Tiger Woods’ ex-wife bulldozes $12 million home

[Bliss]

With all due respect you have no idea what level I am on golf wise, it sounds as if you know very little about the game. For the record I have been a + handicap for many years, have won amateur tournaments against PGA teaching pros and have been told multiple times by those who know that I have the talent to play professionally. I certainly would never compare myself to Tiger or even an average touring pro, but one of my goals is to play the champions tour, so I DO in fact know what it takes to practice and play at the PGA level.

A quote from Jack Nicklaus on how he would practice his putting when his kids were small, from Golf Digest.

"The following day little Jackie came out to help me. He putted with me on the practice green at La Quinta, and he knows exactly how to go about it. He puts the ball down about four inches from the cup, and I knock it in from there."

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Classic example of quality time between father and son and real practice.
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There are all kinds of ways to practice while interacting with others, before he had kids tiger would often say that his best practice sessions were when he was playing with buddies, breaks up the monotony of beating balls on the range. Now clearly there is a time for distraction free practice, swing changes, film sessions, working your way out of a slump, ect. but there can be great quality time spent with the kids on the course, and still have that time be effective practice wise, especially chipping and putting.

Seriously? So while he's chipping and putting, what happens if the kid wants to play hide and seek. Or chasey. or squirt gun, or fly a kite with Dad, or jump all over him like a jungle gym, or have dad spin him or toss him, throw a ball with him.....Kids know the difference, you know, when a parent is focused and fully engaged with them. You can't fool them.

And I don't fully believe he built a full golf course on his property to practice and be with his kids. More like, so he can practice in private. That sounds about right.

Am I missing something here...we are discussing Tiger and the limited time he has to spend with his kids. What you did was analogize him to you, who does find watching your kids chase grandpa on the green quality time. Fine, however this isn't about your world, because Tiger cannot afford that kind of luxury if he is to either maintain being the best, or retake his crown of being the best.

Despite all the credit you give yourself as an amateur golfer and who has had people tell you you could play pro, the fact remains, you are not pro and you do not live the demands day in and day out of what the TOP player in Golf does.
Using Jack as an example doesn't apply because he's been married 50 years and was never compelled to split-time with his young child. Furthermore, you gave no indication how long this child was on the green with him, so either he spent all his time with his kid on the green or very little and they removed his child at some point from the practice.

My point was, if you have your kids for a limited time as part of the custodial agreement, building a golf course to practice as a means to spend time with your kids, sorry, that's not quality to me. I'm pretty confident that when the kids are dropped off and they see and run to dad, the last thing they want is to have dad grab a putting iron to combine 'playtime" with them.

 

[Bliss]

And you are strong? All one needs to say is fat ugly or old and you are all over the place. I know it hits close to home but you dont need to be that sensitive. I know some druggies who might want to get into your pants might tell you you are a strong woman but really you are one insecure woman. Get a man it would help you and good luck in finding one who is not half blind.

Wrong chick, Appiah.
I have never expressed any sensitivities towards my appearance, which is why my pics are up (unlike you). You argue with so many women on here about their appearance, you have me confused. I may post about the politics of it, but you'll find me contributing just a few posts in a thread that deals personally with members. Since I'm not ugly or old (like old is a bad word, smh), and in your world I am most definitely fat I'm sure (tho we know your world stinks) so I don't bother or much care for battling those topics out.

Where you will find me all over the place is in gender issues, race issues, politics, human interest, etc...However I am not surprised you don't know this because we rarely see you in them, if at all. I see now why....and that's because you're too busy fighting with the women here over their appearance, or whining about fat women to no-one in particular. Must suck to be you.

 

[TERRASTAR18]

Where do you get 3 million from? Why does it have to be that amount?

Under Florida divorce laws, there is equitable distribution of marital assets acquired during the marriage. We don't know the legal settlement route they took, because she could have accepted a lump sump alimony payout, or he could be paying her ongoing alimony.

i pulled the number out of my head, my point is, it's hard to feel sorry for someone who while she was still "grieving" was still trying to get as much as she could.

 

[The Dark King]

I don't get your argument now. So he should give up golf to be a father?
Or quality time is defined as only play time?

Seriously? So while he's chipping and putting, what happens if the kid wants to play hide and seek. Or chasey. or squirt gun, or fly a kite with Dad, or jump all over him like a jungle gym, or have dad spin him or toss him, throw a ball with him.....Kids know the difference, you know, when a parent is focused and fully engaged with them. You can't fool them.

