I remember A Man Called Hawk, it was the spin off of the Spenser For Hire series which changes from Boston to Washington, DC. In the Spenser books by Robert B. Parker, Hawk was a mysterious man. He was strong, silent,imposing and he threatened quietly. But, he was also an intelligent and philosophical man who didn't trust "The Man" but he trusted Spenser and would back him up anytime he needed him. In the series, Hawk's secret was revealed. He worked for a government agency as a fixer. But, after hanging out with Spenser, he became a private investigator. Hawk was of the mindset that he could do fine without help or assistance from white America. He was self-reliant. Self-reliant was what Malcolm X wanted the black community to become. He followed his own path and played by his own rules. We don't have to be Hawk. But, we can learn and lead by example. It is said that you should never let the Devil win. It would serve all of us best if we at least heed that advice.
Black men vs black men
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I remember A Man Called Hawk, it was the spin off of the Spenser For Hire series which changes from Boston to Washington, DC. In the Spenser books by Robert B. Parker, Hawk was a mysterious man. He was strong, silent,imposing and he threatened quietly. But, he was also an intelligent and philosophical man who didn't trust "The Man" but he trusted Spenser and would back him up anytime he needed him. In the series, Hawk's secret was revealed. He worked for a government agency as a fixer. But, after hanging out with Spenser, he became a private investigator. Hawk was of the mindset that he could do fine without help or assistance from white America. He was self-reliant. Self-reliant was what Malcolm X wanted the black community to become. He followed his own path and played by his own rules. We don't have to be Hawk. But, we can learn and lead by example. It is said that you should never let the Devil win. It would serve all of us best if we at least heed that advice.
Alinoa
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Trust not your government
It isn't "yours" or mine....
Not anymore.
You know that.
90% of all murders of blacks in the last 40 years have been commited by...
Other blacks.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
This isn't a fucking gov't thing. This is a cultural thing. Like Michael Ray said, the "Snitches get stitches" mentality bullshit needs to go. We need black leaders OTHER than Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who don't give a SHIT about any of you negros and instead only care about lining their pockets.
Other blacks.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
This isn't a fucking gov't thing. This is a cultural thing. Like Michael Ray said, the "Snitches get stitches" mentality bullshit needs to go. We need black leaders OTHER than Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who don't give a SHIT about any of you negros and instead only care about lining their pockets.
The Dark King
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And its probably the same rate for every other race yet you expect blacks to police our own areas while every other tax payer is allowed to felt on the actual police.
The Dark King
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So in order to stop black on black its going to require private citizens like me to do what then?
william2382
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It's not same for other groups. Again when 12% of the population is half the murders in the nation...something is wrong. Not sure why you seem to think you are personally attacked when we it's a conversation about a dangerous aspect of a culture ?
The Dark King
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I meant that im sure that 90% of all murder victims from other races are probably killed by people of their own race as well. We arent unique in that. Also take this into consideration if bm are four times as likely to be unemployed than everyone else it might account for such a high prison rate.
Alinoa
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Educate?
Mentor?
Teach personal responsibility.
Be an example.
Dude, I don't know.
But obviously waiting around for "someone" else to do "something is t making it any better.
Hey! Did you know they just legally opened hunting season on black youth in Florida?
Alls you need is a gun permit, a black youth, and a loaded fire arm.
Archman
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We also need blackmen to live under the same roof of the children they have fathered.....better yet consider marrying the mother....Statistics every where show that when both parents are in the home like back in the 40's & 50's, it is a tremendous advantage to the black youth who intern thrive well in all areas.....
A study showed that when people from ALL walks of society came upon a black youth who was clean-cut, humble and respectful, the impulse more times than not was to hug, help, educationally support and contribute to the betterment of that youth....
That same study showed that when approached by black-youth with that distinctive inner city urban thug look however, these same people initially exhibited fear and further were unwilling to reach-out to that youth in any capacity....
