orejon4
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No, goodlove. You honor us all by your selfless service, regardless of the injustice of the nation itself. The shame is on the governors, not the governed.
Trayvon Martin's Murder
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No, goodlove. You honor us all by your selfless service, regardless of the injustice of the nation itself. The shame is on the governors, not the governed.
archangel
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I feel that the problem is the evidence. Unless you have a video recording, it becomes a case of he said he said with no proof of who started it. You basically have to be armed on the streets now unless there are videos.
Alinoa
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Um...if you are presumed innocent until found not guilty, right?
He will spend no time in prison for INSTIGATING this boys murder.
So, in all respects, he's innocent.
He's not. But in an American court of law.
orejon4
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England has those cc cameras EVERYWHERE. You spit on the street in London and they can mail you a ticket. But as we saw with Rodney King, even video evidence can be controverted if you can paint the defendant as sufficiently menacing to those confronting him.
Mikey
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Guess I was right. Rachel did too much damage to the Prosecution's case. They really needed someone else to speak on her behalf, as I implied before. The case just increases anti-black sentiment (due to both Martin and Jeantal) and creates another nationwide discussion about how gun control and self-defense should be regulated.
Oh well - take the loss and move on.
And whoever neg-repped me should have the Webmaster erase it because that person has no claim now to make.
Oh well - take the loss and move on.
And whoever neg-repped me should have the Webmaster erase it because that person has no claim now to make.
archangel
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Was he found not guilty or found Innocent?
Just because I don't have enough evidence doesn't mean I think you are innocent.
I don't know. I am not law school. So I could be wrong.
archangel
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I doubt it was her. I have been in a jury in Florida. The problem is the evidence. It was going to go down with or without her as not guilty under the most intelligent of people. She simply made it worse. lol
Alinoa
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Me too.
I just think the law is supposed to be based on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. He was found not guilty. So I'm assuming that would mean he is stilled presumed innocent.
Mikey
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It did look like a 50/50 chance of Zimmerman getting convicted (at first). Her testimony did in fact lower the probability of the state winning its case and somehow many supporters of Trayvon Martin couldn't see that.
If Trayvon Martin was still alive and told his side of the story, it may have made a difference in the case. Part of the problem also was that some of the witnesses kind of sided with Zimmerman's account of what happened.
Did all 6 of the jurors vote "not guilty" or did some vote "guilty" while others voted "not guilty"?
orejon4
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True. Another day in the USA. There have been many like this and there will be many more like this in the future. Just grin and bear it.
Mikey
Well-Known Member
Hey Stumper - you were completely right about the case. Kudos to what you were saying here.
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archangel
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No, I don't think it is that clear cut. I'm hoping orejon4 can point out if they are the same or not.
Alinoa
New Member
Or Loki...
archangel
Well-Known Member
Where do you see 50/50? They can't prove either guy's story. That's doubt. He was going to walk. No one but Trayvon and Zimmerman knew what happened. One is dead and the other refused to testify.
archangel
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Either one will do. I just didn't see loki up.
orejon4
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A pretty good indication that defense counsel knew his testimony under oath would hurt his case. I will defer to Loki on the distinction, however. I'm just dumbfounded that they didn't return a guilty verdict on manslaughter at least, since they judge allowed them to consider that. I was skeptical about finding a jury that would convict on a murder charge from the start, even though I felt he was guilty.
Archman
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Mikey,
It is asinine to continue to assign that much blame solely to Rachel Jeantel .....she exited the scene early enough for testimony to be forgotten. ...
andreboba
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The standard is REASONABLE DOUBT, not 'beyond a shadow of a doubt', meaning is it reasonable to assume a scared teenager being followed on his way home by a stranger in a car is the one really responsible for the minor fight that ensued and his own murder???
I hope every Black man of age in Florida applies for a concealed carry permit and always leaves the crib strapped.
Just to even the odds.
These yokels couldn't even find it in their narrow minds to find Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter.
This verdict implies EVERY ONE of Zimmerman's actions that night were fair and justified.
Got it.
If anyone has a doubt about the institutional and cultural racism that still is rampant throughout American society, no Black man in a million years would be found innocent of the same charges if it was an unarmed White teen who was murdered by a self appointed neighborhood watch captain named Leroy.
Not really that surprised by the verdict.
If you actually SEE how nervous some White people get merely in the presence of an adult Black male, which has happened to me personally since the age of 14, it's not a stretch to convince of jury of 6 women-fuck that 'mother' shit-that Trayvon's ghost might rise up from the grave and knock Zimmerman out.
Is this fucker going to write a book now???:smt107