Random Conversation 2.0

Thanks, y'all.

Thanks, MS. I know it's harder for some to get or to be open to understanding where others are coming from, but I try not be one to give up hope.

Yeah, human nature in general sucks, especially when love & respect are in short supply in this world.

Great post, FG; I agree 100%.

I love this community too, and I want the WWBM family dynamic to be a healthy & supportive one. Things have been out of balance & unheathly for far too long, and I'm beyond ready to for things to improve. I've had enough of the 'us vs them' & the 'damned if we don't, damned if we do' crap that gets thrown at us too often around here. That's why women don't participate as much as they used to, and why some awesome women have left the board altogether.

I know I haven't been participating the way I used to, because I got tired of the hostility toward women, the redundant arguing, and the blatant lack of respect some have for the other members. It's had me feeling like it's pointless to bother, so I stopped bothering. Now I say, fuck that. I love this site & the majority of its members, and I'm done letting those who use it as a platform for their hate & bullshit keep me from participating & enjoying what this site was meant for whether they like it or not.

Thank you, Christine.

Thanks, Jaisee. I hope so too.

Thanks, fellas. The stought still counts.

Thanks, Bookie, I appreciate it.

Agreed. All the "one up" crap needs to stop.

Great post, Lippy. Thank you.

Great post all around, especially this part.

lmao. Yep

Exactly. There's always someone who has it better, and there's always someone who has it worse. It sucks, but that's life.

 

Thanks, TDK. Considering oneself progressive is a good thing, but one has to bear in mind that a progressive mentality is required for that. Not being open-minded or open to listening to what others have to say or dismissing other's points of view based on things that don't determine the value of their contribution also hinders progressiveness. If someone wants to be treated like a person and not being reduced to just race or gender, that person has to treat others that way; some of the people on this board just don't seem to understand that concept.

Whether you realize it or not, you tend to read things into what others say that usually aren't there. I don't know if it's just cynicism, pessimism, a bad experience which makes you guarded, or what, but you often react as though someone is coming at you sideways when that's not the case. I want to believe that it's not your intention to be so hostile toward the ladies (and sometimes others), but whether it's your intention or not, it does happen a lot. You also have a tendency to try to dictate conversations either by turning them into something that they're not or by pushing your own point of view as the only point of view there should be, which is never conducive to a healthy discussion. When that happens & people disagree with your opinion and/or approach, you tend to get upset & lash out accusing them of hating on you, which is rarely the case...people don't have to agree with you to like or respect you. It's like you have an obsessive need to argue and always be right/win and to hobby-ride certain issues into the ground, and it's not doing you any favors, because all it does is alienate people and hinder open & honest dialogue. As you like to say, you're smarter than that, so please stop being your own worst enemy.

Believe it or not, the women here are more than aware of what BM go through in life, and we do our best to show our love and support, especially in more trying times/situations. It's nothing short of a slap in the face to be told that we just don't get it and that we just or can't truly care due to being white & female, because that's the furthest thing from the truth. The men who have that messed up attitude need to recognize and respect that and give us the same consideration in return. We are NOT the enemy. That's why there's no need for your soapbox here...like Satchmo said, we don't need Sharpton preaching to the white women in the choir. We wouldn't be here if we weren't on the BM's side. Please try to keep that in mind as it would benefit you, the other members, and the site itself.

It would also help to remember what this site is all about, and that it's for both BM & WW.

 

Excellent post, wise & wonderful Christine!!!

Agreed. No one is trivializing anyone else's struggle or bringing out the oppression measuring stick in this conversation except for one individual. There is absolutely no reason we should have to limit the oppression discussion to just BM, because this site is for all of us and we all should be able discuss our struggles.

Don't you dare "stop bothering"! Don't give in to that crap; we've stopped bothering long enough! To hell with the sausage fest/woe is me party/oppression olymics on "bmbm.com"...if they want a sausage fest, they can start their own damn website, and we can spend our time & energy interacting with the men on here who do love, respect, and appreciate us & where we're coming from.

The sad thing is, he's not winning anything even when he "wins".

Amen.

Yep, it sure is.

 

I have no interest in either one, so I guess I'd pick the earrings to sell them and use the money to go somewhere else.

 

Aww...thanks, Bookie; you rock, too! :freehug:

I'd like to travel the world, but France isn't high on my list of stops.