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I don't know why, but I'm actually happy for the lil guy.:smt102
You're happy because you are a well adjusted man who doesn't get upset by seeing a White boy with a Black Girl.
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I don't know why, but I'm actually happy for the lil guy.:smt102
You're happy because you are a well adjusted man who doesn't get upset by seeing a White boy with a Black Girl.
So Jill is saying that when Black women see us in public, their silent winces and composed recriminatory non-stares are not jealousy or a more base emotion, but these women are somehow conjuring up Jim Crow.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Black women that “wince” are not thinking about Jim Crow. Most likely these women with this mentality were not even around at that time or have any real knowledge of that period. I haven't been in a relationship with a WW for a few years, but I surely get the daggers when I'm with my White female friends in public...so children don't have to be involved.
Jill is elevating the status of a Black man because he is with a White woman. She doesn't know if they are happily married, wealthy, poor or unhappy. She doesn't know if the White woman is a with a “together” Brother or not. He's only seemingly together because he is with a White Woman. A good man will take care of his family no matter the color of his wife. A good man who is smart will pick the best partner he can find. Many of these Black men that weren't good enough for certain Black women come to find out that they are more than good enough for the White women they are with now.
The bed wasn't empty when you were making those kids with that no good Brother. How about working out the issues with him instead of getting in to whatever issues BM and WW might have?
Yes, talk about the historical psychological damage to Black women and then top it off by mentioning empty beds. Obvious pandering to the most insecure Black women. Any secure, thoughtful Black woman reading Essence should have stopped right here....because that woman has a man or if she doesn't, she's not pining over BM with WW because she knows there are many good Black men out there. She's not stuck in the negative mentality White society placed Black women in from slavery times.
I'm happy that she "digs" us (I'm sure she would find a stronger verb for Black people exercising the option to be with each other), but Jill totally negates her "understanding" of IR love with
I'm just Sayin'????
This is a lame cop out similar to those made by the recently banned blacgrl. Start of saying something potentially upsetting, highlight your misfortune claiming its the reason for your outlook, and then conclude by stating that it was just a harmless opinion.
How about saying the wince and the sting is a wrong feeling and that your rational understanding of Black people being open and free to be with who they want to is the culminating of our collective struggle to regain our humanity these last 400+ years.
Essence readers don't seem to put out when they see Black women with White men.... Her spirit should feel joy when shes men who would have been lynched with White Women.. Okay, that would be extremely far fetched, but at least she could have ended the article by giving a boost to these Black women who wince. She offers no solution to them, in fact she states: no matter the ointment, that has yet to stop burning.
That has yet to stop burning. You would think that she would come up with a solution to stop the burning. This is suppose to be a magazine that empowers Black women, remember!!!
There are no solutions to Black people stuck with this mentality. Black people, if we don't love ourselves, we will never find ourselves worthy to be loved by anyone else, even our own people. A Black person being with another “race” should be seen as an even exchange. Stop selling ourselves short in the exchange by elevating our partners, or finding value in us after the exchange has happened. An IR relationship built on self-hate is doomed from the start, it needs no input from anyone else.
Unfortunately, too many Black men attracted to White women feel the need to defend themselves against this scorn a la Toure. Why two consenting adults get together is their own business. That's all that needs to be said concerning BM/WW. Anymore is giving much attention to those who want to think we are focusing on them, when they are focusing on us.
This is not even about Jill, when I see the beauty in her smile I feel that her soul is credible and that she doesn't hold real hatred for the BM/WW union. I know that she really wrote what she felt, even though I think it's coming from a psychologically damaging place that she seemingly doesn't want to heal.
Time Warner Inc/Essence magazine for two months in a row have successfully stirred up controversy. My time should have been focused on them, they would never print White Men and Asian Women: Faith Hill on Why it Hurts on any of there non Black female magazines. Even if they wanted to, good luck finding a White female celebrity to do so.
Jill Scott did though, and her thoughts are only hurtful in that they show some Black women are still in enough pain that they are willing to do “Massa Time Warner's" work for them.
Whoa XOXO you really wrote a very insightful post. I know I'm late to this discussion but I can understand why some BW feel the way Jill feels. I don't think BW would really care if it was some rare thing that a BM is dating or married to a white women, but I think its more of the accumulation over the years of successful black men marrying white and non-black women. I get it that there are people out there that will naturally be more attracted to different type of people I but I think its hard to argue that its more than a coincidence that when BM get some paper they either get with a white, hispanic, or some biracial or light skinned black women.
If BW demostrated the same dating patterns as BM then I would tell Jill that you have no room to talk, but thats not obviously the case. I also think if BW were desired more by other races then I think black women would not care. But when you look at the fact that there are more BW than BM, there are millions of BM behind bars, the guys that are gay, and on top of all that black men date and marrying out of their race in greater numbers that the BW then I can understand their bitterness to a degree.
Reggie your dead wrong on so many fronts my friend.
