TRUMP Thread

andreboba said:
Explain Obama's long con, since you can't help bringing him up. He had an obstructionist Republican Congress for 6 years, not sure he had enough juice to con anyone because he couldn't get anything passed through Congress.
Typical, when a Trumpster is losing ground defending Donald, they go back to Obama and grasp at straws.

BTW the United States takes in about 1 million immigrants a year, not 20 MILLION. Step out of the bubble, Bliss. Common sense and not ideology should have told you that 20 mil number was a right wing fantasy.
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I said 20 million illegals. Read.

OIC, so Loki can bring Obama up to me but l can't? FOH, lol.

DACA and ACA for starters, since you asked.
 
DudeNY12 said:
I don't have any children. If I did and/or if someone was impregnated by me... I feel I have a right to know, but that the mother's (mother-to-be) decision/feeling tops all others.
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A right to know? Based on your answer, what difference does it make? You by default agree to have no rights, up to terminating your unborn, which includes being told that you impregnated someone. So which is it? Do you think you have a right to become a father to your unborn, or not? It's a yes or no.
 
Bliss said:
I said 20 million illegals. Read.

OIC, so Loki can bring Obama up to me but l can't? FOH, lol.

DACA and ACA for starters, since you asked.
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We take in 20 million illegals?? What does that mean? We have 20 million already here, or is that per year??

If the GOP hadn't focused so much on knee-capping Obama on the ACA and instead worked to implement amendments to improve and expand the ACA, there wouldn't be any holes in the program.

Every industrialized country in the world has some form of universal healthcare.
Only in America do Republicans think universal healthcare is a bad thing.
 
andreboba said:
We take in 20 million illegals?? What does that mean? We have 20 million already here, or is that per year??

If the GOP hadn't focused so much on knee-capping Obama on the ACA and instead worked to implement amendments to improve and expand the ACA, there wouldn't be any holes in the program.

Every industrialized country in the world has some form of universal healthcare.
Only in America do Republicans think universal healthcare is a bad thing.
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Already here, @illegals comment.
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Obama kept tweaking the ACA, after standing firm behind it, making exceptions for big Corps, that delayed the eventual negative outcome that he knew would happen. It was unsustainable for a country of this populated magnitude.

Why 60 percent of small-business owners want Obamacare repealed
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/05/why-60-percent-of-small-business-owners-want-obamacare-repealed.html

". The major reason: spiraling health insurance premiums — often a result of insurance companies fleeing the marketplace..."

Obamacare -- Bad for Employers, Bad for Employees

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...for-employers-bad-for-employees/#1114d7af2d49
“On average, employees who work a full year for a business with 50-99 employees lose $935 annually due to ACA regulations, while employees of businesses with 20-49 employees, on average lose $827.50 annually,” the study noted."

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Of course AB, Universal works wonderfully when the population is small. Which is why Iceland and Sweden and Norway don't appreciate being the comparative model because they know why it works for them.
 
Bliss said:
Already here, @illegals comment.
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Obama kept tweaking the ACA, after standing firm behind it, making exceptions for big Corps, that delayed the eventual negative outcome that he knew would happen. It was unsustainable for a country of this populated magnitude.

Why 60 percent of small-business owners want Obamacare repealed
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/05/why-60-percent-of-small-business-owners-want-obamacare-repealed.html

". The major reason: spiraling health insurance premiums — often a result of insurance companies fleeing the marketplace..."

Obamacare -- Bad for Employers, Bad for Employees

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...for-employers-bad-for-employees/#1114d7af2d49
“On average, employees who work a full year for a business with 50-99 employees lose $935 annually due to ACA regulations, while employees of businesses with 20-49 employees, on average lose $827.50 annually,” the study noted."

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Of course AB, Universal works wonderfully when the population is small. Which is why Iceland and Sweden and Norway don't appreciate being the comparative model because they know why it works for them.
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We also know why health insurance works for us although our population is way bigger than Iceland and Norway. It works because we want it to work.
 
I'm not sure, but was it you @andreboba or was it @Loki who complained President Trump was unfairly undermining the FBI. ( l could be wrong and read it elsewhere)..

"Two FBI officials who derided Donald Trump in text messages prior to the presidential election and suggested taking out an 'insurance policy' in case he won, were revealed on Monday to have talked about forming a 'secret society' the day after the Republican politician beat Hillary Clinton.."

  • Texts between the pair from December 14, 2017 to May 17, 2017 are missing
  • Time frame covers the transition to the beginning of special counsel probe

The FBI can't find their missing texts? Lolol. Liars. They'd find yours or mine, you can bet that.
 
