I don't see the big deal about Adele.

AL JAHIZ said:
Btw...i agreed with your genetic point with regards to voice & tones
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Ok - cool. Although we're both agreed that it's not always determinable. Some people don't have the tone - just as you can't guess everyone's race by looking at them. When someone comes along that defies the expected, like Teena Marie, Adele, or, I don't know, Ben Harper or someone like that, they are just seen as "special"...
 
saintaugusta said:
Right - I'm not playing games - I'm linking the conversation to Adele, which is what this thread is about. Someone said black people have the best pipes for soul music, and I tend to agree 95% of the time. Just remarking that Esoterik Dreads could say it, but I couldn't say it without getting the skin stripped off of me for suggesting that it's a genetic trait for black people to sound different because of how their vocal chord structure is built (not everyone, but a lot of black people, which is why we say someone "sounds" black, with or without dialect, strictly coming from tone)... Some white people have great pipes too, which are built for this soulful sound (just not that many).

Just pointing out a black person can make that point, but I can't without being vilified.
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Agreed...
 
saintaugusta said:
I love Macy Grey - how very fucking "white" of me. I also love Jill Scott, Erykah Badu (like any good cultured whitey should), and India.Arie. Also another broad you've probably never heard of, Res, from Philly. Among others.

"White people love"....

You know, that's starting to get on my damn nerves.

Do white people love Taj Mahal? You're probably going to say yes. I love him. I bet you a lot of black people do too.

I went to a Sade concert and it was a pretty mixed group of people.

Everyone loved Frank Sinatra. Harry Connick Jr. took his place IMHO and I bet you a lot of black people love him, too. I know he has a lot of soul and his heart is truly in New Orleans.

Do only white people listen to Muddy Waters and Sam Cooke, Howlin' Wolf anymore? You know, OLD black music that you all are tired of, supposedly. If you're gonna make fun, I will go there.

Do only white people love sushi? Mojitos? Tapas? Ballroom dancing lessons? Riverdance? Cappucinos? Poetry readings? (no I forgot - it's gotta be a poetry SLAM and then the black guys will bust out their spoken-word stuff - which I happen to like - how white of me)...

Ummm - what else do white people love... Bank accounts? 401ks? Imported beers? Farmer's markets? Bluegrass festivals? The Big Lebowski? energy bars? reading books? volunteering? marriage? kids named stupid things like Payton, Dakota, and Sage?

You know us white people - always doing lame stuff like trying to get a job, pay our bills, get an education, try to prove we're part Native American, and enjoy/learning about different cultures and appreciating good music.

I don't have sickle-cell anemia. Stuff white people like - not having it. Also, being able to have milk in my cereal. WTF???

This is a satirical post, in the spirit of Al Jahiz, but seriously, "white people like" this and that... what is that shit really all about??? Why do you say that if you would hate it if I said "black people like"... such and such?

Especially when really, we all like a lot of the same stuff. I mean who doesn't like fried chicken?

Come on.

I need some collard greens - STAT.
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I think it's odd to think that any racial group collectively has the same likes and dislikes.

(BTW, Muddy Waters, B.B. King, Sam Cooke, Robert Johnson, Billie Holliday...all huge favorites I still listen to, along with a whole slew of blues folks from the 20's on up, both black and white).

And we seriously need a sarcasm font around here.
 
AL JAHIZ said:
Im not a fan of adelle...josh ..or winehouse...but im dont care for all that much for alicia keys

White ppl love cee lo green & macy grey...i dont.

I love to hear Me'shell Ndgeocello...Chrisette Michelle... & Michelle Ferrell.

Sting & Jon B are cool...Michael Bolton sucks.

Led Zepelen stole pretty much their whole catalog... which they were successfully sued over... most of their material came from southern unknown artist... and so in this case they decided to take advantage of the black white problem in america... they made themselves very rich ..took all the accolades & credit... and never once publicly apologize for the theft committed....no grammys or nothing was stripped
from them....and if im not mistaken I think they were still inducted... into the rock and roll hall of fame after all of this was found out about them.

In Zepelens case... if it aint white.. it aint right
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This is totally different. Saying "I don't like their music" and "they suck" Because up to this point other than personal tastes it seems as if you don't have a clear understanding of music.

I'm still trippin' at the comparison between Teena Marie and Adele. And in this reply above you are all over the place. You might was well just kicked out of long list of artst you don' tlike because none of it made much sense...

...to me at least. But we all know how slow I am.
 
TreePixie said:
I think it's odd to think that any racial group collectively has the same likes and dislikes.

(BTW, Muddy Waters, B.B. King, Sam Cooke, Robert Johnson, Billie Holliday...all huge favorites I still listen to, along with a whole slew of blues folks from the 20's on up, both black and white).

And we seriously need a sarcasm font around here.
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lol...i was wondering when it was decided that you had to be a certain colour or race to be able to sing and perform a certain genre.

and i want that sarcasm font as well...sometimes i worry that my delicious sarcastic wit is being lost on some of the slower folk round here
 
Tarshi said:
lol...i was wondering when it was decided that you had to be a certain colour or race to be able to sing and perform a certain genre.

and i want that sarcasm font as well...sometimes i worry that my delicious sarcastic wit is being lost on some of the slower folk round here
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I know for sure that mine is, so I suspect yours is as well.
 
Ymra said:
This is totally different. Saying "I don't like their music" and "they suck" Because up to this point other than personal tastes it seems as if you don't have a clear understanding of music.

I'm still trippin' at the comparison between Teena Marie and Adele. And in this reply above you are all over the place. You might was well just kicked out of long list of artst you don' tlike because none of it made much sense...

