Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals

Madeleine said:
What he was doing was not "hitting on the actresses". To me that would be something like asking the lady for a drink at the bar after the Interview. Asking for a massage and changing from Public Place to bedroom during an Interview is abuse of a position of power and sexual harrassment. All you guys' long elobaration of justification and explanation does not change that. Yes, the women should have reacted differently, but that does not change that his behaviour was wrong.
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I agree that his behavior was wrong. My post do not suggest otherwise, I'm just skeptical on some of those who have said they rejected his advances, because I don't believe he got turned down every single time. And the hypocrisy of some of these ladies that are just going after him specifically but not after Woody Allen, Polanski, ect. It seems like a takedown of just him. Also I do not trust feminist with a political agenda whether they are conservative or liberal they just want power, not equality. Especially famous people, the spotlight is something they crave. White feminist like this have proven to racist and not care very much about racial equality in the business. They don't have the same energy towards racial diversity as they have when WW are having success in the industry like a Patty Jenkins, or LGBT presence in the industry. I don't see many of them celebrating or promoting movies and tv shows headlined by non white men, diversity in casting or celebrate and support IR love in movies & tv shows like they do with same sex love. And calling for it.

How many of them actually use their platform and supported the following:
The Big Sick
Masters Of None
Timeless
A Unite Kingdom
SWAT
Star Trek Discovery
The Gifted
The Mountain Between Us

Or use their platform to call out their industry's racism and bigotry. Take a stand and want to do more diverse projects. And support non white people especially black
people when they call people out for their bigotry.


But they sure will come out for women(mainly white women) and LGBT. They show support for bw out of fear of backlash, because as we have seen black feminist just like them support mainly their base, and will get loud if they don't see black female representation. Both can give a shit about White Supremacist' number one enemy... black men! One of the reason why some of them believe black men are just like a white supremacist. Black feminist goal is help the white patriarchy keep black men neutralized because black feminist sees bm a threat to their movement just like the white patriarchy do AND just like these white feminist do. That's why they hesitate in saying the WHITE patriarchy. Rose, Alyssa, Jessica Chastain, they all just say the patriarchy. Because they don't wish to see REAL equality and diversity, they just want their group in power over everybody. They just want a rich white man's power to control and dominate.
 
Madeleine said:
What he was doing was not "hitting on the actresses". To me that would be something like asking the lady for a drink at the bar after the Interview. Asking for a massage and changing from Public Place to bedroom during an Interview is abuse of a position of power and sexual harrassment. All you guys' long elobaration of justification and explanation does not change that. Yes, the women should have reacted differently, but that does not change that his behaviour was wrong.
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Agreed! One thing though ..His M.O was to ask to massage them or just outright attempt to. He really didn't ever ask them to. (Lupito and Mira are just 2 examples). A predator like Weinstein doesn't ask for massages because as Lupita explained, he can't control where his hands want to be. He's so foul.
 
darkcurry said:
I agree that his behavior was wrong. My post do not suggest otherwise, I'm just skeptical on some of those who have said they rejected his advances, because I don't believe he got turned down every single time. And the hypocrisy of some of these ladies that are just going after him specifically but not after Woody Allen, Polanski, ect. It seems like a takedown of just him. Also I do not trust feminist with a political agenda whether they are conservative or liberal they just want power, not equality. Especially famous people, the spotlight is something they crave. White feminist like this have proven to racist and not care very much about racial equality in the business. They don't have the same energy towards racial diversity as they have when WW are having success in the industry like a Patty Jenkins, or LGBT presence in the industry. I don't see many of them celebrating or promoting movies and tv shows headlined by non white men, diversity in casting or celebrate and support IR love in movies & tv shows like they do with same sex love. And calling for it.

How many of them actually use their platform and supported the following:
The Big Sick
Masters Of None
Timeless
A Unite Kingdom
SWAT
Star Trek Discovery
The Gifted
The Mountain Between Us

Or use their platform to call out their industry's racism and bigotry. Take a stand and want to do more diverse projects. And support non white people especially black
people when they call people out for their bigotry.


