Jesse Williams' BET Speech did you catch it?

Must be great to be wanted in massas house #lightskin Privilege

Actor Jesse Williams Is UNDER ATTACK . . . Fans Threaten To ‘BOYCOTT GREY’S ANATOMY’ . . . Unless He’s FIRED For Being ‘ANTI-WHITE’!!!



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K said:
While he may be a "preferred minority with his blue eyes and light skin", that doesn't mean that those who are lighter skinned and light eyes don't get followed around the stores or shot by cops. Those cops who are quick to shoot aren't saying oh well this one is a bit lighter so we aren't going to pull the trigger. If you really think they are, I have several friends who have lost their biracial sons to those bullets very recently who would certainly not agree with you. Granted I may be a bit sensitive to the subject given that I have spent many hours with some of these parents who's children were murdered.

Yes let's keep it 100. Don't you think it's important to acknowledge the reality is this happens to darker and lighter. Don't you think it's important to address the issues and not get into infighting about this hue vs that? Are the issues any less valid if it's coming from someone who's lighter skin with lighter eyes?

I'm asking the questions not to be snide but instead to say, it's easy to sit and rag about how someone who did stand up and say something may not have said it in the perfect spot, in the perfect way, or as the perfect representative...but isn't there something to be said about doing so. I notice there are many more who may fit in those choice positions who are not. It's really easy to pick apart those who take the risk and stand up, but I don't see anyone who's complaining taking the risks to do something about these issues.

The truth is none of us know the answers. If we did, the issues would be solved. It's going to take people stepping up to do things that are outside the norm to figure out what will work.

The level of fear....I get what you are saying. However, the "preferred minorities" have their own issues (from both sides). I just don't know how productive it is to get into the who's got it worse arguments.
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That's like saying there isn't any point to talking about white privilege because white people have their own obstacles to deal with and even though their personal challenges may not be race they still endure hardships. When the conversation is about racial inequality brushing past the very obvious ways in which someone's looks gives them certain advantages is what's counter productive. We can't untangle the mess without identifying all the knots.
And Jessie Williams himself has talked about light skin privilege, it's another marker that makes you more visible and likely to be heard not only by the power structure but by the oppressed since colorism is an issue all it's own amongst minorities.
And there is something to be said about the non threatening minority why do you think Asians catch less problems from the overall power structure, the overall message is the closer to white the better and in a world dominated and obsessed with race a blued eye light skinned black man will enjoy certain privileges and be perceived differently than a darker skinned person.

I get how talking to these mothers after tragedy strikes can color your perception but I've been a dark skinned person my whole life and I definitely see the difference in treatment. The terms house slave and field slave didn't exist by accident.
 
Beasty said:
Actor Jesse Williams Is UNDER ATTACK . . . Fans Threaten To ‘BOYCOTT GREY’S ANATOMY’ . . . Unless He’s FIRED For Being ‘ANTI-WHITE’!!!



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And this is why I respect dude so damn much he is putting his livelihood on the line to speak out. If they didn't get him for speaking out about Ferguson they won't get rid of him for a speech at the BET awards especially him giving homage to black women, I guarantee Shonda Rimes ate that up. Dude ain't going nowhere.
 
The Dark King said:
That's like saying there isn't any point to talking about white privilege because white people have their own obstacles to deal with and even though their personal challenges may not be race they still endure hardships. When the conversation is about racial inequality brushing past the very obvious ways in which someone's looks gives them certain advantages is what's counter productive. We can't untangle the mess without identifying all the knots.
And Jessie Williams himself has talked about light skin privilege, it's another marker that makes you more visible and likely to be heard not only by the power structure but by the oppressed since colorism is an issue all it's own amongst minorities.
And there is something to be said about the non threatening minority why do you think Asians catch less problems from the overall power structure, the overall message is the closer to white the better and in a world dominated and obsessed with race a blued eye light skinned black man will enjoy certain privileges and be perceived differently than a darker skinned person.

