Ashley Judd criticizes hip hop music/culture

[OpenHeart]

And they internalize it because of poor parenting. It's not rap it's poor parenting.

I strongly disagree. It is a combination of both bad parenting and rappers. And know that I don't include ALL rappers, because there are good ones out there. I know because I bump some very good rap with some deep meaningful lyrics. I am talking about the vile shit that's out there. I once saw a couple of BW have a 7 year old emulate them while they danced to a song entitled Back That Thang Up. When I saw what they had that litte girl doing, tears came to my eyes. Adults (rappers and parents) don't want to be responsible for the immorality and the children suffer for it.

Then you have the parents who are good parents, but they can't be with their children 24/7.

 

[The Dark King]

I strongly disagree. It is a combination of both bad parenting and rappers. And know that I don't include ALL rappers, because there are good ones out there. I know because I bump some very good rap with some deep meaningful lyrics. I am talking about the vile shit that's out there. I once saw a couple of BW have a 7 year old emulate them while they danced to a song entitled Back That Thang Up. When I saw what they had that litte girl doing, tears came to my eyes. Adults (rappers and parents) don't want to be responsible for the immorality and the children suffer for it.

Then you have the parents who are good parents, but they can't be with their children 24/7.

Yeah it's all rap no other media huh? smdh

 

[FG]

Yeah it's all rap no other media huh? smdh

I don't think she meant that. But its a fact that no other category goes to the lengths that some rappers do.

 

[Ol'Skool Classic]

Yeah it's all rap no other media huh? smdh

You know how it goes:

Rap

Video games

Those violent Bugs Bunny cartoons

Soap Operas

Horror Movies

Comic Books

Porn

Rock & Roll

 

[FG]

You know how it goes:

Rap

Video games

Those violent Bugs Bunny cartoons

Soap Operas

Horror Movies

Comic Books

Porn

Rock & Roll

Well, that is true too! Damn those old cartoons - horrible!!! Misdirect the youngins

 

[The Dark King]

I don't think she meant that. But its a fact that no other category goes to the lengths that some rappers do.

Really? I guess movies where they visually kill rape and dismember are no where near as bad as rap music huh. Again smh.

 

[FG]

Really? I guess movies where they visually kill rape and dismember are no where near as bad as rap music huh. Again smh.

Stop, confusing the topic - you have a tendency to do this. It has nothing to do w the topic at hand. Start a thread about that then.
:smt003

 

[The Dark King]

Stop, confusing the topic - you have a tendency to do this. It has nothing to do w the topic at hand. Start a thread about that then.
:smt003

I'm not confusing a thing sweet cheeks I'm just pointing out that rap gets so much blame for violence and mistreatment towards women when that's always been part of our culture. Its not rap culture its western culture. Rap is often demonized because its artists are for the most part black and as seen as foreign from the mainstream.
I get that rap has vulgarity and objectifies women but please tell me a genre of entertainment that doesn't.

 

[FG]

I'm not confusing a thing sweet cheeks I'm just pointing out that rap gets so much blame for violence and mistreatment towards women when that's always been part of our culture. Its not rap culture its western culture. Rap is often demonized because its artists are for the most part black and as seen as foreign from the mainstream.
I get that rap has vulgarity and objectifies women but please tell me a genre of entertainment that doesn't.

Sweet cheeks, ha - you realize how that comes across in a disagrement, right? Not that I take offence, just saying.
Yes, you are confusing the topic draggin up stuff that is not a part of this discussion.
The topic is not about everything under the sun that has a bad influence., the topic is hip hop/rap.
Even though many other things have the same effect does not take away the facts from that Judd has a point.

If I say that violets are blue, and you would come along and say - but blue carnations are more blue - does it mean that the Violet is still not blue?? C'mon, you are smart.

If you want to discuss the influence of slasher movies then by all means do so, you cant say because these type of movies have a bad influence that SOME rap don't. Its not mutually exclusive.

Anywho, I'm going to bed sweet cheeks. Flying to SF for a stupid conference in the morning.
Someone else will surely pick up my slack - or not. LOL.

 

[The Dark King]

Sweet cheeks, ha - you realize how that comes across in a disagrement, right? Not that I take offence, just saying.
Yes, you are confusing the topic draggin up stuff that is not a part of this discussion.
The topic is not about everything under the sun that has a bad influence., the topic is hip hop/rap.
Even though many other things have the same effect does not take away the facts from that Judd has a point.

If I say that violets are blue, and you would come along and say - but blue carnations are more blue - does it mean that the Violet is still not blue?? C'mon, you are smart.