And I don't fully believe he built a full golf course on his property to practice and be with his kids. More like, so he can practice in private. That sounds about right.

Am I missing something here...we are discussing Tiger and the limited time he has to spend with his kids. What you did was analogize him to you, who does find watching your kids chase grandpa on the green quality time. Fine, however this isn't about your world, because Tiger cannot afford that kind of luxury if he is to either maintain being the best, or retake his crown of being the best.

Despite all the credit you give yourself as an amateur golfer and who has had people tell you you could play pro, the fact remains, you are not pro and you do not live the demands day in and day out of what the TOP player in Golf does.
Using Jack as an example doesn't apply because he's been married 50 years and was never compelled to split-time with his young child. Furthermore, you gave no indication how long this child was on the green with him, so either he spent all his time with his kid on the green or very little and they removed his child at some point from the practice.

My point was, if you have your kids for a limited time as part of the custodial agreement, building a golf course to practice as a means to spend time with your kids, sorry, that's not quality to me. I'm pretty confident that when the kids are dropped off and they see and run to dad, the last thing they want is to have dad grab a putting iron to combine 'playtime" with them.

 

[Bliss]

I don't get your argument now. So he should give up golf to be a father?
Or quality time is defined as only play time?

No - and you are coming in the middle of it..follow the conversation arrows back several, where Loki challenged a comment I made...

Loki said practicing your craft/career and dually having your child present IS quality custody time for a child. I say it is NOT.

 

[goodlove]

With all due respect you have no idea what level I am on golf wise, it sounds as if you know very little about the game. For the record I have been a + handicap for many years, have won amateur tournaments against PGA teaching pros and have been told multiple times by those who know that I have the talent to play professionally. I certainly would never compare myself to Tiger or even an average touring pro, but one of my goals is to play the champions tour, so I DO in fact know what it takes to practice and play at the PGA level.

A quote from Jack Nicklaus on how he would practice his putting when his kids were small, from Golf Digest.

"The following day little Jackie came out to help me. He putted with me on the practice green at La Quinta, and he knows exactly how to go about it. He puts the ball down about four inches from the cup, and I knock it in from there."

Classic example of quality time between father and son and real practice.
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There are all kinds of ways to practice while interacting with others, before he had kids tiger would often say that his best practice sessions were when he was playing with buddies, breaks up the monotony of beating balls on the range. Now clearly there is a time for distraction free practice, swing changes, film sessions, working your way out of a slump, ect. but there can be great quality time spent with the kids on the course, and still have that time be effective practice wise, especially chipping and putting.

Seriously? So while he's chipping and putting, what happens if the kid wants to play hide and seek. Or chasey. or squirt gun, or fly a kite with Dad, or jump all over him like a jungle gym, or have dad spin him or toss him, throw a ball with him.....Kids know the difference, you know, when a parent is focused and fully engaged with them. You can't fool them.

And I don't fully believe he built a full golf course on his property to practice and be with his kids. More like, so he can practice in private. That sounds about right.

Am I missing something here...we are discussing Tiger and the limited time he has to spend with his kids. What you did was analogize him to you, who does find watching your kids chase grandpa on the green quality time. Fine, however this isn't about your world, because Tiger cannot afford that kind of luxury if he is to either maintain being the best, or retake his crown of being the best.

Despite all the credit you give yourself as an amateur golfer and who has had people tell you you could play pro, the fact remains, you are not pro and you do not live the demands day in and day out of what the TOP player in Golf does.
Using Jack as an example doesn't apply because he's been married 50 years and was never compelled to split-time with his young child. Furthermore, you gave no indication how long this child was on the green with him, so either he spent all his time with his kid on the green or very little and they removed his child at some point from the practice.

My point was, if you have your kids for a limited time as part of the custodial agreement, building a golf course to practice as a means to spend time with your kids, sorry, that's not quality to me. I'm pretty confident that when the kids are dropped off and they see and run to dad, the last thing they want is to have dad grab a putting iron to combine 'playtime" with them.

because he is tiger he cant stop and play. his time is flexible. he can tell when the kids want to do something else and he can drop the club. what when you have a child do you stop working at YOUR job and watch the kids. no. you do it when you get off of work and play then. father time can consist of anything . going fishing for example.....what if the kids in the middle of fishing want to go chucky cheese or something ? well you could change it up but does it make it less fatherly to take them fishing? just because you dont golf doesnt mean its not quality time

 

[The Dark King]

No - and you are coming in the middle of it..follow the conversation arrows back several, where Loki challenged a comment I made...