I get how talking to these mothers after tragedy strikes can color your perception but I've been a dark skinned person my whole life and I definitely see the difference in treatment. The terms house slave and field slave didn't exist by accident.
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The point was to divide and it still works good obviously.
 
The Dark King said:
That's like saying there isn't any point to talking about white privilege because white people have their own obstacles to deal with and even though their personal challenges may not be race they still endure hardships. When the conversation is about racial inequality brushing past the very obvious ways in which someone's looks gives them certain advantages is what's counter productive. We can't untangle the mess without identifying all the knots.
And Jessie Williams himself has talked about light skin privilege, it's another marker that makes you more visible and likely to be heard not only by the power structure but by the oppressed since colorism is an issue all it's own amongst minorities.
And there is something to be said about the non threatening minority why do you think Asians catch less problems from the overall power structure, the overall message is the closer to white the better and in a world dominated and obsessed with race a blued eye light skinned black man will enjoy certain privileges and be perceived differently than a darker skinned person.

I get how talking to these mothers after tragedy strikes can color your perception but I've been a dark skinned person my whole life and I definitely see the difference in treatment. The terms house slave and field slave didn't exist by accident.
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White people have problems but it isn't because they are white. False equivalence would be an understatement.
 
Beasty said:
White people have problems but it isn't because they are white. False equivalence would be an understatement.
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Not at all because it's a dismissive mindset. "You think I don't have problems too" You think light skin people don't go through stuff. You're entitled to your opinion though.
 
We are not talking about "problems" we are specifically talking about this racist system we all live in.
 
The Dark King said:
That's like saying there isn't any point to talking about white privilege because white people have their own obstacles to deal with and even though their personal challenges may not be race they still endure hardships. When the conversation is about racial inequality brushing past the very obvious ways in which someone's looks gives them certain advantages is what's counter productive. We can't untangle the mess without identifying all the knots.
And Jessie Williams himself has talked about light skin privilege, it's another marker that makes you more visible and likely to be heard not only by the power structure but by the oppressed since colorism is an issue all it's own amongst minorities.
And there is something to be said about the non threatening minority why do you think Asians catch less problems from the overall power structure, the overall message is the closer to white the better and in a world dominated and obsessed with race a blued eye light skinned black man will enjoy certain privileges and be perceived differently than a darker skinned person.

I get how talking to these mothers after tragedy strikes can color your perception but I've been a dark skinned person my whole life and I definitely see the difference in treatment. The terms house slave and field slave didn'ti exist by accident.
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I haven't been talking to the mothers, I've been listening to the dark skin Black fathers.

I agree that all parts need to be acknowledged and addressed. It's funny because you and I actually seem to be in agreement. I just simply addressed Ricardo's comment about letting him know when lighter skin/eyed are followed around in stores and shot by cops by saying it happens every day. I don't think that means it's at the same rate as darker skinned, but it is happening. I understand colorism is a major problem. But that doesn't mean that lighter skinned people aren't being followed in stores or shot by cops. NONE of it is ok.

I don't agree that it would be the same as saying white people have their own issues. Again, I just don't think it's productive for groups to further segregate themselves and feed more into the issue of colorism. You yourself made the comment about Black people being the most inclusive. I would agree. So then why devalue what a lighter skin man says about the issues. Is what he said valid? Should he not stand up and speak to the issues because he's lighter? Should it be dismissed or discounted because he's lighter? IDK, I happen to be one that thinks that ALL people (dark, light, medium, olive skinned, etc) should be standing up and doing something about it.

I started all this by asking Ricardo who, how, and where he suggest the issues to be addressed in a better way. I asked what he suggested to solve the issues. I will ask the same of you.

I just don't think turning against one another and picking things apart seems to be the way to do it. I think that just fuels the issues more and just gives those on the other side more ammunition.
 