If you want to discuss the influence of slasher movies then by all means do so, you cant say because these type of movies have a bad influence that SOME rap don't. Its not mutually exclusive.

Anywho, I'm going to bed sweet cheeks. Flying to SF for a stupid conference in the morning.
Someone else will surely pick up my slack - or not. LOL.

Or you can look at it like this. If you truly have a problem with drug trafficing do you just criticize the college weed dealers or do you criticize everyone who helps to create the problem. Yeah the weed dealers contribute to the problem but they're from the root and far from catalyst of continuation.
How do you like them apples sweet cheeks

Btw have a great conference kid.

 

[Tony Soprano]

This track says it all...

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[OpenHeart]

Yeah it's all rap no other media huh? smdh

OMG! Did I say that or is that a rhetorical question? Surely, it must be. You already know the answer to that one. I can discuss porn, rock music or whatever but the subject of this thread is rap music. Now the question is will you present solutions instead of covering this serious issue with excuses and distractive conversation?

 

[The Dark King]

OMG! Did I say that or is that a rhetorical question? Surely, it must be. You already know the answer to that one. I can discuss porn, rock music or whatever but the subject of this thread is rap music. Now the question is will you present solutions instead of covering this serious issue with excuses and distractive conversation?

What solutions? Dictate free speech? How about parents just be parents and allow those old enough to listen to listen.

 

[OpenHeart]

What solutions? Dictate free speech? How about parents just be parents and allow those old enough to listen to listen.

I wish it was that easy. The parents who are raising their kids on this shit are the very one who were raised on it by THEIR parents over 18 years ago. It is so deeply rooted into the African American culture that the only way to turn it around is for the women as a whole to stand up and say enough is enough. You can't look to the men or depend on them because most of them are like you. They love this jerk off material, so not many o them are going to say anything or do anything about it and neither are the whorish women who get off on it...yeah I said it.

Dictate free speech? hell no...Dictate where it is played...hell yeah!

In my state, one has the freedom to smoke in spite of the dangers to one' health. It's their life and their right to endanger their lives. But so as to protect the health of other people and children, a smoker can't smoke in restaurants, bathrooms, our malls, etc. So while no one dictates whether or not he/she can smoke, WHERE they can smoke is dictated. So with that said, solutions should be looked into for where this shitty mess can be played.

Last year, I ordered food at Subway and sat down to eat with my sweetheart. A rap song came on after an RnB piece. It was so vile, going into details of a sex act. using the N word and other choice words. After I eat my meal, I spoke with the manager. Then I went home and wrote a letter to Subway Headquarters. To this day, they longer play rap music there.

With that said, the first thing that must be done is come up for solutions where people can and can't play porn rap. With freedom of speech comes responsibilty and here lately when it comes to rap music everyone want to lay that responsibilty on everybody else except the source...Time Warner, Viacom, Russell Simmons, etc., etc., etc.

 

[orejon4]

Or you can look at it like this. If you truly have a problem with drug trafficing do you just criticize the college weed dealers or do you criticize everyone who helps to create the problem. Yeah the weed dealers contribute to the problem but they're from the root and far from catalyst of continuation.
How do you like them apples sweet cheeks

Btw have a great conference kid.

Is clap-trap lame as an art form? Yes.
Is it responsible for the decline of western civilization? No (in many ways it's rotting on its own).
I have to say, I don't see why it's so hard to just turn it off. When my son and I are together, he gets only jazz, dub/roots, salsa, flamenco and kids' show tunes. Period. No hip-hop, no rock. No vulgarity. Nothing with a message that requires insight and maturity (that my 9-year old does not yet possess) to differentiate. I don't want the music industry or Hollywood raising my son. This stuff can only hold sway over people's minds if we allow it to. I chalk it up to slack parenting.

Where does slackness come from? Poverty and ignorance, not music. People wallow in the relative degradation of the music because they are relatively degraded, not the other way around.

So I still think Ms. Judd is off-base. She is attributing causality to the effects themselves.

 

[The Dark King]

Is clap-trap lame as an art form? Yes.
Is it responsible for the decline of western civilization? No (in many ways it's rotting on its own).
I have to say, I don't see why it's so hard to just turn it off. When my son and I are together, he gets only jazz, dub/roots, salsa, flamenco and kids' show tunes. Period. No hip-hop, no rock. No vulgarity. Nothing with a message that requires insight and maturity (that my 9-year old does not yet possess) to differentiate. I don't want the music industry or Hollywood raising my son. This stuff can only hold sway over people's minds if we allow it to. I chalk it up to slack parenting.

Where does slackness come from? Poverty and ignorance, not music. People wallow in the relative degradation of the music because they are relatively degraded, not the other way around.

