Tyler Perry should be credited with the resurgence of Black cinema in this era

[medullaslashin]

tyler perry is the "fiddy cent" of film.

Nominally "christian," kinda mercenary, pimping his way to riches selling bullshit to people with bad taste

 

[pettyofficerj]

g-g-g-g-g-unit

 

[hellified]

Can't wait to see his response, good point Loki.
This shit doesn't happen in a vacuum. People are incredibly easy to manipulate. Just ten years ago here in NY being Muslim with Arabic features made one the center of a lot of hate. Five years prior to that no one ever gave two thoughts about Arabic looking people. They sold newspapers and drove cabs. That's all we thought about them, now everyone is potential terrorist based on the actions of barely a dozen people.
Negative imaging campaigns work whether you want to believe it or not.

can we bring it back to the topic of the over reach and exaggerated influence that tyler perry supposedly exhibits??

How does madea make your life that much more difficult..REALLY???

 

[The Dark King]

can we bring it back to the topic of the over reach and exaggerated influence that tyler perry supposedly exhibits??

How does madea make your life that much more difficult..REALLY???

Well that's not the topic at hand. The topic is is TP bringing back black people to.film

 

[Morning Star]

I won't deny that he has greatly contributed to keeping black films on the big and small screens, however one-dimensional or poorly written they may be, alive. Having said that, there aren't a lot of black filmmakers who would take to task producing movies or TV shows with a certain level of appeal and he's successfully tapped into that quite well.

Sadly, there are less black filmmakers and writers, etc....and more outspoken blacks who complain about lack of diversity and risks in such things. There are greater amounts of medium and opportunities to help build more profiles for them, but sadly, they are not supported by the very crowd that values some brevity of diversity and are often criticized in many respects. So, we'll continue to draw ourselves back to square one, with little progress.

Hollywood will always be about making money first and foremost. And if there's no money in an idea, then what's the point in making it come to the big screen or small screen? It's the sad truth, but if you want to make a vision come true, you need to do it yourself instead of bitching about Tyler Perry's work.

YouTube is a great venue for those who lack the funds and name recognition and it's much cheaper to produce if you know how to master cinematography.

 

[Mighty Quinn]

can we bring it back to the topic of the over reach and exaggerated influence that tyler perry supposedly exhibits??

How does madea make your life that much more difficult..REALLY???

That's twice you used "overreach" to describe any suggestion that his work could be pernicious. Its really not much of a reach, nevermind overreach.

 

[hellified]

That's twice you used "overreach" to describe any suggestion that his work could be pernicious. Its really not much of a reach, nevermind overreach.

and you still have yet to explain how exactly his work is harmful in any real world way to the black community?

 

[Mighty Quinn]

and you still have yet to explain how exactly his work is harmful in any real world way to the black community?

Who said anything about a "black community"? I'm going by the buffoonery splayed on my television screen. Its not a question of who it harms but how, and in my humble opinion its pretty obvious.

 

[hellified]

Who said anything about a "black community"? I'm going by the buffoonery splayed on my television screen. Its not a question of who it harms but how, and in my humble opinion its pretty obvious.

buf·foon (b-fn)
n.
1. A clown; a jester: a court buffoon.
2. A person given to clowning and joking.
3. A ludicrous or bumbling person; a fool.

buf·foon·er·y
b??fo?on?r?
noun
1.
behavior that is ridiculous but amusing.

wow you saw buffoonery in a comedy and it hurt your feelings??:lol:

If its obvious then you should be able to enumerate it right. describe it, pinpoint exactly what you find so harmful..otherwise your just talking shit and making generalized assertions.

 

[Soulthinker]

You hit that on the head MStar. YouTube has brought a dimension that Oscar Mischaux has not dreamed in the early part of the 20th Century. There is just more byching than making a product that can make more Black eyes want to see.