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Bliss said:
Already here, @illegals comment.
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Obama kept tweaking the ACA, after standing firm behind it, making exceptions for big Corps, that delayed the eventual negative outcome that he knew would happen. It was unsustainable for a country of this populated magnitude.

Why 60 percent of small-business owners want Obamacare repealed
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/05/why-60-percent-of-small-business-owners-want-obamacare-repealed.html

". The major reason: spiraling health insurance premiums — often a result of insurance companies fleeing the marketplace..."

Obamacare -- Bad for Employers, Bad for Employees

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...for-employers-bad-for-employees/#1114d7af2d49
“On average, employees who work a full year for a business with 50-99 employees lose $935 annually due to ACA regulations, while employees of businesses with 20-49 employees, on average lose $827.50 annually,” the study noted."

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Of course AB, Universal works wonderfully when the population is small. Which is why Iceland and Sweden and Norway don't appreciate being the comparative model because they know why it works for them.
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We can go link for link both pro and con Obamacare, it just depends on who is interpreting the data, it can be spun both ways Bliss.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/18/15987252/obamacare-repeal-working-mcconnell

http://time.com/money/4209465/is-obamacare-working/
 
Bliss said:
A right to know? Based on your answer, what difference does it make? You by default agree to have no rights, up to terminating your unborn, which includes being told that you impregnated someone. So which is it? Do you think you have a right to become a father to your unborn, or not? It's a yes or no.
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I say that because I assume I'd know about her being pregnant if she's even somewhat important to me. That said... If she decided that she didn't want to have the child... To me: It's her decision, and I'd deal with it/support her.
 
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Madeleine said:
We also know why health insurance works for us although our population is way bigger than Iceland and Norway. It works because we want it to work.
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Agreed! I think the population size argument doesn't come close to holding water. Sure the USA has a large population, but that means it also have a lot of taxpayers, but of course in this country act as if taxes is such a horrible thing. Granted no one likes taxes sort of how no one likes bills, but I have no issue with paying a bit more to for services and such that would benefit the masses.
 
DudeNY12 said:
Agreed! I think the population size argument doesn't come close to holding water. Sure the USA has a large population, but that means it also have a lot of taxpayers, but of course in this country act as if taxes is such a horrible thing. Granted no one likes taxes sort of how no one likes bills but I have no issue with paying a bit more to for services and such that would benefit the masses.
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I'm preparing to move to Switzerland right now which has way lower tax (depending on income and state roughly around 16-22%) but still have a healthcare system for everyone. It's certainly not as user friendly as in Germany (you have to pay additional fees for each doctor's visit and medication) but still everyone has access to healthcare in some way. I think there are different models one could implement if the political will was there. The POTUS says America is the greatest country in the universe so am sure he could do it if he wanted to;-)
 
Bliss said:
Are you fat-shaming? How do you call yourself a "liberal" but show immense intolerance for someone's appearance? Would it be ok if your weight was mocked back since you threw the first punch?
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Given that Trump has been a fat shamer for years (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-overweight-jokes-other-politicians-590515), it would would be just desserts for him to catch a little in return.
Are you telling me that you dont find it just a little bit suspicious that he suddenly gained 1 inch to his height and is now only one pound away from being "obese" (http://www.vocativ.com/359585/did-trump-add-an-inch-to-avoid-being-technically-obese/index.html) based on the BMI?
 
Bliss said:
Already here, @illegals comment.
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Obama kept tweaking the ACA, after standing firm behind it, making exceptions for big Corps, that delayed the eventual negative outcome that he knew would happen. It was unsustainable for a country of this populated magnitude.

Why 60 percent of small-business owners want Obamacare repealed
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/05/why-60-percent-of-small-business-owners-want-obamacare-repealed.html

". The major reason: spiraling health insurance premiums — often a result of insurance companies fleeing the marketplace..."

Obamacare -- Bad for Employers, Bad for Employees

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...for-employers-bad-for-employees/#1114d7af2d49
“On average, employees who work a full year for a business with 50-99 employees lose $935 annually due to ACA regulations, while employees of businesses with 20-49 employees, on average lose $827.50 annually,” the study noted."

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Of course AB, Universal works wonderfully when the population is small. Which is why Iceland and Sweden and Norway don't appreciate being the comparative model because they know why it works for them.
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Yet Medicare works.

Kind of shoots a hole into the argument that universal healthcare doesn't work in the USA.