Now the point is that the clean-cut, humble and respectful demeanor would be best cultivated in a home with both parents honing, polishing and instilling traits in a black young mind that would be malleable and teachable.....
For a population component of 13%, if Black American spawned just one full generation with those traits, it would change the course of Black prosperity in addition to how Blacks are perceived in this country forever........The current state of our problems are too complex and deep-rooted.....If any change is to come, it will have to begin in the home with a new generation........
Bliss
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Just to note on the fatherless point - and this isn't race specific, more a humanistic point... I recall hearing that 40% of households are now headed by a single parent. So it has increased tremendously from the 2006-7 stat below....
"Over 2 million prisoners are held in federal and state prisons or local jails which gives the U.S. one-quarter of the world’s 8 million prisoners. Currently, there are almost 1.6 million people being held under State or Federal Jurisdiction.
78% of the nation's jail and prison inmates grew up in a fatherless household, even though only 15% of today's adult population grew up without a father."
(Obviously it does not include fathers that are present and IN their child's life, but rather absent fathers.)
...Because as we see above and even below, fathers are NOT dispensable. Peep the incredible impact they make to a child's life -
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes --14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average. (Rainbows for All God’s Children)
70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988 )
85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)
"Clearly, fathers represent a lot more than just a paycheck to a child; they represent safety, protection, guidance, friendship, and someone to look up to."
http://fallenfathers.blogspot.com/2007/03/children-without-fathers-statistics.html
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I wonder if fathers feel that they are not as important as they ACTUALLY are?
And if so, what can be done to reverse that?
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jaisee
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Alinoa hit on it and Stumpy hit on it.
It's not about vigilante'ism. There is a LOT of work that needs to be done.
At the root, I think blacks need a culture that they can identify with. It was intentionally robbed from us and black youth are left with nothing to identify themselves with. We shun education, we shun diversity, we shun personal and spiritual growth... all because 'that ain't black'. I remember my first trip overseas, my friends said "Why the hell you want to go to Germany? Black people don't go to Germany." When I mention I want to go to Africa "Why would you want to go to Africa? That's the last place I would want to go."
We are not a proud people anymore... at least, not proud for the right reasons. We boast about which of our cities has the highest murder rate. Once we know who we are, where we come from, the GIANTS whose shoulders we stand on. I'm talking people like Kwame Toure, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Angela Davis, Marcus Garvey, Nelson Mandela, Fred Hampton, and so on and so on and so on.
We are not a unified people anymore. There was much more symbolism in Tommie Smith and John Carlos salute at the '68 Olympics alone than anything that I can think of unifying the black community in the past 10 years.
Lets take a look at what the Black Panther party contributed to the black community. It doesn't have to be anything on this scale, but there are definitely programs that we can all participate in. Big Brother, Big Sister for example? Most churches have youth mentoring programs. It may be too late for most of this generation, but there is still a generation of impressionable youth in dire need of direction from brothers just like yourself.
Don't forget love and pride. I'm always touched when I hear a young man say that his role model or best friend is his dad.
Loki
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I think it's time for a little balance in the whole "Black crime is out of control" discussion. Very interesting article below.
"Nor are African-Americans especially criminal. If they were, you would still see high rates of crime among blacks, even as the nation sees a historic decline in criminal offenses. Instead, crime rates among African-Americans, and black youth in particular, have taken a sharp drop. In Washington, D.C., for example, fewer than 10 percent of black youth are in a gang, have sold drugs, have carried a gun, or have stolen more than $100 in goods."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ing-and-the-myth-of-black-on-black-crime.html
"Nor are African-Americans especially criminal. If they were, you would still see high rates of crime among blacks, even as the nation sees a historic decline in criminal offenses. Instead, crime rates among African-Americans, and black youth in particular, have taken a sharp drop. In Washington, D.C., for example, fewer than 10 percent of black youth are in a gang, have sold drugs, have carried a gun, or have stolen more than $100 in goods."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ing-and-the-myth-of-black-on-black-crime.html
I can't read the whole article now, but this sentence jumped out at me and my son made a similar point last night: "Crime is driven by proximity and opportunity, writes Jamelle Bouie—which is why 86 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders." But white people aren't standing around wringing their hands over this. So while, BOB crime is definitely a problem, it's not unique to the black community.
