Vanity Fair Cover Causing a Stir

[kenny_g]

The difference between past issues and today is there's a black president now, there shouldn't be such pressure to be "diverse" since the top guy in the free world is now a brother and politically correct multiculturalism is sweeping the land.

We love white women on this board, I'm struggling to see the issue with this cover.

Can't wait for my copy to arrive in the mail

A black president will never change a racist and prejudice mind because
they never wanted it in the first place. A black president has proven to
inspire everyday folks, not rich folks, hollywood folks because the rich and hollywood has power and in a lot of instinces when someone has power
they tend not to listen to anyone but themselves. The president is black, but you know what the producer of "the bachelor" is white and he still says no to a having a black bachelor.(just an example btw.)

 

[karmacoma.]

A black president will never change a racist and prejudice mind because
they never wanted it in the first place. A black president has proven to
inspire everyday folks, not rich folks, hollywood folks because the rich and hollywood has power and in a lot of instinces when someone has power
they tend not to listen to anyone but themselves. The president is black, but you know what the producer of "the bachelor" is white and he still says no to a having a black bachelor.(just an example btw.)

Good points, but I guess I'm tired of being "outraged" on a daily basis with some PC nonsense. Being black is exhausting, I'm supposed to be mad at every little thing. For example, who gives a shit if there hasn't been a black "Bachelor"? I wouldn't watch it even if there was one. I mean really, who cares? Would it uplift the race? Does it pay my bills? Am I getting laid from it? The answer's no, so I don't care.

The VF people probably knew their all-white cover would cause controversy and lo and behold, we're talking about it like good sheep.

 

[Espy]

Good points, but I guess I'm tired of being "outraged" on a daily basis with some PC nonsense. Being black is exhausting, I'm supposed to be mad at every little thing. For example, who gives a shit if there hasn't been a black "Bachelor"? I wouldn't watch it even if there was one. I mean really, who cares? Would it uplift the race? Does it pay my bills? Am I getting laid from it? The answer's no, so I don't care.

The VF people probably knew their all-white cover would cause controversy and lo and behold, we're talking about it like good sheep.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to karmacoma. again."

You know it's just odd how often I agree with you. In order to be concerned with political correctness, I think you have to be concerned about what everyone else thinks... and I'm just really not. In reality, there's nothing that a 'fashion' magazine is going to say or do that's going to affect anyone's life on a deep level. Controversy sells more than PC, and as long as that's the case they're gonna run with that.

 

[lippy]

Of course they're not going to put "Whites only". That would be racist, but that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't racist undertones like it's been displayed here. There's a double standard because of inequality. If there weren't any inequities, like POJ said, there wouldn't be a need for Ebony and Jet etc. Black folks are forced to start their own things cause they AREN'T included.

so ebony and jet are racist magazines that blacks put on the stands:idea:


Young Hollywood does include people of color. Take Zoe Saldana. Although, she's been in the game for a while, she's really on the come up now. They could've included her or Freida Pinto or someone else who's hot right now besides all these White girls. I think it doesn't paint a broad perspective of Hollywood, it only covers "White" (majority) Hollywood. Just cause the ratio isn't equal in numbers isn't fair to say, cause Black people make up like 13% (not sure of the exact percentage) of America.

hollywood isn't going to get any broader than it already is...especially in the younger generation...there are just not enough young black women in the business...so you could pick "one" out of the two you named...i read vanity fair and i like the cover...now if we want to talk about magazine covers...please please tell me WHY instyle magazine would put whitney houston on their jan issue cover...of all the beautiful black women to choose from WHY her...

 

[LA]

I didn't see a problem with it.

It was a rather accurate depiction of "young hot hollywood", was it not?

 

[lippy]

She is one who I think is glaringly absent. So even if they excluded Precious because she doesn't fit their idea of beauty/thiness there are others who seem to be missing. I don't think they chose on talent alone this year.

Some previous years "New Hollywood" pics from their mag:

i am so glad you posted these because my first question is, who are some of these people? they didn't all make it in the industry...one hit wonders...