But they sure will come out for women(mainly white women) and LGBT. They show support for bw out of fear of backlash, because as we have seen black feminist just like them support mainly their base, and will get loud if they don't see black female representation. Both can give a shit about White Supremacist' number one enemy... black men! One of the reason why some of them believe black men are just like a white supremacist. Black feminist goal is help the white patriarchy keep black men neutralized because black feminist sees bm a threat to their movement just like the white patriarchy do AND just like these white feminist do. That's why they hesitate in saying the WHITE patriarchy. Rose, Alyssa, Jessica Chastain, they all just say the patriarchy. Because they don't wish to see REAL equality and diversity, they just want their group in power over everybody. They just want a rich white man's power to control and dominate.
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PREACH BROTHA PREACH

The greatest illustration of how these "feminist" think is the speech given by Patricia Arquette. "Women have stood up for blacks and people of the LGBT community now its their turn to stand up for us" paraphrasing but you get the gist. Apparently only white women are women because black women don't exist and there are no women in the LGBT community.
It all feels like a power grab and all their complaints about equal pay for equal work ignore two things
1. The vast majority of women in this country regardless of race or ethnicity or orientation could give a fuck less about equal pay these people yearn for a living wage. They'd rather get to a point where they can afford rent food and medicine and not have to choose between them. Its an insane disconnect from reality. Who cares if Jennifer Lawrence gets 10 million per film and Chris Evans gets 15 million, if they cared even a little about "women" they couldn't in good conscience even fix their mouths to complain about this shit in public. They would never feel comfortable comparing their "strife" with that of the common American woman.

2. We keep acting like Hollywood is not a transactional town where favors sexual or otherwise is usually on the table, again we are talking acting contracts worth millions. When we are talking those kinds of numbers ANYTHING is on the table for most.
 
I don't know if you know Klaus Kinski. German actor and director of, I believe Polish origin, who later went to Hollywood. That guy must have been one of the sickest individuals ever in that place. Pedophile who has a long list if underage girls he raped including his own daughters who wrote books about their life a few years ago. I think if the guy wasn't dead they'd have finally gone after him like he deserved it cos that story was everywhere then just like with Weinstein now. There seem to be a lot of sick people who suffer from loss of reality in that Hollywood so structures need to be put in place that make things like casting couch impossible. If they decide to go home with him after, that's on them but let it not be happening during interviews. And I don't even care whether it's Weinstein, Polanski or someone else. They all need to be put in check cos apparently they think they have become almighty.
 
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The Dark King said:
PREACH BROTHA PREACH

The greatest illustration of how these "feminist" think is the speech given by Patricia Arquette. "Women have stood up for blacks and people of the LGBT community now its their turn to stand up for us" paraphrasing but you get the gist. Apparently only white women are women because black women don't exist and there are no women in the LGBT community.
It all feels like a power grab and all their complaints about equal pay for equal work ignore two things
1. The vast majority of women in this country regardless of race or ethnicity or orientation could give a fuck less about equal pay these people yearn for a living wage. They'd rather get to a point where they can afford rent food and medicine and not have to choose between them. Its an insane disconnect from reality. Who cares if Jennifer Lawrence gets 10 million per film and Chris Evans gets 15 million, if they cared even a little about "women" they couldn't in good conscience even fix their mouths to complain about this shit in public. They would never feel comfortable comparing their "strife" with that of the common American woman.

2. We keep acting like Hollywood is not a transactional town where favors sexual or otherwise is usually on the table, again we are talking acting contracts worth millions. When we are talking those kinds of numbers ANYTHING is on the table for most.
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When Patricia Arquette said that she faced backlash by black people as she should have. I remember when she made that comment in oscar acceptance speech I was turned off by those comments I cut the telecast off. Women, white women have always stood up for the LGBT community, very few white women have actually stood up against racism and when I say stood up against racism I mean actually do something that helps racial diversity. Saying you are for diversity is EASY!! Look, I can type it right now: I am for diversity.
See. lol. Use your platform you have to prove it, because it's easy to say it. And that is what you don't see much of.

You are absolutely correct if only some of these out of touch celebrities complaining about only making $10 million realize that unless you are doing something valuable with it the average person doesn't care and would be insulted and disgusted if you complain about that around them. The only ones that care are those who are celebrity obsessed.
 
