TRUMP Thread

[Beasty]

How come its an non European country that is "helping"Ukraine ? ?
Maybe America should just keep helping its great democratic friend Turkey.
A country which continues to occupy part of an EU country.

Because maybe they are our allies. Why isn't a European country helping them while they are being bullied by a dictator to their east?? You don't think America should have helped when Germany invaded France?? If we can help France then why not Ukraine??

What country does Turkey occupy? You're saying they invaded an EU country??

 

[sarah23]

Because maybe they are our allies. Why isn't a European country helping them while they are being bullied by a dictator to their east?? You don't think America should have helped when Germany invaded France?? If we can help France then why not Ukraine??

What country does Turkey occupy? You're saying they invaded an EU country??

Northern Cyprus
But the USA doesnt place sanctions against Turkey.
Double standards.

 

[Beasty]

Northern Cyprus
But the USA doesnt place sanctions against Turkey.
Double standards.

First of all Turkey is part of NATO putting sanctions on them wouldn't make sense. (NATO, so it's France's Ally too)

Secondly the invasion of Cyprus by the Greeks is what started it.

Those people seem to want Turkey there because they want to be independent from the rest of Cyprus because they are Muslim. Turkey is also Muslim.

It's probably more complicated than that but as long as France is a part of NATO don't push Turkey off on us as if your country has nothing to do with them.

Do you want your country out of NATO? Do you want NATO to no longer exist?

 

[sarah23]

First of all Turkey is part of NATO putting sanctions on them wouldn't make sense. (NATO, so it's France's Ally too)

Secondly the invasion of Cyprus by the Greeks is what started it.

Those people seem to want Turkey there because they want to be independent from the rest of Cyprus because they are Muslim. Turkey is also Muslim.

It's probably more complicated than that but as long as France is a part of NATO don't push Turkey off on us as if your country has nothing to do with them.

Do you want your country out of NATO? Do you want NATO to no longer exist?

Turkey doesnt even help NATO
It buys Russian weapons.
Its not democratic.
And it occupies part of a EU country, contrary to U. N.
But USA still backs them.
Many EU countries want closer relations with Russia.

 

[Beasty]

Turkey doesnt even help NATO
It buys Russian weapons.
Its not democratic.
And it occupies part of a EU country, contrary to U. N.
But USA still backs them.
Many EU countries want closer relations with Russia.

As if Russia isn't a dictatorship. That's quite hypocritical.

Turkey was a democracy last time I checked, did that change?

You do have a point about them buying Russian made weapons tho, that's counter productive for a country in NATO. I don't like that at all.

So what do you want exactly? You want Turkey out of NATO or do you want France out of NATO?

Seems like you want Europe to be closer to Russia. Why is that? Why this affinity for Russia? Why does Europe want to be closer to them?

 

[Beasty]

Turkey doesnt even help NATO
It buys Russian weapons.
Its not democratic.
And it occupies part of a EU country, contrary to U. N.
But USA still backs them.
Many EU countries want closer relations with Russia.

Ok Turkey is definitely questionable. It may not be much of a democracy anymore or a failing one at best, but when you show affinity for Russia in the same breath it comes off as quite hypocritical.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

I wish people would stop saying there's no way the Senate would ever impeach Trump.

Before the Nixon impeachment proceedings, there was no way Senate Republicans were going to impeach him either, until they actually SAW and HEARD the impeachment testimonies and told Nixon if he didn't resign, they were going to impeach him.

This isn't like when Clinton was impeached in the House because he lied about a blow job.

Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice, extortion of a foreign power to help him smear a political rival and violating the Constitution, just as a start.

When the Dems are done with impeachment proceedings in the House, I seriously doubt 50 Republican senators are going to be willing to put their names out there voting to defend this scumbag.

Unfortunately, it's not the 70s anymore and the Republican Party of 2019 is NOT the Republican Party of the Nixon days. The currently GOP is much further to the right and much more reactionary than they have ever been with no end in sight.

Bear in mind this is the same group of Senate Republicans who literally told Barack Obama that they were going to refuse to hold a vote on his Supreme Court nominee and suffered absolutely zero political fallout because of it.

I get that you're optimistic that Senate Republicans are going to suddenly recognize the rule of law after completely ignoring it since January 2017, but they really cared about that then they wouldn't be supporting him in the first place.

 

[sarah23]

Ok Turkey is definitely questionable. It may not be much of a democracy anymore or a failing one at best, but when you show affinity for Russia in the same breath it comes off as quite hypocritical.

N Cyprus is Turkist because most people there are Turkish.
Same for N Ireland being British.
Same for Crimea being Russia
.

 

[sarah23]

Ok Turkey is definitely questionable. It may not be much of a democracy anymore or a failing one at best, but when you show affinity for Russia in the same breath it comes off as quite hypocritical.

I have more affinity for Russia, a fellow European country, than I do for Saudi Arabia, which finances Salafist islam and finances theconstruction of mosques all over Europe.
But its Americas friend.
American has gotten itself into so many messy wars because of its opposition to Russia.
But all these military interventions have ended in failure and the deaths of thousands of young Americans.
Pointless

 

[Beasty]

I have more affinity for Russia, a fellow European country, than I do for Saudi Arabia, which finances Salafist islam and finances theconstruction of mosques all over Europe.
But its Americas friend.
American has gotten itself into so many messy wars because of its opposition to Russia.
But all these military interventions have ended in failure and the deaths of thousands of young Americans.
Pointless

Yeah we should break ties with Saudi Arabia and become energy independent. We haven't yet because of internal politics.

