Trayvon Martin's Murder

Archman said:
Andre,
It was not a comparison,..... I was specifically pointing out, on a broader scale, the contrast and disparity in black outrage when the victims and perpetrators are both black.........
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Arch, you're right and there is sometimes a disparity, but I think some of that has to do with the fact that in many of those cases the crime is linked to criminal activity on the part of both perpetrator and victim. Outrage is often greater when the victim is innocent or a non-criminal. All human life has value, but I think that assessment plays a role in public perception.
 
Archman said:
Andre,
It was not a comparison,..... I was specifically pointing out, on a broader scale, the contrast and disparity in black outrage when the victims and perpetrators are both black.........
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The difference is every single race gets killed by their own so specifically trying wage a war against black on black crime seems futile. The outrage not only comes from the death but how it was handled in this case. Like its been said before black perps dont get away with murdering people. The justice system is efficient as hell in that respect but when the perp is white and victim is black suddenly things dont work too well. Dudes mom had to llaunch a facebook campaign just for law enforcement to do their jobs properly
 
orejon4 said:
Arch, you're right and there is sometimes a disparity, but I think some of that has to do with the fact that in many of those cases the crime is linked to criminal activity on the part of both perpetrator and victim. Outrage is often greater when the victim is innocent or a non-criminal. All human life has value, but I think that assessment plays a role in public perception.
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You make a very good point, particularly on the public perception.

Also, while there may be greater outrage when the victim is not linked to criminal activity, often there is a lack of prosecution as a result of witnesses failing or refusing to come forward. This has not gone unnoticed by law enforcement. And in those instances, no amount of door to door pleading - let alone Facebook protesting by the victim's parents, will find justice for their child.
 
Bliss said:
You make a very good point, particularly on the public perception.

Also, while there may be greater outrage when the victim is not linked to criminal activity, often there is a lack of prosecution as a result of witnesses failing or refusing to come forward. This has not gone unnoticed by law enforcement. And in those instances, no amount of door to door pleading - let alone Facebook protesting by the victim's parents, will find justice for their child.
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This is a very good point. People who live in areas with a lot of gang activity know better than to talk. Even if it was an instance of one perp and one victim, should a witness come forward and talk about it..that arm will reach long and find its way into that witnesses family.

I'm sure both sides feel a hopelessness. The police bc they are stonewalled (and for good reason) and the people not directly related to the crime that would pay a price too heavy to make a statement worth it.
 
I agree with you guys. I'm not a fan of those ridiculous 'Stop Snitching' campaigns, but the authorities don't have to live in these communities after giving testimony or a statement. You almost need Witness Protection for every crime involving any form of violence.
 
orejon4 said:
I agree with you guys. I'm not a fan of those ridiculous 'Stop Snitching' campaigns, but the authorities don't have to live in these communities after giving testimony or a statement. You almost need Witness Protection for every crime involving any form of violence.
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THANK YOU

'stop snitching' is something that cops allow to persist, because like you said, the authorities don't live there.

if witnesses were guaranteed due vigilance, people would come forward with no problem
 
pettyofficerj said:
THANK YOU

'stop snitching' is something that cops allow to persist, because like you said, the authorities don't live there.

if witnesses were guaranteed due vigilance, people would come forward with no problem
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Don't even know if that would work. The cops do and have offered protection for witnesses...however in one recent case, while the witness was in hiding, they shot up his mother's house. His mother refused to move. Cops can't always protect extended families...it becomes an issue of expense, man power, etc.

"Due-vigilance" is a band-aid on a gun-shot wound. In the end, it's a few punks versus 1000's of law-abiding citizens. These emboldened criminals have to be run out of town by the community people they stalk, not harbored out of fear.
 
Bliss said:
Don't even know if that would work. The cops do and have offered protection for witnesses....but in one recent case, while the witness was in hiding, they shot up his mother's house. His mother refused to move. Cops can't always protect extended families...it becomes an issue of expense, man power...

"Due-vigilance" is a band-aid on a gun-shot wound. In the end, it's a few punks versus 1000's of law-abiding citizens. These emboldened criminals have to be run out of town by the community people they stalk, not harbored out of fear.
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I was going to add this morning that I've watched the segments which focus on communities that were terrorized and the stories are really amazing. It's has to be damn scary to stand up to these people, but the whole scene thrives on fear. So I guess they make a choice between living in fear and silence or living in fear and bringing a positive change.

One community worked to get it all out of the neighborhood by showing which houses were lived in by gang members..they got so much negative attention that it forced them all to move.
 
Alinoa said:
I was going to add this morning that I've watched the segments which focus on communities that were terrorized and the stories are really amazing. It's has to be damn scary to stand up to these people, but the whole scene thrives on fear. So I guess they make a choice between living in fear and silence or living in fear and bringing a positive change.

One community worked to get it all out of the neighborhood by showing which houses were lived in by gang members..they got so much negative attention that it forced them all to move.
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I think I actually remember seeing/hearing about that. The heat was too hot and they bounced.