Madeleine said:
I don't know if you know Klaus Kinski. German actor and director of, I believe Polish origin, who later went to Hollywood. That guy must have been one of the sickest individuals ever in that place. Pedophile who has a long list if underage girls he raped including his own daughters who wrote books about their life a few years ago. I think if the guy wasn't dead they'd have finally gone after him like he deserved it cos that story was everywhere then just like with Weinstein now. There seem to be a lot of sick people who suffer from loss of reality in that Hollywood so structures need to be put in place that make things like casting couch impossible. If they decide to go home with him after, that's on them but let it not be happening during interviews. And I don't even care whether it's Weinstein, Polanski or someone else. They all need to be put in check cos apparently they think they have become almighty.
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I remember him. Father of Nastassia Kinski. He did a remake of F.W. Murnau's Nosferatu. I think he appeared in a few Hollywood films. He was always cast as the villain. I didn't know that he did those things.
 
darkcurry said:
When Patricia Arquette said that she faced backlash by black people as she should have. I remember when she made that comment in oscar acceptance speech I was turned off by those comments I cut the telecast off. Women, white women have always stood up for the LGBT community, very few white women have actually stood up against racism and when I say stood up against racism I mean actually do something that helps racial diversity. Saying you are for diversity is EASY!! Look, I can type it right now: I am for diversity.
See. lol. Use your platform you have to prove it, because it's easy to say it. And that is what you don't see much of.

You are absolutely correct if only some of these out of touch celebrities complaining about only making $10 million realize that unless you are doing something valuable with it the average person doesn't care and would be insulted and disgusted if you complain about that around them. The only ones that care are those who are celebrity obsessed.
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Kim Basinger caught some flack(and some praise)when she said that more black films should be included when she was reading the list of nominees. This was, of course, before she became an Oscar winner for her role as Lynn Bracken in L.A. Confidential.

Later, she started a protest against the treatment of performing circus animals.
 
darkcurry said:
When Patricia Arquette said that she faced backlash by black people as she should have. I remember when she made that comment in oscar acceptance speech I was turned off by those comments I cut the telecast off. Women, white women have always stood up for the LGBT community, very few white women have actually stood up against racism and when I say stood up against racism I mean actually do something that helps racial diversity. Saying you are for diversity is EASY!! Look, I can type it right now: I am for diversity.
See. lol. Use your platform you have to prove it, because it's easy to say it. And that is what you don't see much of.

You are absolutely correct if only some of these out of touch celebrities complaining about only making $10 million realize that unless you are doing something valuable with it the average person doesn't care and would be insulted and disgusted if you complain about that around them. The only ones that care are those who are celebrity obsessed.
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I think there is feminism in theory, the pursuit of womens rights and gender equality from a woman's perspective... then there is feminism in practice, which is to change a white male power structure into a white female power structure, same white supremacy just different sex.

This is why many women of color talk about how it mostly benefits white women (at least in america and other countries where white people are at the top of the food chain). I believe that is why womanism and other forms of gender political movements were created.

Harvey weistein is garbage, but from what I've read, he isn't any less garbage than most of the execs and entertainers in hollyweird. It seems that if you are at the top of the food chain wether man or woman, you become predatory and trade sex for favors etc. It's a really toxic enviroment. But yeah, either way, that guy is a piece of shit.
 
Gorath said:
I remember him. Father of Nastassia Kinski. He did a remake of F.W. Murnau's Nosferatu. I think he appeared in a few Hollywood films. He was always cast as the villain. I didn't know that he did those things.
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Yes, that's him. He was cast as the villain because he was the villain. Nastassia was the one who started talking about what her father did to her about two years ago and then her sister Pola also came out. She couldn't take it anymore that her father was still viewed as the crazy genius, the "l'infant terrible" of German film history when really he's a pedophile serial rapist.
 
Madeleine said:
Yes, that's him. He was cast as the villain because he was the villain. Nastassia was the one who started talking about what her father did to her about two years ago and then her sister Pola also came out. She couldn't take it anymore that her father was still viewed as the crazy genius, the "l'infant terrible" of German film history when really he's a pedophile serial rapist.
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I thought he was always cast as a villain because of his looks. He seemed like an evil man. But as I think back, a lot of European actors had a specific look. And sometimes those looks reflected their own lives. And it was often the case that it works for them onscreen.