So I still think Ms. Judd is off-base. She is attributing causality to the effects themselves.

Holy shit someone who actually gets it. Good post fam and kudos to you for being a GOOD PARENT.

 

[The Dark King]

I wish it was that easy. The parents who are raising their kids on this shit are the very one who were raised on it by THEIR parents over 18 years ago. It is so deeply rooted into the African American culture that the only way to turn it around is for the women as a whole to stand up and say enough is enough. You can't look to the men or depend on them because most of them are like you. They love this jerk off material, so not many o them are going to say anything or do anything about it and neither are the whorish women who get off on it...yeah I said it.

Dictate free speech? hell no...Dictate where it is played...hell yeah!

In my state, one has the freedom to smoke in spite of the dangers to one' health. It's their life and their right to endanger their lives. But so as to protect the health of other people and children, a smoker can't smoke in restaurants, bathrooms, our malls, etc. So while no one dictates whether or not he/she can smoke, WHERE they can smoke is dictated. So with that said, solutions should be looked into for where this shitty mess can be played.

Last year, I ordered food at Subway and sat down to eat with my sweetheart. A rap song came on after an RnB piece. It was so vile, going into details of a sex act. using the N word and other choice words. After I eat my meal, I spoke with the manager. Then I went home and wrote a letter to Subway Headquarters. To this day, they longer play rap music there.

With that said, the first thing that must be done is come up for solutions where people can and can't play porn rap. With freedom of speech comes responsibilty and here lately when it comes to rap music everyone want to lay that responsibilty on everybody else except the source...Time Warner, Viacom, Russell Simmons, etc., etc., etc.

First off I'm going to call absolute bs on this whole post. Subway is a chain restaurant like McDonalds and Burger King and I don't know what shitty ghetto you live in but around here in the greater NY area they are only allowed to play radio station music that don't use the N word so you must have been in the one place where the kids(because grown ups won't try to play their own music) had control of the music which is very unlikely.
Secondly your comment about black women having to stand up and because us men are the only ones who like that "jerk off music" is so suspect. Bw are the ones more likely to support their favorite rapper by actually buying the cd(men are less likely to buy music) and going to the concerts so I don't know where this blame the bm for bullshit came from.
Lastly if someone bumping their rap in a passing vehicle or playing it from their home so much it influences your child so easily then you're not doing your job as a parent. I listened to rap when I was a teenager and that's when gangsta rap was at it's height of popularity and I didn't emulate that bullshit because I had a mother and a father and extended family that would rather put me in the hospital then let me run a muck. It's parenting period, stop blaming outside forces for your lack parenting skills its weak and pathetic. Not to mention the people who attribute rap as the reason for the downfall of society are just attacking an easy target. It's easier to paint the face of decadence and vulgarity with a black brush because it's easy to villainize these poor young men than it is to look at the entire western culture which has loved the degredation of women and ideals of greed since the beginning of its inception. So rap influencing culture or does culture influence rap? Be honest.

 

[FG]

Or you can look at it like this. If you truly have a problem with drug trafficing do you just criticize the college weed dealers or do you criticize everyone who helps to create the problem. Yeah the weed dealers contribute to the problem but they're from the root and far from catalyst of continuation.
How do you like them apples sweet cheeks

Btw have a great conference kid.

ugh, dont have time to respond but have to since you made a boo-boo, sweet cheeks (lol).
That would have been a great analog HAD we been talking about "the cultural beliefs and practices that divide the sexes and institutionalize and normalize the unequal treatment of girls and women, privilege the interests of boys and men, and, most nefariously, incessantly sexualize girls and women — is the root cause of poverty and suffering around the world" as a whole - we are not.

This discussion is akin to talking about the college dealer, not the whole drug problem (one is a cause, one is an effect of many causes).

The college dealer is one cogwheel of many making up the problem of the drug trafficking. Much as what we are talking about is a cogwheel of many that makes up the problem Judd is talking about.
If you want to deal with the college dealer, it wont help by dragging in other cogwheels in the problem, its footing the bill - and not solving anything. You cant compare cause to effect.

If you are discussing an effect, such as the drug problem, then by all means you need to talk about all pieces that makes that work. Sam if you want to talk about SIZE="3"]"the cultural beliefs and practices that divide the sexes and institutionalize and normalize the unequal treatment of girls and women, privilege the interests of boys and men, and, most nefariously, incessantly sexualize girls and women — is the root cause of poverty and suffering around the world"[/SIZE], then by all means, you need to talk about all causes that lead to that.

But that is not the case, we are not talking about that, we are talking about Hip-hop /rap specifically (that would be like talking about the college drug dealer, not the drug trafficking as a whole).

