White supremacists Versus Thor and Idris Elba

[Kushton Slater]

Fam what are you talking about everyone in Airbender was Asian. It took place in China. What I find funniest of all is that we're on a site that promotes racial equality yet some of you can't get past race in a FICTIONAL story. Its not like they're trying to make Kennedy black smdh lol.

If you clicked that link I posted you would see that the heroes in the movie were casted as white and the bad guy was casted as asian, In the cartoon the heroes are asian and the bad guy was white. Unless they changed the casting at the last minute the link I posted should be accurate of the cast they used (I never watched the movie so I dont know if they kept the original cast or not).....

Yes its a fictional story, if the director wants to make his own interpretation of the story cool. To me personally I feel like its a mockery of the original story, everybody knows that the norse gods and the nordic people who believed in those things were white.

If we were making a movie about some African mythology from West Africa wouldnt it be inaccurate to put a white person in the movie. I love diversity in movies (and in real life), but there are times where diversity should be a no go (and this is one of those times).

 

[Max Mosley]

Whites have been cast in "ethnic" roles since the beginning of movie making. So this role in Thor is the straw that broke the camle's back? :lol:

I hate the fact that these people even get validity.

 

[The Dark King]

Whites have been cast in "ethnic" roles since the beginning of movie making. So this role in Thor is the straw that broke the camle's back? :lol:

I hate the fact that these people even get validity.

I'm glad someone else said it.

 

[The Dark King]

If you clicked that link I posted you would see that the heroes in the movie were casted as white and the bad guy was casted as asian, In the cartoon the heroes are asian and the bad guy was white. Unless they changed the casting at the last minute the link I posted should be accurate of the cast they used (I never watched the movie so I dont know if they kept the original cast or not).....

Yes its a fictional story, if the director wants to make his own interpretation of the story cool. To me personally I feel like its a mockery of the original story, everybody knows that the norse gods and the nordic people who believed in those things were white.

If we were making a movie about some African mythology from West Africa wouldnt it be inaccurate to put a white person in the movie. I love diversity in movies (and in real life), but there are times where diversity should be a no go (and this is one of those times).

First of all I use to watch the cartoon and every single character was Chinese.

Secondly if there were a story about African Gods(don't hold your breath because the status quo can't stand us being heroes) there were would be substitutions made to make movie goers feel more connected with characters because a large portion of this country can't get pass race as seen in this thread.
It's a story plain and simple not to mention is all made up. It's another good vs evil action flick that will be forgettable as the last one.
And here's something to ponder just because the people of that area believe their Gods to be white doesn't mean a re-telling of the story through the eyes of Stan Lee should be.

Again I wish people could just be entertained and shut the fuck up.

 

[MissWacy]

aint these the same people who cry about free expression etc?

 

[Morning Star]

This is biggest load of crap of all. There's a lot more diversity in this movie regarding the cast. For some reason, they've overlooked a Japanese dude, some British actors who lack Norwegian ancestry of any kind, and Americans who have NO Norwegian ancestry at all. So for them to concentrate so much on the phenotype of one Afro-Brit baffles me.

According to their website, they value individualism over collectivism (in which they lump "the left" in), when ironically, they lumped all these other actors in one collective category. Shameful indeed.

 

[The Dark King]

This is biggest load of crap of all. There's a lot more diversity in this movie regarding the cast. For some reason, they've overlooked a Japanese dude, some British actors who lack Norwegian ancestry of any kind, and Americans who have NO Norwegian ancestry at all. So for them to concentrate so much on the phenotype of one Afro-Brit baffles me.

According to their website, they value individualism over collectivism (in which they lump "the left" in), when ironically, they lumped all these other actors in one collective category. Shameful indeed.

Wow another dude who gets it. Thank you for posting sir.

 

[Morning Star]

Wow another dude who gets it. Thank you for posting sir.