Funny how you can be so anti-establishment on so many other issues, but when it comes to healthcare you're a megaphone for the health insurance industry.
 
Bliss said:
Lol.Please dont talk about con when Obama conned the country. It took a few years to show, but con he did. And Obama definitely had the best words, too.
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Funny you use that word, "con" I dont remember President Obama having to pay a $25 million dollar fine for "conning" real estate students with a fake "university"... And you cannot show ANY proof that Obama conned the country, he left if FAR, FAR, FAR, better than what he inherited from Bush, whether it was the Economy, security of the nation, our leadership in the world, and just about every domestic measurement you can name. Which is why his "first" ranking upon leaving office is a very impressive 12th of all time when compared to other Presidents, and likely to rise over time, https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149
 
Loki said:
Funny you use that word, "con" I dont remember President Obama having to pay a $25 million dollar fine for "conning" real estate students with a fake "university"... And you cannot show ANY proof that Obama conned the country, he left if FAR, FAR, FAR, better than what he inherited from Bush, whether it was the Economy, security of the nation, our leadership in the world, and just about every domestic measurement you can name. Which is why his "first" ranking upon leaving office is a very impressive 12th of all time when compared to other Presidents, and likely to rise over time, https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149
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I get the spirit in which you defend Obama....but he is not worth it.

Obama is every bit of a corporate puppet than was Bush....he's a huge con artist.
Did he end the spying on Americans or reinstate Habeus Corpus that Bush suspended?

Nope.

...but I get where you're coming from.
 
flaminghetero said:
I get the spirit in which you defend Obama....but he is not worth it.

Obama is every bit of a corporate puppet than was Bush....he's a huge con artist.
Did he end the spying on Americans or reinstate Habeus Corpus that Bush suspended?

Nope.

...but I get where you're coming from.
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I hear you too, President Obama did have his failures while in office as well http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/, we can agree to disagree on him being a con-artist, I can see your point of view given prior posts on every politician, having worked on multiple PAC's in my time, it is VERY understandable to come across people who feel the whole system is corrupt as are all in Washington D.C. IMO, President Obama, did an extraordinary job under no less than historical difficulties, and there is plenty of data to back that opinion up...

Alan Krueger
Former Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers

“President Obama came to office with the economy collapsing. We were losing 800,000 jobs a month. Within six months, because of the actions of the administration, the Congress and the Fed, the recession came to an end, and we started a modest recovery. Since job growth started in early 2010, we’ve added over 15 million jobs. That’s considerably more than we saw in the last recovery. That’s in spite of the fact that many of the tools that President Obama requested to help strengthen the recovery, like investing more in infrastructure or raising the minimum wage, Congress refused to act on. So I think history will look back at this time and say that the president did a remarkable job in the midst of great difficulty for the economy.”
 
Loki said:
Given that Trump has been a fat shamer for years (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-overweight-jokes-other-politicians-590515), it would would be just desserts for him to catch a little in return.
Are you telling me that you dont find it just a little bit suspicious that he suddenly gained 1 inch to his height and is now only one pound away from being "obese" (http://www.vocativ.com/359585/did-trump-add-an-inch-to-avoid-being-technically-obese/index.html) based on the BMI?
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I see what you did there.

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Loki said:
I hear you too, President Obama did have his failures while in office as well http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/, we can agree to disagree on him being a con-artist, I can see your point of view given prior posts on every politician, having worked on multiple PAC's in my time, it is VERY understandable to come across people who feel the whole system is corrupt as are all in Washington D.C. IMO, President Obama, did an extraordinary job under no less than historical difficulties, and there is plenty of data to back that opinion up...

Alan Krueger
Former Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers

“President Obama came to office with the economy collapsing. We were losing 800,000 jobs a month. Within six months, because of the actions of the administration, the Congress and the Fed, the recession came to an end, and we started a modest recovery. Since job growth started in early 2010, we’ve added over 15 million jobs. That’s considerably more than we saw in the last recovery. That’s in spite of the fact that many of the tools that President Obama requested to help strengthen the recovery, like investing more in infrastructure or raising the minimum wage, Congress refused to act on. So I think history will look back at this time and say that the president did a remarkable job in the midst of great difficulty for the economy.”
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Obama did a good job being the Black face of the corporate state.

That's what history will see.

Dude is dining with the same people that supposedly stopped him from doing all the great things he wouldn't have done in the first place.

He bombed Syria....presided over brutal police actions on Black people....even children,without doing jack shit but read a speech.

He didn't lift a finger to restore Habeus Corpus( a fair trail) after Bush suspended it.
 
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