You seem to like Arabs and their culture. Just not the Muslim ones?

So you have an affinity for Russia just because it's a "fellow European" country? It's America's fault that Russia is our enemy?

We should just stay to ourselves and let Russia become bigger and more powerful?

 

[Beasty]

Unfortunately, it's not the 70s anymore and the Republican Party of 2019 is NOT the Republican Party of the Nixon days. The currently GOP is much further to the right and much more reactionary than they have ever been with no end in sight.

Bear in mind this is the same group of Senate Republicans who literally told Barack Obama that they were going to refuse to hold a vote on his Supreme Court nominee and suffered absolutely zero political fallout because of it.

I get that you're optimistic that Senate Republicans are going to suddenly recognize the rule of law after completely ignoring it since January 2017, but they really cared about that then they wouldn't be supporting him in the first place.

When he finds out Trump won't get removed it's going to be capitalism's fault, watch.

 

[sarah23]

Yeah we should break ties with Saudi Arabia and become energy independent. We haven't yet because of internal politics.

You seem to like Arabs and their culture. Just not the Muslim ones?

So you have an affinity for Russia just because it's a "fellow European" country? It's America's fault that Russia is our enemy?

We should just stay to ourselves and let Russia become bigger and more powerful?

China is the one to watch, not Russia.
Yes USA needs to be energy independent and not back these dictators.

 

[Beasty]

China is the one to watch, not Russia.
Yes USA needs to be energy independent and not back these dictators.

I say we should watch any dictator that has nuclear weapons. Especially one that's aggressive as Russia. You have this affinity for Russia and can't explain why. It's like a high school crush or something. That doesn't work in the real world. We can't govern ourselves by emotions. Cold hard logic and strategy only.

 

[sarah23]

America is aggressive too.
It uses its military power to defend its interests.
And will back any country that supports its interests, including islamists, dictators, human right abusers etc.
It has no moral authority to criticise any country, including Russia.

 

[Beasty]

America is aggressive too.
It uses its military power to defend its interests.
And will back any country that supports its interests, including islamists, dictators, human right abusers etc.
It has no moral authority to criticise any country, including Russia.

At least we aren't a dictatorship. So yes we can criticize Russia.

 

[Beasty]

America is aggressive too.
It uses its military power to defend its interests.
And will back any country that supports its interests, including islamists, dictators, human right abusers etc.
It has no moral authority to criticise any country, including Russia.

Yes we can

 

[Beasty]

America is aggressive too.
It uses its military power to defend its interests.
And will back any country that supports its interests, including islamists, dictators, human right abusers etc.
It has no moral authority to criticise any country, including Russia.

Putin KILLS his political rivals. Your high school crush on Russia is just silly.

 

[andreboba]

Unfortunately, it's not the 70s anymore and the Republican Party of 2019 is NOT the Republican Party of the Nixon days. The currently GOP is much further to the right and much more reactionary than they have ever been with no end in sight.

Bear in mind this is the same group of Senate Republicans who literally told Barack Obama that they were going to refuse to hold a vote on his Supreme Court nominee and suffered absolutely zero political fallout because of it.

I get that you're optimistic that Senate Republicans are going to suddenly recognize the rule of law after completely ignoring it since January 2017, but they really cared about that then they wouldn't be supporting him in the first place.

No matter how popular Trump is among his small base, no Republican politician is going to support him if he becomes burned and they risk losing their seats.

There's a poll out that says 22% of Republican voters right now support impeachment if it's proven that Trump used the office of the POTUS to bully the Ukrainian president to dig up dirt on Biden.
The Dems need less than 20 Republicans in the Senate to remove Trump from office.

The whistleblower is going to testify before Congress, as is the intelligence inspector general who said the whisteblower's complaint was legitimate.
The Director of National Intelligence, a Trump appointee, just testified and basically agreed with the facts of the complaint.

That's two Trump appointees who've already turned on him.

I think so many Republicans are personally sick of Trump and hate the guy, it wouldn't take a hard push to get them to kick him out of the clubhouse.

 

[sarah23]

Putin KILLS his political rivals. Your high school crush on Russia is just silly.

America inteferes in other countries and kills politicians and installs despots.
The list is long.
Our late president Jacques Chirac was against the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Now we see the mess created in Iraq.
Only Iran has gained.
The irony of U.S. policy.

 

[Beasty]

America inteferes in other countries and kills politicians and installs despots.
The list is long.
Our late president Jacques Chirac was against the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Now we see the mess created in Iraq.
Only Iran has gained.
The irony of U.S. policy.

Yeah Iraq was a bad idea.

Still you have a crush on Russia as if that makes sense. If Russia becomes more powerful you would have one man ruling the world, I guess that makes sense to you.

You see America's faults and turn a blind eye to a dictator and country that has done nothing for yours.

Highschool crush projected to the stage of the real world.

All of the stuff America is guilty of has been happening for centuries but it's far worse under dictators.

Maybe you should become a politican since you're so comfortable being hypocritical.