Well, it's the truth. Seems like they are more fixated on phenotypes as opposed to ethnic heritages altogether. And plus, when reading the comic books, some of the Norse Gods didn't even LOOK as though they are seen through the eyes of Norwegian manifestations. Plus, this is a fiction story, you need to suspend disbelief.

 

[The Dark King]

Well, it's the truth. Seems like they are more fixated on phenotypes as opposed to ethnic heritages altogether. And plus, when reading the comic books, some of the Norse Gods didn't even LOOK as though they are seen through the eyes of Norwegian manifestations. Plus, this is a fiction story, you need to suspend disbelief.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say this entire thread.

 

[Kushton Slater]

First of all I use to watch the cartoon and every single character was Chinese.

Secondly if there were a story about African Gods(don't hold your breath because the status quo can't stand us being heroes) there were would be substitutions made to make movie goers feel more connected with characters because a large portion of this country can't get pass race as seen in this thread.
It's a story plain and simple not to mention is all made up. It's another good vs evil action flick that will be forgettable as the last one.
And here's something to ponder just because the people of that area believe their Gods to be white doesn't mean a re-telling of the story through the eyes of Stan Lee should be.

Again I wish people could just be entertained and shut the fuck up.

It is what it is fam... I did state earlier though how I thought it was hypocritical how whites dont bitch when one of them plays a character that was intended to be non white. But they bitch when a non white plays a character that was intended to be non white. I still stand by my view that when a story is based around a certain culture/race the characters should stay within that culture/race. Im not the only one who agrees with that either look at the poll.

 

[Morning Star]

It is what it is fam... I did state earlier though how I thought it was hypocritical how whites dont bitch when one of them plays a character that was intended to be non white. But they bitch when a non white plays a character that was intended to be non white. I still stand by my view that when a story is based around a certain culture/race the characters should stay within that culture/race. Im not the only one who agrees with that either look at the poll.

I CAN understand your view point regarding sticking with cultures. But there is one major problem: the actors themselves. Plus, given that this is an AMERICAN movie based on an American based comic book series, logic have to be put to the side. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and other people involved in the conception of Thor have given the actors the green light, which means, they are perfectly fond of it altogether.

Now, if this was a Norwegian based comic book series which started from Norway, with characters depicted that way and they made a movie from it with all Norwegian actors, then your logic could be applied.

Finally, we have to suspend disbelief. Comics books have their base audience, but even their characters have diverged from their normal roles. From zombies, to vampires, and even there were some comic books which catered to the ethnic audiences per se. The fact of the matter is that while many of the characters are iconic based on who these people are...we cannot ignore the fact that ideas can be tinkered with and in the case of the casting...as long as they can deliver a strong performance, their ethnic identity should be of no issue.

 

[xoxo]

Comics books have their base audience, but even their characters have diverged from their normal roles. From zombies, to vampires, and even there were some comic books which catered to the ethnic audiences per se. The fact of the matter is that while many of the characters are iconic based on who these people are...we cannot ignore the fact that ideas can be tinkered with and in the case of the casting...as long as they can deliver a strong performance, their ethnic identity should be of no issue.

Not a fan of Thor, but as a fan of book and comics that have been adapted into movies that have been horrible; decisions that deviate too far from the story world are often signs of a bad movie.

And what kills me most is people are bitching over a minor character its not even like its Loki or Odin or eve Thor himself.

And if Thor or Odin (batman, superman, spiderman....) were played by a Black man, using your reasoning, you wouldn't have a problem with it. If these people had consistent reasoning I don't see why they would particularize according to the importance of the character. Of course they are not consistent, they are racist, but you and others are arguing and conflating what seems like different subjects to me: The unimportance of accuracy of myths in movies in general, and the racial misrepresentation of figures by Europeans using Jesus as an example.