K said:
I haven't been talking to the mothers, I've been listening to the dark skin Black fathers.

I agree that all parts need to be acknowledged and addressed. It's funny because you and I actually seem to be in agreement. I just simply addressed Ricardo's comment about letting him know when lighter skin/eyed are followed around in stores and shot by cops by saying it happens every day. I don't think that means it's at the same rate as darker skinned, but it is happening. I understand colorism is a major problem. But that doesn't mean that lighter skinned people aren't being followed in stores or shot by cops. NONE of it is ok.

I don't agree that it would be the same as saying white people have their own issues. Again, I just don't think it's productive for groups to further segregate themselves and feed more into the issue of colorism. You yourself made the comment about Black people being the most inclusive. I would agree. So then why devalue what a lighter skin man says about the issues. Is what he said valid? Should he not stand up and speak to the issues because he's lighter? Should it be dismissed or discounted because he's lighter? IDK, I happen to be one that thinks that ALL people (dark, light, medium, olive skinned, etc) should be standing up and doing something about it.

I started all this by asking Ricardo who, how, and where he suggest the issues to be addressed in a better way. I asked what he suggested to solve the issues. I will ask the same of you.

I just don't think turning against one another and picking things apart seems to be the way to do it. I think that just fuels the issues more and just gives those on the other side more ammunition.
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You're misreading what I'm saying, all I was saying was that Ricardo had a point he wasn't wrong. The way you look can afford you privilege. If you talk about your child missing and my mother talked about her child missing you are far more likely to be heard simply because of how you look. I also said Jessie Williams walks the walk and talks the talk he's legit the real deal. He reminds me of Tim Wise in the way that he has access to white spaces and talks on the hypocrisies regarding race unapologetically. I don't really care who addresses the problems as long as it's being addressed but I will point out and support things I know to be true. You made it seem as if there were no difference as if light skin people and dark skin people are treated the same and the facts are they simply aren't.
 
Beasty said:
Being a "house negro" is not a privilege.
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Of course it was, less manual labor, less time in the sun, better food, better shelter during the harsh weather, often times being allowed to be educated by every metric it was far better than being a field slave.
 
The Dark King said:
Of course it was, less manual labor, less time in the sun, better food, better shelter during the harsh weather, often times being allowed to be educated by every metric it was far better than being a field slave.
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He was being used as a tool, still less than a man. How you can look at someone that's subservient and consider them privileged says a lot.
 
Beasty said:
He was being used as a tool, still less than a man. How you can look at someone that's subservient and consider them privileged says a lot.
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Cause I understand context. Within the context of slavery and the time they lived in you can objectively see who's life was less harsh.
 
The Dark King said:
You're misreading what I'm saying, all I was saying was that Ricardo had a point he wasn't wrong. The way you look can afford you privilege. If you talk about your child missing and my mother talked about her child missing you are far more likely to be heard simply because of how you look. I also said Jessie Williams walks the walk and talks the talk he's legit the real deal. He reminds me of Tim Wise in the way that he has access to white spaces and talks on the hypocrisies regarding race unapologetically. I don't really care who addresses the problems as long as it's being addressed but I will point out and support things I know to be true. You made it seem as if there were no difference as if light skin people and dark skin people are treated the same and the facts are they simply aren't.
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I apologize if I misread what you said.

I would also apologize if I came across as you stated in the bolded. That was certainly not my intention.

I think I've made myself very clear (many times) that I don't think the way you stated at all. I don't really have the time or energy to spell it out in detail each time I post something in discussing racial issues.
 
Having it less bad and being privileged are two different things.

If massa infects one slave with syphills and the other with Aids for an experiment. Which one of them are privileged?
 
A commercial about a ww and her biracial son....

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Racism is racism.

Let's not play the "I have it worse cause I'm dark skinned versus you being light skinned"

Just cause you have a white parent and a black parent you are black and you are going to catch it. Period.
 
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