyewitness said it was Martin who cried for help - and the cop "corrected" her - I got the impression that he did so based on Zimmerman's statement that he (Zimmerman) had called for help, rather than bother to just listen and collect eyewitness statements (of evidence). Very lazy investigating.
This will boil down to eyewitness accounts because unfortunately Zimmerman has Florida law on his side, and he had gashes to his face and head, as well as testimony from an eyewitness that Martin was on top of Zimmerman.

Then there's this caller..."They're wrestling right in the back of my porch," one frantic caller says. "The guy's yelling help and I'm not going out.".

(If only he had). So it'll be Zimmerman versus the eyewitnesses...I feel in my gut that Trayvon had no clue who this hulking guy following him in the rain was- I don't think Zimmerman identified himself as the NHWC, and Tray panicked, setting off Zimmerman who thought he could take control of this smaller child. What an utter tragedy that should never have happened.

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R.I.P babyboy.:(
 
Do you feel it was a botched cover up? I feel it was an epic screw-up based on the sole assumption that the cop-friendly Zimmerman was telling them "the truth".
When the eyewitness said it was Martin who cried for help - and the cop "corrected" her - I got the impression that he did so based on Zimmerman's statement that he (Zimmerman) had called for help, rather than bother to just listen and collect eyewitness statements (of evidence). Very lazy investigating.
This will boil down to eyewitness accounts because unfortunately Zimmerman has Florida law on his side, and he had gashes to his face and head, as well as testimony from an eyewitness that Martin was on top of Zimmerman.

Then there's this caller..."They're wrestling right in the back of my porch," one frantic caller says. "The guy's yelling help and I'm not going out.".

(If only he had). So it'll be Zimmerman versus the eyewitnesses...I feel in my gut that Trayvon had no clue who this hulking guy following him in the rain was- I don't think Zimmerman identified himself as the NHWC, and Tray panicked, setting off Zimmerman who thought he could take control of this smaller child. What an utter tragedy that should never have happened.

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R.I.P babyboy.:(

How does he have florida law on his side? he went to confront. He wasn't confronted. It is the kid that has the law on his side. The police department is indeed incompetent. I also don't understand how the police can be buddies with a guy that commits battery on cops. It would seem like the opposite effect. They(state or feds) need to take a real good look at what is going on over there. It is like the prisoners are in charge of the asylum.
 
How does he have florida law on his side? he went to confront. He wasn't confronted. It is the kid that has the law on his side. The police department is indeed incompetent. I also don't understand how the police can be buddies with a guy that commits battery on cops. It would seem like the opposite effect. They(state or feds) need to take a real good look at what is going on over there. It is like the prisoners are in charge of the asylum.

I was going off of what the police said - "pursing (following) someone is not breaking the law". The there is the law itself as AB stated above...
Florida's 2005 'Stand Your Ground' law...

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

Unbelievable.
All you have to do is tell a cop,' I thought Mr. X was going to kill me(with his bare hands) and in most cases if you murder someone after some altercation, most Florida law enforcement won't prosecute. No investigation, no nothing.


The other person doesn't even have to be armed.

Remember, ther's only one version - Zimmerman's. This is why I said the eye witnesses will be the key to any justice, no matter how emotional his family or we the public become.
I also don't think those cops knew he had been arrested for assaulting a cop previously, as I read two versions - one that the charges were dismissed and another that he had it expunged. Unless cops went digging deep for that, they wouldn't find it in an initial background check. ( I could be wrong). I'm figuring if they knew, he'd have been persona non gratis, for sure.
 
I was going off of what the police said - "pursing (following) someone is not breaking the law". The there is the law itself as AB stated above...


Remember, ther's only one version - Zimmerman's. This is why I said the eye witnesses will be the key to any justice.
I also don't think those cops knew he had been arrested for assaulting a cop previously, as I read two versions - one that the charges were dismissed and another that he had it expunged. Unless cops went digging deep for that, they wouldn't find it in an initial background check. ( i could be wrong). I'm figuring if they knew, he'd have been persona non gratis, for sure.