 

[Inner Beauty]

so ebony and jet are racist magazines that blacks put on the stands

I don't see it that way. Like I said, they're forced to do their own thing cause they aren't included.

hollywood isn't going to get any broader than it already...especially in the younger generation...there are just not enough young black women in the business...so you could pick "one" out of the two you named...i read vanity fair and i like the cover...now if we want to talk about magazine covers...please please tell me WHY instyle magazine would put whitney houston on their jan issue cover...of all the beautiful black women to choose from WHY her...

With that said, then they should have some people of color included. There may not be enough as a whole, but they are out there and they deserve the same recognition as the White ones. Taraji P. Henson is another actress that comes to mind.

I don't know why they chose Whitney, maybe cause she's made her comeback and debut.

I'm into diversity and fairness and like to see that displayed in entertainment.

 

[lippy]

Well I wouldnt say double standard because the top reason of ebony magazine and others alike is all apart of black culture and black pride.
And that goes the same for other ethnic groups. Hollywood made the decision to try and represent america as not being very diverse, black sitcoms has featured more IR coupling than white, black shows like The Wire and NY Undercover if you remember that was more diverse than any
other dramas on t.v. but was recognized more by the NACCP IMAGE awards than the Emmys. The Image awards is a celebration of achievements by people of color, The Emmys is suppose to be for everybody, diverse but it's not. So there really isnt a double standard, but more of black culture that is diverse.

I dont know where you would get it that it would be a male/female
thing I have seen where they have spotlighted young males of hollywood
and pretty much the same outcome. I get what you mean with the the music industry but understand blacks in the music industry are more outspoken and can reach folks with their voice so it has been a place where blacks put up a stronger fight to racism, not saying blacks in hollywood dont, but blacks dominate the music industry because they are independent and musical artist have all the weapons (studios, albums, lyrics, ect.) to display and really put something powerful out there... they have a voice and independence so the success in the music industry is more easy to attain than in hollywood.

all i am going to say to this is when whites segregate themselves out with phrases like white culture and white pride they are usually wearing those little white robes and carrying burning crosses...hmmm, i think we call that racism

 

[LA]

all i am going to say to this is when whites segregate themselves out with phrases like white culture and white pride they are usually wearing those little white robes and carrying burning crosses...hmmm, i think we call that racism

there's a very fine line between being proud of being white and being a white supremacist.

often times they go hand-in-hand.

 

[lippy]

I don't see it that way. Like I said, they're forced to do their own thing cause they aren't included.



With that said, then they should have some people of color included. There may not be enough as a whole, but they are out there and they deserve the same recognition as the White ones. Taraji P. Henson is another actress that comes to mind.

I don't know why they chose Whitney, maybe cause she's made her comeback and debut.

I'm into diversity and fairness and like to see that displayed in entertainment.

it's not going to happen...how ever you slice it and dice it...the power is yours to pick and choose which magazines you read...which channels on television you view...what movies you buy tickets to and whose music you purchase...the consumer spending paves the road...so there is another thread i will have to try to find for you that talks about blacks deposable income in the usa and what they spend their money on...

how many bw do you think buy tickets to see a movie in a theater vs. ww...if 13% of the population is black and 50% are women...the buying power is not there to produce black leading women in the usa...black men have however crossed this barrier and broken into hollywood...i love watching bm on television and in movies...do i care if there is a black bachelor? no, pure and utter nonsense...unless it was interracial and then i would be camped out watching it unfold:tonqe:

 

[lippy]

there's a very fine line between being proud of being white and being a white supremacist.

often times they go hand-in-hand.

i would rather be proud of who i am and the person i am becoming than the color of my skin...i am so much more than white

 

[Inner Beauty]

it's not going to happen...how ever you slice it and dice it...the power is yours to pick and choose which magazines you read...which channels on television you view...what movies you buy tickets to and whose music you purchase...the consumer spending paves the road...so there is another thread i will have to try to find for you that talks about blacks deposable income in the usa and what they spend their money on...

You're right, I can't control anyone but myself. In which I do, but there is power in the masses and if there was more of an outcry from people like me, diversity would be more welcomed.