Either you should feel it doesn't matter from a story basis of being just “the movies” (a marvel comic), or feel because european art has misrepresented racial historically depicted subjects (real or not) that it doesn't matter or shouldn't be a problem when a historically depicted white subject is depicted as black. To me these are different issues and if you believe in artistic story/integrity at all, previous and current white hypocrisy shouldn't matter.

And yes, Heimdall, is a historically depicted white subject and given the cultural dynamic of the last 2,000 years, so is Jesus. Whether it's wrong that the biblical depiction of christ (along with the early black paintings and sculptures of him) has been “whitewashed”, or the modern art of cinema has done the like: owes to the fact whites created motion pictures and europeans have been the arbiters of Christian thought.

If this and other white depicted roles given to Black actors are a recompense or as tony soprano said: every good movie needs a strong black actor, They needed someone to fill a meaningful role and they want the movie to give love to us in a way the comics didn't is one thing, but along the lines of what Flying Geek said, I think just because whites have a history of fudging doesn't mean that we should find the same thing acceptable when a historically white character is removed.

If it's insignificant because it's a marvel comic that's another thing, but I'll say again after seeing many bad comic adaptations, that changing the story is often a sign that the movie will not be good. Excuse me while I go search for other movies on norse mythology.....and see whats been done previously......

What did you guys think of Beowulf?

 

[xoxo]

Anyone seen the BBC show Merlin? Guinevere is Black and a servant. There are other Black folks just walking around like they are native to the region, needless to say the show is awful. Sticking to as many details is usually, but not always a good sign that the production will be done well. Some people don't care, which is why the shows Hercules and Xena were so popular.

 

[flaminghetero]

aint these the same people who cry about free expression etc?

Only for them.

 

[Morning Star]

Not a fan of Thor, but as a fan of book and comics that have been adapted into movies that have been horrible; decisions that deviate too far from the story world are often signs of a bad movie.



And if Thor or Odin (batman, superman, spiderman....) were played by a Black man, using your reasoning, you wouldn't have a problem with it. If these people had consistent reasoning I don't see why they would particularize according to the importance of the character. Of course they are not consistent, they are racist, but you and others are arguing and conflating what seems like different subjects to me: The unimportance of accuracy of myths in movies in general, and the racial misrepresentation of figures by Europeans using Jesus as an example.

Either you should feel it doesn't matter from a story basis of being just “the movies” (a marvel comic), or feel because european art has misrepresented racial historically depicted subjects (real or not) that it doesn't matter or shouldn't be a problem when a historically depicted white subject is depicted as black. To me these are different issues and if you believe in artistic story/integrity at all, previous and current white hypocrisy shouldn't matter.

And yes, Heimdall, is a historically depicted white subject and given the cultural dynamic of the last 2,000 years, so is Jesus. Whether it's wrong that the biblical depiction of christ (along with the early black paintings and sculptures of him) has been “whitewashed”, or the modern art of cinema has done the like: owes to the fact whites created motion pictures and europeans have been the arbiters of Christian thought.

If this and other white depicted roles given to Black actors are a recompense or as tony soprano said: every good movie needs a strong black actor, They needed someone to fill a meaningful role and they want the movie to give love to us in a way the comics didn't is one thing, but along the lines of what Flying Geek said, I think just because whites have a history of fudging doesn't mean that we should find the same thing acceptable when a historically white character is removed.

If it's insignificant because it's a marvel comic that's another thing, but I'll say again after seeing many bad comic adaptations, that changing the story is often a sign that the movie will not be good. Excuse me while I go search for other movies on norse mythology.....and see whats been done previously......

What did you guys think of Beowulf?

I'm not a fan of any superhero comic books or characters at all, but I do recognize that movie adaptations need some sense of consistency, which you are correct. However, when it comes movie adaptations, compressing elements of the comics to keep true is hard. The Spider-Man movies weren't too consistent since, after all...it's a comic made into a movie. Things were either ignored, taken out, or even added in to fit a two hour movie. As long as the art direction, cinematography, the acting were well done, it shouldn't matter much on how is in charge.