You're right about the power of fear, or perceived fear. The "what if ..?" mind game can paralyze a tongue. For my own safety I wouldn't care, but if they threatened my family I'd probably remain quiet. Ugh, what a horrible dilemma.

Another remedy is surveillance cameras. It takes the onus off the eyewitness and does the speaking for the crime. However a recent audit in our city for example showed that they eyes-in-the-sky were non-functioning - only an embarrassing expose motivated the city to suddenly find the funds to fix them.

Then there's community watch groups...aannnd damn....this actually brings us full circle, since this thread is what happened with a gung-ho 'watch captain'. :-?
 
Bliss said:
I think I actually remember seeing/hearing about that. The heat was too hot and they bounced.

You're right about the power of fear, or perceived fear. The "what if ..?" mind game can paralyze a speaking tongue. For my own safety I wouldn't care, but if they threatened my family, I'd probably remain quiet. Ugh, what a horrible dilemma.

Another remedy is surveillance cameras. It takes the onus off the eyewitness and does the speaking for the crime. However a recent audit in our city for example showed that they eyes-in-the-sky were non-functioning - only an embarrassing expose motivated the city to suddenly find the funds to fix them.
Then there are community watch groups...aannnd damn....this actually brings us full circle, since this thread is what happened with a gung-ho 'watch captain'. :-?
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I was just on facebook and came across a post by one of the groups I belong to..in it, apparently, Zimmerman said he felt no remorse for shooting Martin because it was gods will that lead him there.

Really?
Can't people come up with a better fucking excuse already?
When they were crazy over supposed witches, it was gods will then too.

It gets old. The same excuse in 2012 that they used in the 1600's
 
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Yeah, we posted pretty much the same thing at the same exact time.
Frederick just posted that video I think you are referring to.

Alinoa said:
I was just on facebook and came across a post by one of the groups I belong to..in it, apparently, Zimmerman said he felt no remorse for shooting Martin because it was gods will that lead him there.

Really?
Can't people come up with a better fucking excuse already?
When they were crazy over supposed witches, it was gods will then too.

It gets old. The same excuse in 2012 that they used in the 1600's
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Zimmerman is crazy. He needs to see a shrink and be put on psych meds, which makes me wonder if he isn't going to claim some kind of mental defect during the trial.

'God's plan' led you to shoot an unarmed kid??
Wow.:rolleyes:
 
andreboba said:
Zimmerman is crazy. He needs to see a shrink and be put on psych meds, which makes me wonder if he isn't going to claim some kind of mental defect during the trial.

'God's plan' led you to shoot an unarmed kid??
Wow.:rolleyes:
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That is the exact angle I think he's going for.
Anyone who plays that card has to be insane.
 
Alinoa said:
I was just on facebook and came across a post by one of the groups I belong to..in it, apparently, Zimmerman said he felt no remorse for shooting Martin because it was gods will that lead him there.

Really?
Can't people come up with a better fucking excuse already?
When they were crazy over supposed witches, it was gods will then too.

It gets old. The same excuse in 2012 that they used in the 1600's
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Bliss said:
Wow. Whose plan?? What plan? He's arrogant and delusional.
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andreboba said:
Zimmerman is crazy. He needs to see a shrink and be put on psych meds, which makes me wonder if he isn't going to claim some kind of mental defect during the trial.

'God's plan' led you to shoot an unarmed kid??
Wow.:rolleyes:
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Alinoa said:
That is the exact angle I think he's going for.
Anyone who plays that card has to be insane.
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If it was the Abrahamic Judeo-Christian God(more specfically of the Old Testament in the Bible) that Zimmerman was referring to, then I wouldn't put it past him to do that because he's pretty cruel and sadistic in his own right.

With that said, Zimmerman really needs to take responsibility and accountability for his own actions and stop blaming it on a(in my eyes)non-existent deity.
 
ThePrince said:
If it was the Abrahamic Judeo-Christian God(more specfically of the Old Testament in the Bible) that Zimmerman was referring to, then I wouldn't put it past him to do that because he's pretty cruel and sadistic in his own right.

With that said, Zimmerman really needs to take responsibility and accountability for his own actions and stop blaming it on a(in my eyes)non-existent deity.
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Non-existent in the sense that you can't disprove and I can't prove it. Two billion people beg to differ.
 
The Dark Knight said:
Of his oen admission he followed an unsrmed teenager with a gun based on nothing more than his appearence. I know the burden of proof is on the state but his actions made it easy. Even if its not a hate crime it sure as hell is murder and I hope the fucker fries
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im with u on that

pettyofficerj said:
Dude aint even white

That's the kicker
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dont have to be white to be a racist
BlkCasanova said:
And yet he was cleared of any type of hate crime by the FBI...so the "white man seeking out black teen and executing him" angle needs to be shut the fuck down. People WANT to make this a race issue because it makes more headlines.
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true but it was the cops that made appear to be a race issue
 
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