Trayvon Martin's Murder

paniro187 said:
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Dude
What *is* your payoff?
 
Loki said:
It is possible in most cases for the Judge to use discretion on jury instructions including possible alternate charges. The political pressure speculation in right on point, the burden of proof for manslaughter is lower than 2nd degree murder so the odds of conviction are higher with that charge...
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Thanks for the legal clarity. :~)


Alinoa said:
Thanks bliss

I refused to watch any of trial because of the fact that there shouldn't even be one airing.

6 women?

Sounds sketchy. It's probably been covered a hundred pages ago but wouldn't that set up Zimmerman for some kind of do-able appeal or grounds for dismissing the conviction. I'm not an attorney so I have no idea how all that works.

I can see why all women would favor the prosecution but it could just as likely backfire depending on the judge, no?
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Having cameras in the court-room is always a good thing.

He helped pick the 6 women. No can complain unless he has proof of misconduct.

I did read a funny comment on it, though...

Gulf Coast •

G-boy has one thing on his side. I have never known 6 woman to agree on anything?

:eek:
 
Ra said:
It's suppose to show that Trayvon Martin like to fight, so he had to have been the one to throw the first punch, thereby giving Zimmerman his reason to claim self defense ....
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so zim gets a pass for beating his gf and fighting a cop while drunk and lets not forget he lied at bond hearing about knowing about the stand ur ground law
 
Bliss said:
Thanks for the legal clarity. :~)




Having cameras in the court-room is always a good thing.

He helped pick the 6 women. No can complain unless he has proof of misconduct.

I did read a funny comment on it, though...

Gulf Coast •

G-boy has one thing on his side. I have never known 6 woman to agree on anything?

:eek:
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True 'dat.

Lol
 
Want to take a moment...

With the trial over and while the Jury deliberates....just wanted to acknowledge that regardless of facts or any of our opinions ...this mother lost her son..

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A son who, throughout his life until that fateful night, wasn't known to have maliciously hurt any person or kill anyone...
So whether for or against, just remember that, and respectfully empathize that his mother continues to grieve.
 
goodlove said:
so zim gets a pass for beating his gf and fighting a cop while drunk and lets not forget he lied at bond hearing about knowing about the stand ur ground law
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I can only speak for myself but I'm not even looking at any of that shit. I'm looking at it from the POV that a grown man used suspect judgement to engage in a situation that would have never occur if he used sound judgement. Even taking race out of the equation I'm still looking at it from that POV.
 
Bliss said:
With the trial over and while the Jury deliberates....just wanted to acknowledge that regardless of facts or any of our opinions ...this mother lost her son..

variscandytray.jpg

A son who, throughout his life until that fateful night, wasn't known to have maliciously hurt any person or kill anyone...
So whether for or against, just remember that, and respectfully empathize that his mother continues to grieve.
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Poingnent reminder, Bliss thank you for that.

Might I also add, that whether or not Zimmerman gets convicted..his family has to "grieve" a loss as well. I'm not trying to minimize this mothers loss. Nothing, not even time, heals that.
But what we do, our actions and our words, impact others around us and those we don't even know.

I won't speculate on Zimmermans family because its much to heated even for me. But when you hurt others you hurt yourself. When you hurt, your loved ones hurt.
Zimmerman must have loved ones deeply affected by this tragedy. A loss also. But not to be compared to a grieving mother and family and not to make excuses for Zimmerman.
 
Alinoa said:
Poingnent reminder, Bliss thank you for that.

Might I also add, that whether or not Zimmerman gets convicted..his family has to "grieve" a loss as well. I'm not trying to minimize this mothers loss. Nothing, not even time, heals that.
But what we do, our actions and our words, impact others around us and those we don't even know.

I won't speculate on Zimmermans family because its much to heated even for me. But when you hurt others you hurt yourself. When you hurt, your loved ones hurt.
Zimmerman must have loved ones deeply affected by this tragedy. A loss also. But not to be compared to a grieving mother and family and not to make excuses for Zimmerman.
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TOTALLY get where you are coming from. Very true and moving points you made.
 
Bliss said:
With the trial over and while the Jury deliberates....just wanted to acknowledge that regardless of facts or any of our opinions ...this mother lost her son..

variscandytray.jpg

A son who, throughout his life until that fateful night, wasn't known to have maliciously hurt any person or kill anyone...
So whether for or against, just remember that, and respectfully empathize that his mother continues to grieve.
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Ra said:
I can only speak for myself but I'm not even looking at any of that shit. I'm looking at it from the POV that a grown man used suspect judgement to engage in a situation that would have never occur if he used sound judgement. Even taking race out of the equation I'm still looking at it from that POV.
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Alinoa said:
Poingnent reminder, Bliss thank you for that.

Might I also add, that whether or not Zimmerman gets convicted..his family has to "grieve" a loss as well. I'm not trying to minimize this mothers loss. Nothing, not even time, heals that.
But what we do, our actions and our words, impact others around us and those we don't even know.