And Beowulf was a different beast altogether. It's a CGi movie and a damn good one at that. Even if Beowulf had a darker hue or any of the characters had a darker hue, as long as they perform according to the original story, then it would be good. It's when we see some characters look too out of place and would easily turn into another bad "Epic Movie" parody.

 

[xoxo]

And Beowulf was a different beast altogether. It's a CGi movie and a damn good one at that.

lol a different beast, but didn't you smirk when Grendels mother had on high heels?

 

[Morning Star]

lol a different beast, but didn't you smirk when Grendels mother had on high heels?

Hahaha, not really...I was paying attention to the story.

 

[MissWacy]

Only for them.

it seems that way, the hypocrites, cryin about double standards and lack of freedom of expression and act like they dont complain, yet they do when they see something they dont like, its what makes me laugh about these supremacists, even more hillariois is there is a boycott thor group on facebook where someone called the film "whiteaphobic" LOL im sorry but these people need some sort of help

 

[flaminghetero]

it seems that way, the hypocrites, cryin about double standards and lack of freedom of expression and act like they dont complain, yet they do when they see something they dont like, its what makes me laugh about these supremacists, even more hillariois is there is a boycott thor group on facebook where someone called the film "whiteaphobic" LOL im sorry but these people need some sort of help

They're some whimpy,gutless mofos.

 

[The Dark King]

Not a fan of Thor, but as a fan of book and comics that have been adapted into movies that have been horrible; decisions that deviate too far from the story world are often signs of a bad movie.



And if Thor or Odin (batman, superman, spiderman....) were played by a Black man, using your reasoning, you wouldn't have a problem with it. If these people had consistent reasoning I don't see why they would particularize according to the importance of the character. Of course they are not consistent, they are racist, but you and others are arguing and conflating what seems like different subjects to me: The unimportance of accuracy of myths in movies in general, and the racial misrepresentation of figures by Europeans using Jesus as an example.

Either you should feel it doesn't matter from a story basis of being just “the movies” (a marvel comic), or feel because european art has misrepresented racial historically depicted subjects (real or not) that it doesn't matter or shouldn't be a problem when a historically depicted white subject is depicted as black. To me these are different issues and if you believe in artistic story/integrity at all, previous and current white hypocrisy shouldn't matter.

And yes, Heimdall, is a historically depicted white subject and given the cultural dynamic of the last 2,000 years, so is Jesus. Whether it's wrong that the biblical depiction of christ (along with the early black paintings and sculptures of him) has been “whitewashed”, or the modern art of cinema has done the like: owes to the fact whites created motion pictures and europeans have been the arbiters of Christian thought.

If this and other white depicted roles given to Black actors are a recompense or as tony soprano said: every good movie needs a strong black actor, They needed someone to fill a meaningful role and they want the movie to give love to us in a way the comics didn't is one thing, but along the lines of what Flying Geek said, I think just because whites have a history of fudging doesn't mean that we should find the same thing acceptable when a historically white character is removed.

If it's insignificant because it's a marvel comic that's another thing, but I'll say again after seeing many bad comic adaptations, that changing the story is often a sign that the movie will not be good. Excuse me while I go search for other movies on norse mythology.....and see whats been done previously......

What did you guys think of Beowulf?

You pointed out main characters I was talking about supporting characters that don't drive the story. And again take notic its a marvel adaptation not a depiction of the actual myth.

I actually enjoy Merlin a lot. I'm sad that its counter part Legend of the Seeker got cancelled.
Btw during the time of Arthur it wasn't far fetched to see people of African decent walking around the only weird thing was they were treated like regular English citizens. But then again its based on fantasy so I'm not too focused on the details that don't drive the story. Arhtur falling in love with a bw is inconsequential her being a servant is totally different from what I remember reading as a kid. I seriously don't get why the race thing is so huge with you guys as long as the story is upheld.