P.T.S.S. Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome

[goodlove]

Notice I don't pick on people that didn't go to school just dummies like you that wasted it.

So you went from I got everest to me wasting it. Lol

Moving the lines. That's what white supremist do.

 

[K]

Yeah as in the articles blacks use at the same rate and more than likely sell at the sane rate but aren't getting busted like blacks.

You would have to attribute things to what is called learned helplessness. But I would just say people no matter what demographic do crimes.

Hell look at wall street and the prez candidates. Wall street is known for getting hookers and drugs but rarely hit u . Prez candidates admitted for using drugs so there you go.

Lastly FBI crime stats say blacks and White commit crimes at the same rate

That rate is also based on who's getting caught. I really think it's much higher for whites than what we know. I think there is all sorts of white collar crime going on that gets washed over.

Learned helplessness is definitely a huge factor. This is a silly reference and it's just a movie but it makes me think of that movie Trading Places with Eddie Murphy. It's based on the whole nature vs nurture argument that has been going on forever...tons of different studies. There's really a lot to it. Through my work, education, and personal experiences I've dealt with the welfare system and it's amazing how much people will go through to get the benefits. It takes a huge amount of time, energy, and effort which makes me agree with the idea of if they were able to focus all that in a better direction they would do so much better. But the system isn't set up that way. And when there has been efforts to shift things that have even proven to be successful they don't go anywhere and end up getting dropped.

 

[goodlove]

That rate is also based on who's getting caught. I really think it's much higher for whites than what we know. I think there is all sorts of white collar crime going on that gets washed over.

Learned helplessness is definitely a huge factor. This is a silly reference and it's just a movie but it makes me think of that movie Trading Places with Eddie Murphy. It's based on the whole nature vs nurture argument that has been going on forever...tons of different studies. There's really a lot to it. Through my work, education, and personal experiences I've dealt with the welfare system and it's amazing how much people will go through to get the benefits. It takes a huge amount of time, energy, and effort which makes me agree with the idea of if they were able to focus all that in a better direction they would do so much better. But the system isn't set up that way. And when there has been efforts to shift things that have even proven to be successful they don't go anywhere and end up getting dropped.

I agree. I think if people would be family centered then it could get better. Meaning families live together until you really can get on their feet. I've seen two families live together (old family homes). Then pass the home down to the next generation . if people did things similar to that it would help. Its just ruff to do it

 

[The Dark King]

What I said was they can't find jobs in a town with few low paying jobs but they're resourceful enough to find drugs to sell. I lived in a small all-white town, so all the kids had the same opportunities to find jobs. It wasn't a matter of the white kid getting a job over the black kid because he's white and his dad's a doctor. Some chose to find jobs, some didn't. They chose not to work. So in an all-black community, why do kids resort to selling drugs rather than finding a legal hustle? It's a legitimate question. But you just want to throw white privilege bullshit at me and say "she doesn't get it." rather than answer the question with a thoughtful explanation.

Resourceful enough to find drugs to sell? You think they have to look? They aren't filling out multiple job applications to be drug dealers. I did answer it with a thoughtful explanation not my fault if you choose to ignore it in favor of holding on to your myopic pov.

 

[The Dark King]

Probably to busy studying to get into Everest.

Lmao

 

[The Dark King]

I absolutely agree. He's giving her the benefit of the doubt I think, because they're friends. To me though, friends should be the first to set each other straight especially when they're being overtly racially insensitive. Just like I have to set you straight every so often when you're completely ass backwards Cause I'm your friend

Lol you crack me up but yes we can disagree and still befriends. I love that.

 

[Ches]

I think this has to do with opportunities and what people see around them.You are saying the kids in your town all had the same opportunities, why do think that some chose to sell drugs and others didn't? I think if kids grow up where it's "normal" for parents/relatives/friends to be dealing then it's a viable option.....especially when it's all around them. Of course there will be those who go a different route but it makes sense that it's more the exception than the rule. Whereas other kids in the same area and economic level make different choices but it could very well be that they had a stronger family foundation, a mentor, someone or something that helped them to see there was other options.