Loki said practicing your craft/career and dually having your child present IS quality custody time for a child. I say it is NOT.

Isn't that subjective? Most kids are in their own world. I use to "help" my mom cook which entailed me playing with dough for an hour while she really cooked but it was fun to be with my mom. Just like my cousins use to help me clean which entailed them playing with feather dusters while I really cleaned. Kids don't really care what they do with you as long as you're with them in my opinion.
Besides who knows what they do after practice. It could be 8 hrs of time with nanny while he practices and then daddy and me time. The man still has to earn a living.

 

[Bliss]

i pulled the number out of my head, my point is, it's hard to feel sorry for someone who while she was still "grieving" was still trying to get as much as she could.

Sorry, I missed that part. Can you show me where she said that? For all we know, Tigers lawyers told her lawyers, "look here's such and such amount offer on the table".

I think she will always grieve the loss of her marriage, as she mentioned. At some point however, she had to tend to the divorce aspect of it. Legally, that meant equitable distribution had to be addressed.

 

[The Dark King]

Sorry, I missed that part. Can you show me where she said that? For all we know, Tigers lawyers told her lawyers, "look here's such and such amount offer on the table".

I think she will always grieve the loss of her marriage, as she mentioned. At some point however, she had to tend to the divorce aspect of it. Legally, that meant equitable distribution had to be addressed.

Lmbao@ equitable distribution. The fact you think millions is equitable is truly hilarious. Well this a great lesson to men everywhere. If you ain't no chump holla we want prenups.

 

[goodlove]

Isn't that subjective? Most kids are in their own world. I use to "help" my mom cook which entailed me playing with dough for an hour while she really cooked but it was fun to be with my mom. Just like my cousins use to help me clean which entailed them playing with feather dusters while I really cleaned. Kids don't really care what they do with you as long as you're with them in my opinion.
Besides who knows what they do after practice. It could be 8 hrs of time with nanny while he practices and then daddy and me time. The man still has to earn a living.

well stated. who decides what is quality time and what isnt ?

 

[goodlove]

Lmbao@ equitable distribution. The fact you think millions is equitable is truly hilarious. Well this a great lesson to men everywhere. If you ain't no chump holla we want prenups.

LOL. hey now a days women are making as much money as men are.....if a dude is going thru a divorce his ass better go for alimony....eeerrr like chers exhusband did and federline. hell people jumped un kfed but they wouldnt do that shit on women huh.

kfed is my hero. LOL

 

[The Dark King]

LOL. hey now a days women are making as much money as men are.....if a dude is going thru a divorce his ass better go for alimony....eeerrr like chers exhusband did and federline. hell people jumped un kfed but they wouldnt do that shit on women huh.

kfed is my hero. LOL

Its just interesting how wifely duties are directly proportionate to what the man makes. If it were a plumber she'd be getting far less so following that logic their work has no true value on its own since its determined by how much the man makes. It all seems like a big scam by lawyers and courts to me.

 

[TERRASTAR18]

would anyone care to speculate on how much money elin could have profited from her story? interviews? evidence? cellphone records? accounts of tigers dirty deeds? books? the magazines pay big money for these stories...dirt on famous people...i prefer to go with the rest of the intelligent women on the forum and say he bought her silence...elin's silence nipped tiger's misery...she could have continued to punish him for years by stirring the pot...period end of story!

but isn't that the point....no matter how you look at it her role was as a pseudo employee at tiger woods inc, not some heartbroken wife. love or no love, she like stevie williams, his ing agent etc, see tiger if not wholly, but partially as dollar signs. maybe there is affection, but not marital love.

 

[goodlove]

Its just interesting how wifely duties are directly proportionate to what the man makes. If it were a plumber she'd be getting far less so following that logic their work has no true value on its own since its determined by how much the man makes. It all seems like a big scam by lawyers and courts to me.

hell, alimony can be viewed in different directions witha bunch of "if this or if that". no, discussion on child support but alimony is suspect..especially if she was working the whole time. no woman deserves alimony if she was working during the marriage.If she does get alimony it should be because he is part of the 1%

the court system especially the divorce court is not for the average person....especially men.