If you want to discuss the effect that Judd was mentioning (I wont copy that long piece again, two times is enuff) - then, make a thread about it, then you can approach all pieces that makes leads to this problem.

ok, I really gotta go

 

[The Dark King]

ugh, dont have time to respond but have to since you made a boo-boo, sweet cheeks (lol).
That would have been a great analog HAD we been talking about "the cultural beliefs and practices that divide the sexes and institutionalize and normalize the unequal treatment of girls and women, privilege the interests of boys and men, and, most nefariously, incessantly sexualize girls and women — is the root cause of poverty and suffering around the world" as a whole - we are not.

This discussion is akin to talking about the college dealer, not the whole drug problem (one is a cause, one is an effect of many causes).

The college dealer is one cogwheel of many making up the problem of the drug trafficking. Much as what we are talking about is a cogwheel of many that makes up the problem Judd is talking about.
If you want to deal with the college dealer, it wont help by dragging in other cogwheels in the problem, its footing the bill - and not solving anything. You cant compare cause to effect.

If you are discussing an effect, such as the drug problem, then by all means you need to talk about all pieces that makes that work. Sam if you want to talk about SIZE="3"]"the cultural beliefs and practices that divide the sexes and institutionalize and normalize the unequal treatment of girls and women, privilege the interests of boys and men, and, most nefariously, incessantly sexualize girls and women — is the root cause of poverty and suffering around the world"[/SIZE], then by all means, you need to talk about all causes that lead to that.

But that is not the case, we are not talking about that, we are talking about Hip-hop /rap specifically (that would be like talking about the college drug dealer, not the drug trafficking as a whole).

If you want to discuss the effect that Judd was mentioning (I wont copy that long piece again, two times is enuff) - then, make a thread about it, then you can approach all pieces that makes leads to this problem.

ok, I really gotta go

Ok Ms Gun and Run you made an even bigger mistake, did you fail logic in hs?, when comparing one individual to the whole. If the issue is how rap(which is one segment of music/entertainment not just one person like say 50 cent) affects our perception of women and normalizes what has already been normalized by every single fucking piece of media from Newspapers to Billboard ads. Then it would be like comparing one segment of drug trafficking ie weed to the whole drug problem.
I hope I made myself clear boo boo.:smt023

 

[OpenHeart]

First off I'm going to call absolute bs on this whole post. Subway is a chain restaurant like McDonalds and Burger King and I don't know what shitty ghetto you live in but around here in the greater NY area they are only allowed to play radio station music that don't use the N word so you must have been in the one place where the kids(because grown ups won't try to play their own music) had control of the music which is very unlikely.

They were not kids. They were around my age. And no, Fan, I do not live in a shitty ghetto. Don't try to be condenscending with me in this discussion. I have gone into stores like Radio Shack where this type of music was playing. You ignorantly think that a store has to be embedded in the ghetto to play music with the N word. I'm not surprised that you don't know any better because of some of your posts I've read on another thread concerning an issue going on right up under your nose in your country Jamaica.

Secondly your comment about black women having to stand up and because us men are the only ones who like that "jerk off music" is so suspect.[

Your tendency to misread or misquote me annoys me because this is one of your tactics. Below is what I said.

You can't look to the men or depend on them because most of them are like you. They love this jerk off material, so not many o them are going to say anything or do anything about it and neither are the whorish women who get off on it...yeah I said it.

Lastly if someone bumping their rap in a passing vehicle or playing it from their home so much it influences your child so easily then you're not doing your job as a parent. I listened to rap when I was a teenager and that's when gangsta rap was at it's height of popularity and I didn't emulate that bullshit because I had a mother and a father and extended family that would rather put me in the hospital then let me run a muck. It's parenting period, stop blaming outside forces for your lack parenting skills its weak and pathetic.

It's very evident to me that it did indeed have some effect on you and that is not your parents fault. We can go on and on about this and that is not my intention. The fact is something needs to be done and I noted that you didn't even discuss any of the solutions that I offered. You simply got upset about your gender being mention for the lack of their part in offering solutions for this serious situation...typical.

Not to mention the people who attribute rap as the reason for the downfall of society are just attacking an easy target. It's easier to paint the face of decadence and vulgarity with a black brush because it's easy to villainize these poor young men than it is to look at the entire western culture which has loved the degredation of women and ideals of greed since the beginning of its inception. So rap influencing culture or does culture influence rap? Be honest.

To be honest, I see the decadence and so do many people. But like you, they don't give a damn. Then when someone is stupid enough to show some concern, they get shot down. Rap is influencing many of the youth...not all. For you to say it isn't, is not being honest.