...to me at least. But we all know how slow I am.
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You are rather slow... so maybe that will explain some of it.

I think it's very important for people to remember that when you speak most genres of music in america...such as jazz...rock....rock n roll...folk...country...hip hop & even blue grass... they all have roots that trace back to black slave singers.

Basically its all one and the same....

I find equal value in etta james...and al green as I do nwa & krs one.....black music is black music to me.
 
AL JAHIZ said:
You are rather slow... so maybe that will explain some of it.

I think it's very important for people to remember that when you speak most genres of music in america...such as jazz...rock....rock n roll...folk...country...hip hop & even blue grass... they all have roots that trace back to black slave singers.

Basically its all one and the same....

I find equal value in etta james...and al green as I do nwa & krs one.....black music is black music to me.
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Even if it's a white person singing it?
 
AL JAHIZ said:
You are rather slow... so maybe that will explain some of it.

I think it's very important for people to remember that when you speak most genres of music in america...such as jazz...rock....rock n roll...folk...country...hip hop & even blue grass... they all have roots that trace back to black slave singers.

Basically its all one and the same....

I find equal value in etta james...and al green as I do nwa & krs one.....black music is black music to me.
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I don't disagree with any of what you wrote; however, you made a specific point and used a broad reference. Must popular music in the US does have roots in black music..........but it doesn't mean one can now call it black music. My confusion is with randomly selecting artists out of thin air and grouping them ad ad nauseum.

Comparing Adele to Teena Marie (I simply can not let that go...its like comparing Justin Bieber to Prince), then you bounce around from Josh Stone, Amy Winehouse, to Alicia Keys...neither of which of comparable sounds.

Then it was Meshell Ndegeocello and Chrisette Michelle and a couple more..., and just when it seemed you could not get any more random with Led Zeppelin, and follow it up with "Oh, Ymra, you are slow I just like black music"

..wait. what?!?

No one is questioning your VALUE of music, I am suggesting you have a rudimentary understanding of music at best.

...yeah........slow I am, but up to this point you really haven't made much sense no matter the speed you choose to use.
 
Tarshi said:
lol...i was wondering when it was decided that you had to be a certain colour or race to be able to sing and perform a certain genre.

and i want that sarcasm font as well...sometimes i worry that my delicious sarcastic wit is being lost on some of the slower folk round here
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Actually to be very honest, black musicians have begun to abandon traditional black R&B music. It simply does not sell and is not as popular with the general black public. Save for older groups, American blacks have full embraced Black Pop as our main musicale staple.

R&B in the US now lacks, mature subject matter and has created and embraced the fantasy life of "G6 jets and everyone being millionaires" We still have the Rhythm, but we lost the blues.

Many white and European artists have filled that. I have said before, if you want to see a glimpse of R&B and hip hop...go to London and Tokyo (yes Japan) ...

....or find you some small hole in the wall in TN, TX, or LA....for the most port BLACK music in America as we once knew it as been sold to the lowest bidder.
 
Ymra said:
Actually to be very honest, black musicians have begun to abandon traditional black R&B music. It simply does not sell and is not as popular with the general black public. Save for older groups, American blacks have full embraced Black Pop as our main musicale staple.

R&B in the US now lacks, mature subject matter and has created and embraced the fantasy life of "G6 jets and everyone being millionaires" We still have the Rhythm, but we lost the blues.

Many white and European artists have filled that. I have said before, if you want to see a glimpse of R&B and hip hop...go to London and Tokyo (yes Japan) ...

....or find you some small hole in the wall in TN, TX, or LA....for the most port BLACK music in America as we once knew it as been sold to the lowest bidder.
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Which is a damned shame. Most hip hop to me is about as mature as bubble gum, and as sophisticated as a 5 year old in mama's shoes. But old R&B, and the blues??? Is music for the soul.
 
AL JAHIZ said:
I already answered this...

I like Tina Marie...John B. ...& Maroon 5...& Sting
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LOL - Maroon 5 does not sing "black music" - it's poppy and mainsteam as can be, and Sting doesn't doesn't sing "black music either, although some of his music is/was inspired by reggae (the Police) and blues/gospel/jazz, etc. - he is inspired by music from all over the world - Middle Eastern (as in "Desert Rose") as well as his own native English folk music.

You don't get to claim ALL good music is "black music", even if a tiny bit of it was inspired by the original American black roots music.

Music is ART, which is ALWAYS inspired by other artists, and is never a completely original thought.
 
Ymra said:
Actually to be very honest, black musicians have begun to abandon traditional black R&B music. It simply does not sell and is not as popular with the general black public. Save for older groups, American blacks have full embraced Black Pop as our main musicale staple.

R&B in the US now lacks, mature subject matter and has created and embraced the fantasy life of "G6 jets and everyone being millionaires" We still have the Rhythm, but we lost the blues.

Many white and European artists have filled that. I have said before, if you want to see a glimpse of R&B and hip hop...go to London and Tokyo (yes Japan) ...

....or find you some small hole in the wall in TN, TX, or LA....for the most port BLACK music in America as we once knew it as been sold to the lowest bidder.
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And yet it seems, that some black people resent that some white people have embraced old R&B, soul, funk, and the classic artists. If you talk to a lot of young white musicians today, you will find that some of them listened heavily to Sam Cooke, Marvin Gay, Al Green, Muddy Waters, Ella Fitzgerald, Dizzy Gillespie, Cole Porter, Count Basie, Billie Holiday, just to name a few...

Why would black people resent that so much when they don't even listen to it in the first place? If it weren't for public radio and the interest of white and European people, some of the old artists would have died out from obscurity by now...
 
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