1. Many successful bw date wm garcel, hallie, iman,sinya, kerry washington, and those are the ones I know off the top of my head. She is like many Americans who feel entitled to what they want without working for it. If it were a young black girl she would say men only want young hot things. She's hating pure and simple.
2. Most black men date and marry bw despite income. The ones who date ww are highlighted more so we the public get this perception that as soon as a bm gets money he runs from all things black to lily white town.
3. As xo pointed out who a grown person dates is their own business period the end. If you want a certain person go for them but don't hate on a person for finding what makes them happy.
I'm just saying...
Reggie your dead wrong on so many fronts my friend.
1. Many successful bw date wm garcel, hallie, iman,sinya, kerry washington, and those are the ones I know off the top of my head. She is like many Americans who feel entitled to what they want without working for it. If it were a young black girl she would say men only want young hot things. She's hating pure and simple.
2. Most black men date and marry bw despite income. The ones who date ww are highlighted more so we the public get this perception that as soon as a bm gets money he runs from all things black to lily white town.
3. As xo pointed out who a grown person dates is their own business period the end. If you want a certain person go for them but don't hate on a person for finding what makes them happy.
I'm just saying...
I agree that who a person dates should not matter to other people, but when I see BM celebrities, entertainers, and athletes only marrying and dating hispanic, biracial, light skinned, and white women it makes me think that something is off with the American black male standard of beauty.
Well, if you think this is true then why don't BW make more of an issue regarding black guys who date light skinned girls and biracial girls? The last time I checked they save the vast majority of their whining for when black men marry/date white women. And this is despite they date/marry white women FAR FAR FAR less tha they date/marry lightskinned black women and biracial women.
So I get people having preferences but when successful BM primarily only date "paper bag brown" women or lighter I find that troubling.
^^^^ what they should do is not HATE black women once they get money. Its not about having choices..a lot of these cats totally write off their own race once they get money. reggie bush hates black women.
Think about it, its not a white famous male who writes off their entire race, hell 95& of them only date white. There has never been a white athlete that has never been known to not date his race at all like reggie and other black dudes. Why don't they take advantage of their option of getting with other races?
And yeah the black ones who might like black women say she has to be light skinned. From chris brown, omarion, yung berg, t.i. and a lot of cats i cant even remember have been cases of them saying they only date light skinned black women. If you look at the rap/ r n b videos the main girl is always light skinned/spanish girls. This is on purpose. 99% of the time when a black famous male is with a black woman, shes light skinned mixed. When they are doing photo shoots, they request light skinned. A mexican model even told me this. The slave mentality of these brothas is sad, that light/dark stuff shouldn't matter. They claim light skinned and spanish women are more "exotic"
^^^^ what they should do is not HATE black women once they get money. Its not about having choices..a lot of these cats totally write off their own race once they get money. reggie bush hates black women.
Think about it, its not a white famous male who writes off their entire race, hell 95& of them only date white. There has never been a white athlete that has never been known to not date his race at all like reggie and other black dudes. Why don't they take advantage of their option of getting with other races?
And yeah the black ones who might like black women say she has to be light skinned. From chris brown, omarion, yung berg, t.i. and a lot of cats i cant even remember have been cases of them saying they only date light skinned black women. If you look at the rap/ r n b videos the main girl is always light skinned/spanish girls. This is on purpose. 99% of the time when a black famous male is with a black woman, shes light skinned mixed. When they are doing photo shoots, they request light skinned. A mexican model even told me this. The slave mentality of these brothas is sad, that light/dark stuff shouldn't matter. They claim light skinned and spanish women are more "exotic"
You lie a lot.reggie bush hates black women.
Glad you responded first, Andrae. You saved me some typing.
I was about to go :smt068through that post. LoL
Well I actually do hear black women complain about them only dating women lighter than a brown paper bag. The reason why some black women don't complain about the men dating the biracial or light skinned BW is because there are many BW out there that are light skin. But I believe the reason BM/WW relationships garner so much attention from BW is because no black women can identify with a white woman.
He's a hypocrite...as are MANY Black people on this issue.When did he ever publicly come out and state that?
A lot of White dudes date exclusively Asian...
He's a hypocrite...as are MANY Black people on this issue.
NOBODY said shit about Kerry Washington(never dates BM) being on the cover of JET or Paula Patton being on the cover of Ebony..pregnant by a white man.
If they were BM the magazines would get slammed by hate mail.
Very true. I even remember Paula Abdul saying that at one point in the 90s and no one said a thing about it.
I've noticed that races of people with land and resources care more about who their women date.
People that don't have shit care more about who their men date.
That is true....He's a hypocrite...as are MANY Black people on this issue.
NOBODY said shit about Kerry Washington(never dates BM) being on the cover of JET or Paula Patton being on the cover of Ebony..pregnant by a white man.
If they were BM the magazines would get slammed by hate mail.
I've noticed that races of people with land and resources care more about who their women date.
People that don't have shit care more about who their men date.