Actress Maria Ouspenskaya, was best known for playing the gypsy Maleva in The Wolfman, lived a difficult life before she became an actress. She must've aged sooner because of it. She did very few film roles and was hired by Universal Pictures as an acting instructor. She was a chain smoker.

Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz' husband, was in Skyfall and No Country For Old Men. In both films he scared me. But it meant that he was really good at what he does.

Peter Lorre became a star for his role in Fritz Lang's film M. It was filmed in German and French.
Lorre would later hate it because people began to see him as that character in M.

Klaus Kinski, in that time in Germany, was a star. I wonder what he thought about Nastassia marrying music producer/composer Quincy Jones at that time.
 
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Gorath said:
I thought he was always cast as a villain because of his looks. He seemed like an evil man. But as I think back, a lot of European actors had a specific look. And sometimes those looks reflected their own lives. And it was often the case that it works for them onscreen.

Actress Maria Ouspenskaya, was best known for playing the gypsy Maleva in The Wolfman, lived a difficult life before she became an actress. She must've aged sooner because of it. She did very few film roles and was hired by Universal Pictures as an acting instructor. She was a chain smoker.

Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz' husband, was in Skyfall and No Country For Old Men. In both films he scared me. But it meant that he was really good at what he does.

Peter Lorre became a star for his role in Fritz Lang's film M. It was filmed in German and French.
Lorre would later hate it because people began to see him as that character in M.

Klaus Kinski, in that time in Germany, was a star. I wonder what he thought about Nastassia marrying music producer/composer Quincy Jones at that time.
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You have a lot of information about entertainment and film, I respect that.
 
Gorath said:
I thought he was always cast as a villain because of his looks. He seemed like an evil man. But as I think back, a lot of European actors had a specific look. And sometimes those looks reflected their own lives. And it was often the case that it works for them onscreen.

Actress Maria Ouspenskaya, was best known for playing the gypsy Maleva in The Wolfman, lived a difficult life before she became an actress. She must've aged sooner because of it. She did very few film roles and was hired by Universal Pictures as an acting instructor. She was a chain smoker.

Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz' husband, was in Skyfall and No Country For Old Men. In both films he scared me. But it meant that he was really good at what he does.

Peter Lorre became a star for his role in Fritz Lang's film M. It was filmed in German and French.
Lorre would later hate it because people began to see him as that character in M.

Klaus Kinski, in that time in Germany, was a star. I wonder what he thought about Nastassia marrying music producer/composer Quincy Jones at that time.
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Yeah, you are quite the encyclopedia of film:)!
I think Nastassia said something like her father didn't even want any other men around her because he saw her as his property. Like I said he didn't have a normal father-daughter relationship but did sick psycho things like take her along when he visited a brothel when she was just 3. Then he started raping her when she was 9 and I guess according to him that would have continued forever.
I think the European film industry allows for more specific looks, there are more actors and actresses that don't look perfectly beautiful and perfectly done to fit the mainstream mould compared to Hollywood. I think Javier Bardem is actually a nice guy. At least that's how he came across in Vicky Cristina Barcelona and in interviews.
 
Madeleine said:
Yeah, you are quite the encyclopedia of film:)!
I think Nastassia said something like her father didn't even want any other men around her because he saw her as his property. Like I said he didn't have a normal father-daughter relationship but did sick psycho things like take her along when he visited a brothel when she was just 3. Then he started raping her when she was 9 and I guess according to him that would have continued forever.
I think the European film industry allows for more specific looks, there are more actors and actresses that don't look perfectly beautiful and perfectly done to fit the mainstream mould compared to Hollywood. I think Javier Bardem is actually a nice guy. At least that's how he came across in Vicky Cristina Barcelona and in interviews.
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It is interesting when I compare Hollywood to European film actors. I remember seeing the Italian film called Swept Away with Giancarlo Gianini. Talk about different. Gianini had many facial expressions that really conveyed many things going on in his character's life. And we are able to understand and follow him.