I won't speculate on Zimmermans family because its much to heated even for me. But when you hurt others you hurt yourself. When you hurt, your loved ones hurt.
Zimmerman must have loved ones deeply affected by this tragedy. A loss also. But not to be compared to a grieving mother and family and not to make excuses for Zimmerman.
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Very good points, all. Great posts.
 
Bliss said:
TOTALLY get where you are coming from. Very true and moving points you made.
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Absolutely beautiful family in that picture.

I pray for her. She will never be the same and the depths of her anguish and sorrow...
It really highlights how we lose track of what's important here.

Suffering and how no matter where we stand on this issue..the inherent suffering caused even more suffering.
The cycle repeats itself everyday everywhere and with everyone.

I'm kinda pissed at Zimmerman
But focusing on that has prevented me from keeping the acute hurt of the WHOLE situation at the forefront.
I get swayed by strong emotion. So who am I to condemn Zimmerman for the same thing.

It goes back to separating the person from their actions. No easy task.
As Pema Chodron says:

Compassion becomes real when we recognize our shared humanity.
 
the difference between trays family and zims is that tray can no longer communicate with his fam, his mother or dad and siblings
 
Alinoa said:
Absolutely beautiful family in that picture.

I pray for her. She will never be the same and the depths of her anguish and sorrow...
It really highlights how we lose track of what's important here.

Suffering and how no matter where we stand on this issue..the inherent suffering caused even more suffering.
The cycle repeats itself everyday everywhere and with everyone.

I'm kinda pissed at Zimmerman
But focusing on that has prevented me from keeping the acute hurt of the WHOLE situation at the forefront.
I get swayed by strong emotion. So who am I to condemn Zimmerman for the same thing.

It goes back to separating the person from their actions. No easy task.
As Pema Chodron says:

Compassion becomes real when we recognize our shared humanity.
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i have a major problem with zim. he stated on hannity that he had no regrets at what happened and it was gods will.

now thats some arrogant and evil shit.
he was in my eyes saying he did america a service...god wanted him dead
 
Alinoa said:
Absolutely beautiful family in that picture.

I pray for her. She will never be the same and the depths of her anguish and sorrow...
It really highlights how we lose track of what's important here.

Suffering and how no matter where we stand on this issue..the inherent suffering caused even more suffering.
The cycle repeats itself everyday everywhere and with everyone.

I'm kinda pissed at Zimmerman
But focusing on that has prevented me from keeping the acute hurt of the WHOLE situation at the forefront.
I get swayed by strong emotion. So who am I to condemn Zimmerman for the same thing.

It goes back to separating the person from their actions. No easy task.
As Pema Chodron says:

Compassion becomes real when we recognize our shared humanity.
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:smt049 (< it's for the whole post, not only the bolded)

Such beautiful lessons here...
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Ra said:
It's suppose to show that Trayvon Martin like to fight, so he had to have been the one to throw the first punch, thereby giving Zimmerman his reason to claim self defense ....
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Why aren't the same people talking about him beating his wife and taking a swing at the cops then?
 
Ra said:
I can only speak for myself but I'm not even looking at any of that shit. I'm looking at it from the POV that a grown man used suspect judgement to engage in a situation that would have never occur if he used sound judgement. Even taking race out of the equation I'm still looking at it from that POV.
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Alinoa said:
People have.

Just like you don' how they think they won't understand how you think.

You have to be open for that.
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in other words they have their prejudgement.
 
goodlove said:
i understand what you are saying. I got it. here is what Im saying ...It is sickening that we are accepting this fuckery. we have been accepting of this type of fuckery for years. the fuckery has always been the inference of how evil black people are. first it was BW. Oh BW are this and that. never any civil difference of philosophy or something. it was how disgusting BW are. so when I spoke up people got mad for me speaking up. they got so use to the bashing that they got numb to it. until a couple of guys spoke up after a month of it and then the hater site website put WWBM on blast. then all of the sudden the people here were awaken how vile it was.

my position it is ok to express for grievances but to be vile is different. BW arent disgusting. you have a child with a ww and its a girl ...in societies eyes she is black and you bwill see her black skin. is she disgusting? I told ww here be careful of men who constantly bash BW because they are incapable of loving you in a proper fashion.

Now we have to people who are saying/inferring (especially paniro) that tray deserved what happened to him because he look like a thug.

these are the same two that are constantly degrading Black People in general. Beyond critiquing but degrading. discussing their disdain for blacks. now they have shown clearly what they would love to do to a black person and here we are accepting of it. not just tolerating (bad in of itself) but accepting.

what I said was bad and Im man enuff to say I was wrong. which a heap of people in this forum refuse to do when they offend others and get called out for it.

what I will not apologize for? standing for my black skin. standing for someone of different class. standing for someone of another skin. basically standing for what I hope is right.

these two fools hate their own skin. so why are we accepting that. this is an IR site that is suppose to be intolerant of hate because people hate what we do.

so killing a teen by a grown and suppose to be mature man because he LOOK like a thug when he himself is a thug by definition is horrible.
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You're right but frankly, you have people here that just don't care about it. All they care about is a relationship with a skinny, blonde white woman. Our country does have a high percentage of people who received or previously had an episode of mental illness. That says something about the mentality of what kind of people we're dealing with here.
 
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