The same law can be applied to the kid. Hence the confusion on he has the law on his side. Both do. Worst case scenario AB is correct and it can't be proven who was the victim. However, I have yet to hear a witness in Zimmerman's case. This is why I think he is likely to be found guilty. Too many witnesses not agreeing with the story.
 
You guys are forgetting one key fact. Zimmerman was directed by the 911 dispatcher NOT to follow the" suspect. He was in no immediate crime nor was he stopping a crime. Honestly I think he tried to play Joe hero and tried to detain the kid and like any smart person Treyvon probably said fuck this I'm going home. Remember Zimmerman was in plain clothes approaching this kid at night. Which is reasonable for anyone to want to get away and he probably under estimaed Treyvon and started to panic when the kid was whooping his ass and as a resilt shot him. I don't think it was premeditated murder but second degree murder because he brought a deadly weapon into a situation he created. I'm dumb as fuck and this shit is clear to me as the sun rising. They still haven't explained why this piece of shit hasn't be arrested. At the very least for discharging a fire arm in a public
 
The same law can be applied to the kid. Hence the confusion on he has the law on his side. Both do. Worst case scenario AB is correct and it can't be proven who was the victim. However, I have yet to hear a witness in Zimmerman's case. This is why I think he is likely to be found guilty. Too many witnesses not agreeing with the story.

In most States, laws presume to be on the side of the deceased 'victim' - even in self defense.

So I can understand why you say that Florida's law would also be on Tray's side, because he was actually also fighting Zimmerman in self-defense, which then got him killed. However, their law is worded to err on the side of the shooter. Since this is a he said/she said scenario, the law cannot be applied to Martin, because he cannot contest Zimmerman's claims. In the instance the law applies, ie: "in the event of deadly force being used" - AS IS THE CASE HERE- if you kill someone and claims self defense and it's your word against the dead person's and ballistics initially support that - the LAW defaults to your side. If Zimmerman is claiming Martin was the perp - Martin is not alive to say Zimmerman was. You must look at the law objectively. Based on this outcome - the law allows that if one is defending themselves they can shoot to kill - unless proven otherwise.

This is why I have repeatedly said that the ONLY way the law will not "rescue" Zimmerman's ass is IF any of the 911 calls, or any of the eyewitnesses counter Zimmerman's version. or even if the trajectory of the bullets don't corroborate his version - anything to nullify the application of the law, he will surely then be arraigned.

You said you haven't heard eyewitness's speak, however there are some statements to the press which are in the news articles posted, as well as some from the 911 calls.
 
And isn't this Zimmerman guy a "self-appointed" neighborhood watch captain?? And if that's the case, as it what I keep reading, he's basically just some guy with a gun running around trying to play cop. And ya I wouldn't be surprised if he had been under the influence of something on top of that. Was the first thing I thought when I heard that 911 call.
 
Honestly, I prayed a lot, gave him lots of love & support, & I did my best to make him understand that he had to be extremely careful & watch his back at all times, to be smart in his decision making, to stay out of trouble, & to choose his friends wisely so their choices don't reflect poorly on him, etc...especially since there are people who will look at him with disdain & suspicion for no good reason.

In being honest with them about what can happen out in this ugly, hateful world, it's hard to balance making them mindful without making them fearful to the point where their afraid to live their lives or without encouraging a victim mentality, which only serve as hindrances in life.

It's also hard that they don't always listen or take what we try to teach them as seriously as they should, but as most of us know, that's the way life tends to work. We just have to love them, teach them well, try our best & hope that they have the best life possible. Of course, we'll never stop worrying about them, even as irritating as they find that to be.

Well said, Tam.

I was in Ft. Myers, Naples and Marco Island all last week/weekend, and I was happy that this hasn't been brushed under the rug. It dominated the news cycle the entire time I was back home.
 
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