william2382
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If this way of thought makes some of you feel better I am not trying to attack your perception of reality....however along with being a cuddle whore...I am a bit of a statistics whore as well.....all should check out this book called "how to lie with statistic"
the Crime is down argument is somewhat true but its more of myth....for ex...Detroit once had 2 million people...now its 700,000...so yes...less murders...less gangs because there are less people....But the violence per capita stays the same....and while its true....all cultures kill one another at about a 90% ratio....other groups dont make up half the murder rate.'
When I say all this...I am not trying to degrade the culture....I am trying to alert people to a problem in the community...something that actually keeps getting worse....
Loki
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What culture? You speak as though all Black culture is one of dysfunction, with criminal elements. The OVERWHELMING percentage of Black people are law abiding, hard working, church going, striving to give their kids more than they had. Is there an "element" of Black culture that embraces the dysfunction, yes, just like every other culture. Given the unique and massive historical (and to some degree modern day) hurdles and inequities we as a people face it is no wonder that some of us are still struggling. Living in AZ, and having some exposure to Native Americans I see many of the same parallels in their culture as they were closest to experiencing the same treatment as Black people.
Back in the 1920's, crimes, (especially murder with organized crime) were disproportionately committed by Italians and Irish, when there was a MUCH higher backlash against those immigrants and employment, housing, and educational, doors were either closed to them or sub par. Hmmm, kind of sounds like much of what Black people are still experiencing today yes? Perhaps, this is not a "racial" issue at all.
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The Dark King
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Rep coming sir
william2382
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No matter how many times or ways I say I don't think all blacks are violent less than human people it just doesn't get thru. So no point beating a dead horse. Let me ask tho. Do the natives glorify the violence in their music? Is there outrage at all the single women raising several children? Are they 13% of the population and half the murdered? I am also curious but why is the older generation ESP downplay the in house violence in the community? I grew up in the crack era and have been cop for mnay years and proper fiction has always ostracized me from the culture so I see as an outsider in some ways. Really I see it as a human issue. These people just happen to look like me. One more travon ex and I won't bring it up again. There are many black killers that get off feed some not even charged. Why? No snitching. Yet no protest on that. Even when older people and small children are killed. The only one that talk are the ones that have ton of legal issues cops can use as leverage
The Dark King
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Ever take into consideration that while they makes up half the murder rate ever notice we are four times as likely to be unemployed. Once again I think its purely economic.
Loki
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What "Natives" are you speaking about? Once again, you speak as if ALL Black culture is one of crime, underachievement, ect. You have not been here long, but there have been multiple threads where the intelligent and caring members of this forum have debated not only the problems of single motherhood, violence in music, and the crime rate among the economically disadvantaged, (funny how the crime rates are strikingly similar if not lower for Black people compared to other ethnic groups, the higher up on the economic ladder they rise) but also offered solutions and related their own experiences of what they are doing to make a difference.
You speak of being ostracized from the "culture" because you were/are a cop and use proper diction, perhaps you have indeed been overly influenced by the very nature of your job. There is NO one Black culture, or Black experience. If you have not already, read some of Dr. Earl Ofari Hutchinson's books, he offers real insights into the problems and offers real-time, effective solutions.
The solutions are not difficult to identify, self respect, strong families, education, economic opportunities, embracing and promoting excellence in all aspects of life. We all know, that following these few things alone will go a long way in leading to a productive, well lived life. That being said, the playing field of life is not even for all, and for some it is easier said than done.