 

[Mighty Quinn]

buf·foon (b-fn)
n.
1. A clown; a jester: a court buffoon.
2. A person given to clowning and joking.
3. A ludicrous or bumbling person; a fool.

buf·foon·er·y
b??fo?on?r?
noun
1.
behavior that is ridiculous but amusing.

wow you saw buffoonery in a comedy and it hurt your feelings??:lol:

If its obvious then you should be able to enumerate it right. describe it, pinpoint exactly what you find so harmful..otherwise your just talking shit and making generalized assertions.

Got an entry for coonery?

I'm with Spike here: “I think there's alot of stuff out today that is coonery and buffoonery. I see ads for Meet the Browns and House of Payne and I'm scratching my head [...] The image is troubling and hearkens back to Amos and Andy."

Ditto. Like I said, I'm not some vociferous anti-Tyler Perry kind of guy, I just know a minstrel show when I see one.

 

[hellified]

Got an entry for coonery?

I'm with Spike here: “I think there's alot of stuff out today that is coonery and buffoonery. I see ads for Meet the Browns and House of Payne and I'm scratching my head [...] The image is troubling and hearkens back to Amos and Andy."

Ditto. Like I said, I'm not some vociferous anti-Tyler Perry kind of guy, I just know a minstrel show when I see one.

have you ever actually watched the paynes or browns show beyond the commercials??

 

[hellified]

well? people keep quoting spike and saying the same thing but has anyone actually watched any of the shows beyond a few minutes?

 

[Tamstrong]

well? people keep quoting spike and saying the same thing but has anyone actually watched any of the shows beyond a few minutes?

Yes, and the shows suck.

 

[hellified]

Yes, and the shows suck.

no doubt but the question is whats so harmful about it to the black community I notice people avoid the question when asked to give specifics hell even spike lee didn't really give any specifics beyond the images...what images??

 

[Tamstrong]

no doubt but the question is whats so harmful about it to the black community I notice people avoid the question when asked to give specifics hell even spike lee didn't really give any specifics beyond the images...what images??

Sigh. How many times do you expect people to answer a question they've already clearly answered (not just in this thread, but others as well)? Just because you don't acknowledge, understand, accept, or agree with the answers provided doesn't mean anyone is "avoiding the question". Why are you taking it so personally that others don't share your opinion of Tyler Perry and his work's influence? Why does it bother you so much that you feel the need to argue about it? Let it go, man. The horse is dead, so there's no point to continue trying to ride the damn thing.

 

[pettyofficerj]

Now that was hellified

 

[hellified]

Sigh. How many times do you expect people to answer a question they've already clearly answered (not just in this thread, but others as well)? Just because you don't acknowledge, understand, accept, or agree with the answers provided doesn't mean anyone is "avoiding the question". Why are you taking it so personally that others don't share your opinion of Tyler Perry and his work's influence? Why does it bother you so much that you feel the need to argue about it? Let it go, man. The horse is dead, so there's no point to continue trying to ride the damn thing.

mainly because everytime a film comes out we hear the same complaints, bitching and moaning and even YOU can't explain how its harmful affects to the black community beyond it sucks and considering you're a white person I would think you would have a unique perspective on how his films make ALL BLACKS look bad. So far I've only heard from black people (projecting) about how his films essentially makes us all look bad and perpetuates images and thats pretty much it. So if you have any opinions as a white person looking at the movies and shows and how it reflects poorly on the black community I would be VERY interested in seeing it. Do YOU think Tyler Perry shows reflects poorly on the black community?

 

[medullaslashin]

I think maybe some ppl resent perry because he brings junk food to a community that needs real nourishment

Plus his stuff isn't even redeemed by cleverness, or interesting characters, whatever

Admittedly I've never sat through a tyler perry anything, so I'm judging just based on commercials I've seen. But as I understand it, his stuff is widely panned for real pedestrian quality

So he's not even a good example, on top of it all.