 

[Bliss]

Isn't that subjective? Most kids are in their own world. I use to "help" my mom cook which entailed me playing with dough for an hour while she really cooked but it was fun to be with my mom. Just like my cousins use to help me clean which entailed them playing with feather dusters while I really cleaned. Kids don't really care what they do with you as long as you're with them in my opinion.
Besides who knows what they do after practice. It could be 8 hrs of time with nanny while he practices and then daddy and me time. The man still has to earn a living.

Where was your dad? And is your mom a professional chef, also?
Again with the equating of normal or average lives to that of someone in the top tier of their field. If your mother spent 99% her time cooking and baking all day to be or stay as the top chef in the country, do you think you would not have tired of always sharing your time with mom and her cooking. Is that fair to a child? How present and engaged would a parent really be?

Better yet - think of your man Jay-Z divorced, and him telling the world he's cutting back on being in the studio to spend more time with his kid during visits, so he then builds a studio in his house so he could spend time with his child and practice beats. It's selfish. It's disengaging. You can not convince me otherwise. If you are cutting back to spend more time during your custody time, put the iron down, put the knives away, close the studio up for the night.

 

[goodlove]

Where was your dad? And is your mom a professional chef, also?
Again with the equating of normal or average lives to that of someone in the top tier of their field. If your mother spent 99% her time cooking and baking all day to be or stay as the top chef in the country, do you think you would not have tired of always sharing your time with mom and her cooking. Is that fair to a child? How present and engaged would a parent really be?

Better yet - think of your man Jay-Z divorced, and him telling the world he's cutting back on being in the studio to spend more time with his kid during visits, so he builds a studio in his house so he could spend time with his child and practice beats. It's selfish. It's disengaging. You can not convince me otherwise. If you are cutting back to spend more time during your custody time, put the iron down, put the knives away, close the studio up for the night.

if you dont get it then you will never ever get it.

 

[wtarshi]

i will have to say that i agree with kuni on this. if you do not have the children on a full-time basis, you should make sure that the time you spend with them is quality time where you concentrate only on them and their needs. my ex used to drag our kids around with him when he had them, to work and would be on the phone for work as well...the kids HATE it.

 

[TERRASTAR18]

Sorry, I missed that part. Can you show me where she said that? For all we know, Tigers lawyers told her lawyers, "look here's such and such amount offer on the table".

I think she will always grieve the loss of her marriage, as she mentioned. At some point however, she had to tend to the divorce aspect of it. Legally, that meant equitable distribution had to be addressed.

nobody said she had to take it which is the point.....she wanted the lifestyle she had kept up. you think she couldn't have live off 10 mill? she wanted 100 mil plain and simple. easy to get over grief with more money.

 

[Bliss]

because he is tiger he cant stop and play. his time is flexible. he can tell when the kids want to do something else and he can drop the club. what when you have a child do you stop working at YOUR job and watch the kids. no. you do it when you get off of work and play then. father time can consist of anything . going fishing for example.....what if the kids in the middle of fishing want to go chucky cheese or something ? well you could change it up but does it make it less fatherly to take them fishing? just because you dont golf doesnt mean its not quality time

Dude, are you reading the posts being made here? Precisely because he IS Tiger he doesn't have the luxury not to be on his game. Loki said Tiger announced he's cutting back on practicing SO he can spend more time with his kids, and that Tiger then built a course so he can practice and be with his kids. As I asked, how is that quality time?

As I said, I personally think the real reason he built it is to practice in private away from the paps cameras and side-eyes of other golfers.

 

[goodlove]

i will have to say that i agree with kuni on this. if you do not have the children on a full-time basis, you should make sure that the time you spend with them is quality time where you concentrate only on them and their needs. my ex used to drag our kids around with him when he had them, to work and would be on the phone for work as well...the kids HATE it.

she is very wrong. tiger and the average joe is way different. tiger was intorduced to golf at a young age. five if Im not mistakened. he had a plastic club as we all did . I had one and I played with it and loved it. cant gold worth a damn but I remember and seen pics of them. he would be doing the samething with his kid. so different from which you are talking. even if he did take them to the office...kudos to him. It may not be your idea of quality time but it is what it is