As a side note:
I lived in a rural area for quite a long time and there were kids who got in trouble and kids that didn't...it was very white there. Actually what I noticed is that often it was the kids who were more privileged who were selling drugs. Many of the kids that were getting things handed to them were doing crazy things and it wasn't because of lack of money or opportunities to do legitimate work. It also wasn't because it's what they knew to be normal. I found it really bizarre cause it's like the opposite of what happens with many black kids. But maybe the common thread is lack of parent involvement and guidance but for different reasons.

Thank you. That was a thoughtful answer. Now, if some of the guys could do the same.

The reason I even posed the question is that I've watched many episodes of Beyond Scared Straight. The kids that go through the prison program before they end up there for real. A huge percent of these kids are literally scared onto a better path. They start showing respect to their parent(s), they start doing better in school, they volunteer, they get jobs, they hang out with better kids, they decide to join the ROTC program.... If they could do all those things after the prison program, why didn't they do it before?

 

[Beasty]

So you went from I got everest to me wasting it. Lol

Moving the lines. That's what white supremist do.

Quit embarassing your alumni. Lol

 

[K]

Resourceful enough to find drugs to sell? You think they have to look? They aren't filling out multiple job applications to be drug dealers. I did answer it with a thoughtful explanation not my fault if you choose to ignore it in favor of holding on to your myopic pov.

This is a really good point....it's all around and it's more of a situation of having to go out of their way to NOT get involved in all that. I was talking with a Youth Authority counselor the other day who deals with kinds in gangs and it's much more difficult for many of them to NOT get involved than to get involved.

This also factors into that side note I posted. Often in those white rural areas it is more of a big deal to seek out the drugs. It's more of a situation of having to go against doing the right things and what is "normal". But then look at how high rate is for drug use and addiction.....often just different types of drugs. Legal opioids vs illegal.

 

[goodlove]

Thank you. That was a thoughtful answer. Now, if some of the guys could do the same.

The reason I even posed the question is that I've watched many episodes of Beyond Scared Straight. The kids that go through the prison program before they end up there for real. A huge percent of these kids are literally scared onto a better path. They star showing respect to their parent(s), they start doing better in school, they volunteer, they get jobs, they hang out with better kids, they decide to join the ROTC program.... If they could do all those things after the prison program, why didn't they do it before?

That goes back to mentoring and role models. Also the old saying you know better you do better.

 

[goodlove]

This is a really good point....it's all around and it's more of a situation of having to go out of their way to NOT get involved in all that. I was talking with a Youth Authority counselor the other day who deals with kinds in gangs and it's much more difficult for many of them to NOT get involved than to get involved.

This also factors into that side note I posted. Often in those white rural areas it is more of a big deal to seek out the drugs. It's more of a situation of having to go against doing the right things and what is "normal". But then look at how high rate is for drug use and addiction.....often just different types of drugs. Legal opioids vs illegal.

Yeah new Hampshire is catching hell with heroine right now but the governor is blaming blacks even though only 5% of their population is black and not having anything to do with it.

 

[K]

Thank you. That was a thoughtful answer. Now, if some of the guys could do the same.

The reason I even posed the question is that I've watched many episodes of Beyond Scared Straight. The kids that go through the prison program before they end up there for real. A huge percent of these kids are literally scared onto a better path. They star showing respect to their parent(s), they start doing better in school, they volunteer, they get jobs, they hang out with better kids, they decide to join the ROTC program.... If they could do all those things after the prison program, why didn't they do it before?

I think that's because of the motivations. There are a certain percentage of kids who are going to do the right things no matter how much they face. I think a huge part of that comes from a person caring and showing them other ways, and for some that means putting the fear into them too. I was a good kid from a good area with horrendous things that happened to me. I didn't act out because I was really scared of the consequences. That works for some. Unfortunately though most kids can't grasp the consequences and just see the good stuff. So programs like that work because it's a huge reality check. The inmates are talking to them straight and it's not just an abstract. They are seeing, hearing, feeling it. Kids don't get into gangs because they focus on all the negatives, they get into them because they see the feeling of belonging and all the perceived good things they have no concept of the consequences. They even hear the other guys bragging about jail and prison and see it as a badge of honor and respect in that realm.

If that's all you ever knew and saw and that's what your world is, that's what is normal for you, then that's what you do.