This isn't about how Blacks spend their money, this is about equality and a fair representation.

how many bw do you think buy tickets to see a movie in a theater vs. ww...if 13% of the population is black and 50% are women...the buying power is not there to produce black leading women in the usa...black men have however crossed this barrier and broken into hollywood...i love watching bm on television and in movies...do i care if there is a black bachelor? no, pure and utter nonsense...unless it was interracial and then i would be camped out watching it unfold:tonqe:

There may not be an equal footing for spending, but there could never be when the numbers for the population aren't equal. You could have some Black leading women besides Halle Berry (like Sanaa Latham, Nia Long, Gabrielle Union and the like), but Hollywood doesn't give the same opportunities as they do the White actresses. If you ever watch or read their interviews, you'd see that. It's not fair all around. It's a toss up, cause they're women and this is a male-dominated world. Then BW are more accepted in other areas, whereas BM aren't.

Thandie Newton is also a leading woman, but then she's light skinned and that brings in some other issues. Taraji might have a chance in the future.

I'd love an IR Bachelor...lol

 

[Soulthinker]

Which one of those actresses has a nice booty? If not it is really not diverse. Oh I forgot where are the Latina actresses?

 

[karmacoma.]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to karmacoma. again."

You know it's just odd how often I agree with you. In order to be concerned with political correctness, I think you have to be concerned about what everyone else thinks... and I'm just really not. In reality, there's nothing that a 'fashion' magazine is going to say or do that's going to affect anyone's life on a deep level. Controversy sells more than PC, and as long as that's the case they're gonna run with that.

I used to get tweets from Black Informant so I could stay up on my black news. Everyday it was some new outrage where I was supposed to get mad at white people. This was in the heat of the whole Skip Gates thing last summer. Then BW aren't represented in this or that. Then months later it was Harry Reid, blah blah blah. I finally had to unfollow them, being black got too exhausting.

As for this VF cover, sure it's plenty of BW they could have put on it. Actual pretty ones like Zoe Saldana or Taraji P. Henson as opposed to Gabby Sidibe, but they chose not to. But is this a real controversy? All I see are a few blog comments. Get a life, people.

 

[SmoothDaddy101]

I used to get tweets from Black Informant so I could stay up on my black news. Everyday it was some new outrage where I was supposed to get mad at white people. This was in the heat of the whole Skip Gates thing last summer. Then BW aren't represented in this or that. Then months later it was Harry Reid, blah blah blah. I finally had to unfollow them, being black got too exhausting.

As for this VF cover, sure it's plenty of BW they could have put on it. Actual pretty ones like Zoe Saldana or Taraji P. Henson as opposed to Gabby Sidibe, but they chose not to. But is this a real controversy? All I see are a few blog comments. Get a life, people.

Putting Gabby on the cover would have made the egg-head Black intellectuals and psychologists happy.

 

[karmacoma.]

Putting Gabby on the cover would have made the egg-head Black intellectuals and psychologists happy.

Not to mention the liberal white people and BW who insist she's pretty.

 

[SmoothDaddy101]

Not to mention the liberal white people and BW who insist she's pretty.

The thing is that Hollywood and the entertainment industry in general represents "fantasy": gorgeous women and swooning pretty boys. The above mentioned people don't understand that. Yes it's kinda messed up, but that's the way it works.

 

[karmacoma.]

The thing is that Hollywood and the entertainment industry in general represents "fantasy": gorgeous women and swooning pretty boys. The above mentioned people don't understand that. Yes it's kinda messed up, but that's the way it works.

What do you bet Gabby gets an Oscar? They've been dying to give one to a fat black woman ever since Hattie McDaniel for "Gone With The Wind." They gave one to Jennifer Hudson by the same logic, but she's actually attractive. If not Gabby, then Mo'nique, she's a shoo-in. They stacked the deck this year.

 

[Espy]

What do you bet Gabby gets an Oscar? They've been dying to give one to a fat black woman ever since Hattie McDaniel for "Gone With The Wind." They gave one to Jennifer Hudson by the same logic, but she's actually attractive. If not Gabby, then Mo'nique, she's a shoo-in. They stacked the deck this year.

You seriously just amuse the hell outta me on a far too regular basis Karma!

 

[Hypestyle]

i noticed this when Entertainment Tonight did a piece on it.. i'm not shocked... but i also don't buy the magazine..