I remember seeing the trailer for the film Tess. It was the first time I ever saw Nastassia Kinski. She looked perfect and angelic. Honestly, I had not seen Tess. But I rebounded and saw her in Cat People and I Love You To Death, with Dudley Moore. I saw her later in other movies. She and Quincy Jones were divorced but they are still friends to this day.

Javier Bardem is a nice guy. No doubt about that. But like Klaus Kinski, if he is playing a villain, he can make your skin crawl. He's that good.
 
Klaus Kinski was in an episode of HBO's The Hitchhiker. He played a tyrannical conductor whose wife (played beautifully by Belinda Bauer of Robocop 2) has an affair with an audio technician. Belinda has a nice body in that episode. I'm sure some of you remember it. Belinda Bauer is a published author and now a counselor in Los Angeles.
 
Gorath said:
Klaus Kinski was in an episode of HBO's The Hitchhiker. He played a tyrannical conductor whose wife (played beautifully by Belinda Bauer of Robocop 2) has an affair with an audio technician. Belinda has a nice body in that episode. I'm sure some of you remember it. Belinda Bauer is a published author and now a counselor in Los Angeles.
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I don't know that one. Klaus Kinski was actually before my time as I was born 1984. I just know of him because he is one of most famous German actors so he comes up in the media every now and then. And I have a friend who is a Kinski fan and made me watch Aguirre. The presence of evil around that guy freaked me out before I even knew anything else about him.
 
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Madeleine said:
I don't know that one. Klaus Kinski was actually before my time as I was born 1984. I just know of him because he is one of most famous German actors so he comes up in the media every now and then. And I have a friend who is a Kinski fan and made me watch Aguirre. The presence of evil around that guy freaked me out before I even knew anything else about him.
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The Hitchhiker came out in 1983 to 1987 on HBO. The show was picked up by the USA Network from 1989 to 1991. I think you could find the first season episodes on YouTube. I have heard of Aguirre. It was considered one of Kinski's crowning cinematic achievements. I just remember him from the remake of Nosferatu. It wasn't like Max Schreck's fascinating performance. But, Kinski's portrayal of the vampire was that of a disease spreader. I think he enjoyed playing the villain. I think he was also in the film Crawlspace. He played the villain in that film.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
Y'all ever heard of this superstar Hollywood photographer named Terry Richardson? Dude is another example of a well-known open secret sexual abuser/rapist of women.

Here are links to his creepy NSFW work (Reminder: He is a superstar Hollywood/modeling photographer, NOT a porn photographer)

http://thefappeningblog.com/tag/terry-richardson-leaked/

http://imisstheoldterry-acopy.tumblr.com
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darkcurry said:
I'm almost certain some of those are photoshopped. Are some of those leaks with celebs or random models?
But you have to also know that even the women in Hollywood are super freaky! They have to be careful before trying to go super hard with this sense of "higher morality" than men, because just like some of them have been exposed for being racist, people know and it will be put out there even further of how wild some of them are.

They sexualize men and find nothing wrong with it. One of the reasons why some of these men are seen as sex symbols is because famous women(ww) just like their fans drool over them. Recently Idris Elba have had women including Kate Winslet talk about how sexy he is and talked about how he likes feet more than how talented he is. I seen a interview and I didn't know so many white women in Hollywood wanted to work with him, but it was mainly because of how sexy he is nothing to do with his talent. Now if Idris would've said how he wanted to work with an actress because of how sexy she is he would've got accused of sexualizing women and with him being black he would've got raked through the coals. So some of these women need to tread lightly.
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ColiBreh1 said:
He's a superstar photographer so he works with A-list celebs & models/actresses trying to break into business. Obviously the chicks that are no names that haven't made a name for themselves are gonna be the most vunerable. I believe most the pics are real because a bunch of them were released in his books.
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glt1980 said:
Photographers have a certain knack for getting their models to take their clothes off and then interjecting themselves into their shoots. They always seem to find a way to touch the girls. You get some of them in a hypersexualized situation with a guy that has some juice in the industry and some of them sure know how to take advantage. It is certainly easier to take advantage with the newer unknown girls of course because they have not made it big and many of them are willing to do anything to get that big break.
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Looks like the jig is up for Terry Richardson:

https://twitter.com/PINsykes/status/922729009364062209
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...richardson-banned-working-vogue-leading-mags/
 
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