Plus (let me get analytical and sociological for a second) mostly guys don't like him because he's coming from the pointless do-nothing "christian" angle. That's like a separate culture for most black men, in fact I daresay it's the other side of a cultural rift in the black community. A lot of black guys are either dismissive or even judgmental of the black church, with its preachers with bodyguards (and their often scandalous life styles), its blondie blue jeezus, etc. etc. yet, the other half of our disintegrating culture - black women - are all running around calling themselves "christians". Cultural rift.

So tyler perry sorta falls on the female/christian side of this cultural rift. Most black men are on the male/ (fill in the blank) side.

Indeed, his rise came at a time when black folk were under the pressure of the crack epidemic and a right-wing govt, so he sorta represents the solution that society would like black men to be (the nonthreatening christian) -and- what the "early adapters" :mrgreen: (black women)would like us to be (the jeezus worshipping "good man"). :mrgreen: Most black men are skeptical, and aren't intterested in being either of those

...So all in all, most black men just aren't buying what Perry's selling and he's not even an example to be particularly proud of. Even his success isn't a particularly good sign if the quality is base like that

So that's my take on black men not liking tyler perry.

tldr: It could be just a gender thing. Should black men like stupid romance novels? Should black men like "scandal"? That kinda thing. :mrgreen:

 

[hellified]

I think maybe some ppl resent perry because he brings junk food to a community that needs real nourishment

Plus his stuff isn't even redeemed by cleverness, or interesting characters, whatever

Admittedly I've never sat through a tyler perry anything, so I'm judging just based on commercials I've seen. But as I understand it, his stuff is widely panned for real pedestrian quality

So he's not even a good example, on top of it all.

Plus (let me get analytical and sociological for a second) mostly guys don't like him because he's coming from the pointless do-nothing "christian" angle. That's like a separate culture for most black men, in fact I daresay it's the other side of a cultural rift in the black community. A lot of black guys are either dismissive or even judgmental of the black church, with its preachers with bodyguards (and their often scandalous life styles), its blondie blue jeezus, etc. etc. yet, the other half of our disintegrating culture - black women - are all running around calling themselves "christians". Cultural rift.

So tyler perry sorta falls on the female/christian side of this cultural rift. Most black men are on the male/ (fill in the blank) side.

Indeed, his rise came at a time when black folk were under the pressure of the crack epidemic and a right-wing govt, so he sorta represents the solution that society would like black men to be (the nonthreatening christian) -and- what the "early adapters" :mrgreen: (black women)would like us to be (the jeezus worshipping "good man"). :mrgreen: Most black men are skeptical, and aren't intterested in being either of those

...So all in all, most black men just aren't buying what Perry's selling and he's not even an example to be particularly proud of. Even his success isn't a particularly good sign if the quality is base like that

So that's my take on black men not liking tyler perry.

tldr: It could be just a gender thing. Should black men like stupid romance novels? Should black men like "scandal"? That kinda thing. :mrgreen:

nice breakdown but heres the thing I've observed. All the things that heads are saying about Perry's movies particularly the affects are the same things they rejected when it was said about hip hop and music videos. Those same charges or very similar charges were leveled against rap particularly gangster/hardcore rap of the 90s and even today most vocally by the church and a good number of those men and women deny that influence. To his credit of being consistent Spike did speak out about back then and even today but its not picked up as much if at all by black men as his criticism of Perry. In fact it was incredible to see the schism erupt when he publicly criticized Perry's movies and use the words coonery buffoonery and within a couple of days those words were all over social media and news media and two camps arose in the black community.

I've never heard the junk food analogy and its negative affects repeatedly used on rap music to the same degree or frequency by those critical of Perry work. In other words these people deny or downplay the possibility of negative effects of bad creative works when its something they like but then become analytical and sociological experts when it comes to something they don't like and can explain how it affects the community and it should be stopped or the people who do enjoy it are just being hustled. Both sides are guilty of this.

My position is if its harmful in one area then its harmful in all or if it doesn't have an affect in one then it doesn't anywhere else. And if there's going to be this concerted effort to inflate Perry's negatives then any positives should be inflated to the same degree.