When you know better you do better. For many it takes something to really shake them to their core. They also need to have the support structure. For many it's like an addiction...just like any other.

 

[goodlove]

I think that's because of the motivations. There are a certain percentage of kids who are going to do the right things no matter how much they face. I think a huge part of that comes from a person caring and showing them other ways, and for some that means putting the fear into them too. I was a good kid from a good area with horrendous things that happened to me. I didn't act out because I was really scared of the consequences. That works for some. Unfortunately though most kids can't grasp the consequences and just see the good stuff. So programs like that work because it's a huge reality check. The inmates are talking to them straight and it's not just an abstract they are seeing, hearing, feeling it. Kids don't get into gangs because they focus on all the negatives, they get into them because they see the feeling of belonging and all the perceived good things they have no concept of the consequences. They even hear the other guys bragging about jail and prison and see it as a badge of honor and respect in that realm.

If that's all you ever knew and saw and that's what your world is, that's what is normal for you, then that's what you do.

When you know better you do better. For many it takes something to really shake them to their core. They also need to have the support structure. For many it's like an addiction...just like any other.

So important

 

[RaiderLL]

Don't even try it. You was defending dude and petty called you out. So just stop. Now you are being a hypocrite

Also the fake stats about ww and bm...smh

And her not knowing is hurting you...?

But I love you though

Her not knowing the far reaching aspects of white privilege doesn't hurt me, but people with that mindset have the potential to hurt my children so I tried to educate. I can completely understand why it doesn't sink in for some people so I won't waste my breath endlessly. If it's a conversation that's showing growth and promise, rest assured I'd give it my all. And I assure you, just as I said here, consenting adults can do whatever they'd like in the bedroom without me caring lol. I've said a billion times, you won't catch that word coming out of THIS ww's mouth, but if it gets my neighbor off with his gf...I've got no problem with it. It's not about me "defending" anyone, it's about me defending the right they have to do as they please. If you enjoyed pissing on your gf, I'd defend your right to do that just like I'll defend black-man-joe-blow who likes to hear his little white girl call him the n word. Why do you care so much? If it makes them happy and doesn't hurt or affect you, why do you even care? Honest question for you.

What you saw the people doing and u know who they are inserting shit that didn't fit and you know that come on now.

I didn't see that at all. Sorry GL. I understand what you're doing here, I'm just not in agreement.

 

[Ches]

Resourceful enough to find drugs to sell? You think they have to look? They aren't filling out multiple job applications to be drug dealers. I did answer it with a thoughtful explanation not my fault if you choose to ignore it in favor of holding on to your myopic pov.

This was your "thoughtful" aka "white privilege" answer to my question.

"But for every kid like your son you gotta imagine there are 10 who aren't especially ones who don't have a doctor for a father. All circumstances aren't created equal Ches."

 

[K]

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[Ches]

Her not knowing the far reaching aspects of white privilege

*sigh*

 

[RaiderLL]

*sigh*

Ches I've given you every benefit of the doubt in each of my posts so miss me with your sigh. I've been as polite as possible in conveying that I can appreciate WHY you don't get it, but it is what it is. We all live different lives and I think our differing experiences go a long way in helping (or hindering) our true understanding of white privilege and how it can impact every move in life.

 

[K]

Yeah new Hampshire is catching hell with heroine right now but the governor is blaming blacks even though only 5% of their population is black and not having anything to do with it.

This pisses me off. We have a huge epidemic going on with the legal opioids...it's crazy! but you know....it's a white thing and it's legal. Now there is starting to be a bit of pressure on the docs who are handing it out like candy but then they are just cutting their patients off....guess what they will do next?

 

[Ches]

Ches I've given you every benefit of the doubt in each of my posts so miss me with your sigh. I've been as polite as possible in conveying that I can appreciate WHY you don't get it, but it is what it is. We all live different lives and I think our differing experiences go a long way in helping (or hindering) our true understanding of white privilege and how it can impact every move in life.

Because I seek answers to questions does NOT mean I don't know the far-reaching effects of white privilege. But too often, that's used as an excuse, a cop-out when there may be other explanations. Again, if conversations are only going to go one way when discussing these matters, it's not a dialogue.