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[SardonicGenie]

Would you say that the American media is becoming way too feminized? Everytime I watch TV these days (even though I don't like a lot of it) I can always find some angry, 'empowered' chick (mostly white) playing some star role in some hit action/drama show with a bunch of sissy, dependent men as bit players, and whenever it's a comedy, or a cartoon, or something with a man in the lead, he's always the typical buffoon that embarrasses the woman all the time, and then usually gets either yelled at by the woman, or smacked upside the head one or twice by the woman. The worst thing of all about this is the fact that there are people who are influenced by what they see in the media, whether they are aware of it or not.
Ahhh, SardonicGenie...the Force is strong in you.
:lol:
Let's see..."Everybody Loves Raymond" and other sitcoms of that ilk. Even the "Black" sitcoms do the same thing.

The answer to part of this is so simply, I seriously cant believe when I hear this complaint.

The situation comedies you are so critical of are built from a MALE commedian, therefore he is the brunt of the joke. He also makes most of the money. Now, if you look at situation comedies built around female commedians (think Lucile Ball and Ellen Degeneres), you will find they play the bafoon and bear the brunt of the humor directed at them. They also make the most money.

Why dont you contemplate why more female commedians are not given their own sitcoms and allowed to make the same money as the men?

My point still stands about how the American media is becoming overly feminized. There are women in starring roles on TV, but do they choose comedies? No, they don't. They choose action/drama shows mostly, and they make more than the other actors/actresses in the show also.

And, most of daytime television is dominated by women, like the talk shows you see, such as Ellen (who had her own show, but it got canceled) and Oprah, of course, not to mention other shows in the prime time, like Alias, Desperate Housewives, and the Closer.

Oh, and Fat Actress maybe something you may wanna watch.

 

[fly girl]

When you ask do "they" chose comedy roles, you are under the false impression that women have the power to make a choice. Most decisions are still made by white males in hollywood.

Oh, but dont let logic get in your way of blaming women for not allowing men to be men. That argument also keeps me laughing.

 

[fly girl]

Also, since you asked the question do they choose comedies, please give me one example of a female commedian who chose a drama, action or something other than a sitcom. All the situation commedies that you have sited (like everyone loves raymond) started with a COMMEDIAN and they built a show around him. I dont know of a single female commedian who had the choice to start a show and chose something other than a sitcom. There are very, very few commedians who have enough clout to be able to choose which show they want to do, most just take what is offered. I dont know of any female commedians who had a choice to either do a sitcom or a drama.

 

[Boll Onin]

Sorry if i go off the main point of the threads title but just wanted post a little something regarding Flygirls posts.
when i red your post Fly girl, it got me raking brain over situation comedies that I've seen in the past. What came to mind are

Margret Cho in American Girl or All American girl. that show was based around her stand up, being Asian American and how she and her family dealt with it. She is known for being critical of the show saying that the network tried and succeeded in pushing it in a direction she didn't want it to go in and also the weight issue. It got canceled.

Bonnie hunt show if that was the title. it was about a local talk show host Who deals with a family, marriage and zany-yes i said zany- co workers. She wasn't a stand up comedian but she had experience in comedies and comedy writing. it was a often times funny show where the audience got to see a woman in comedic situation without being buffoonish. it is canceled now i think.

This is pretty sad to think about it that i can think of only two besides the ones mentioned. Well there is also the Parker's but that's a spin off and stupid as hell, EVE, Half and Half, Girlfriends but as you pointed out those are prepared ideas with supplied actors not like what Raymond and Cosby did.

Female Comedians really don't have a choice in sit-com selection unless they are Whoopi and you only get six episodes then. Most female comedians either have to chose drama or comedy and many move into drama because of the lack of opportunity in comedy.

Romantic comedies only go to a select few and those few are often times not funny-Jennifer Lopez, Ashely Judd etc.

 

[solar flair]

jeesh... this has got to be the stupidest argument I've ever read.

The way "men are portrayed as buffoons" on tv has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the plight of black men in society.

In fact, most of the men being portrayed as buffoons are WHITE, yet white men aren't the object of derision & spite that black men are. And most of the "buffoons" are presented as lovable buffoons, who are still good fathers, good husbands, etc., the type of guy that women can see themselves being with, & respect & aim for...

....Exactly the opposite of the way they see black men.

And even the pre-feminism tv guys (like on the honeymooners, etc.) were typically presented in the same "buffoonish" way.

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Seven, your point is waaaay off anything I've written here.

 

[madscientist]

My wife (im now divorced) started on me shortly after we were married. The first thing she did was attack my education constantly telling me that i had a "basket weaving" degree.... my first degree is a BS in communication.... even though she had not yet finished college.....something like her third attempt. Next she went after my choice of friends and a few hobbies I enjoyed, she said it was a "useless waste of time" as it turns out one of those "hobbies" pays me quite well. She said I made a poor choice in the car i bought, she said i was "stupid" for buying it.... several years later im driving the same dependable(paid for) car, while hers barely made it to three years. Throughout all of this she constantly voiced her view that i was not a "real" man. She gave regular commentary on what a real man was, what they did....etc..... i was just living in all this darkness until one day my father said to me....."son, dont spend the best years of your life trying to fix a problem you can never fix"
These days my Ex-wife is full of apologies and amazingly has no recollection of the horrible words she so frequently spoke to me; she says she just cant seem to find the right man....whatever that means....
The strangest thing looking back on all the drama, is how everyone assumed she was divorcing me... when they learned i divorced her they were completely shocked. i can only assume she told them the same evil things about me that she said to me.

Theres no doubt that some will read this and lable me a misogynist, or that i have "issues" with black women.... none of that is true. what ive said is what happened.... a clean condensed version.

It may or may not be relevant but.
she was from minnesota.

How can she be both apologetic, yet not remember how harshly she treated you? Good thing you kicked her to the curb.

 

[7Seven]

jeesh... this has got to be the stupidest argument I've ever read.

The way "men are portrayed as buffoons" on tv has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the plight of black men in society.

In fact, most of the men being portrayed as buffoons are WHITE, yet white men aren't the object of derision & spite that black men are. And most of the "buffoons" are presented as lovable buffoons, who are still good fathers, good husbands, etc., the type of guy that women can see themselves being with, & respect & aim for...

....Exactly the opposite of the way they see black men.

And even the pre-feminism tv guys (like on the honeymooners, etc.) were typically presented in the same "buffoonish" way.

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Seven, your point is waaaay off anything I've written here.

:lol: what about black comedies? What say you? Also, the women in these comedies are portrayed as superior to men. This has plenty to do with how men are respected. It is called social brainwashing. How many times has one herd 'I don't need no man to make me happy, i'm independent?' Where do you think this mentality comes from? The media my friend. Again, look outside the box.

 

[7Seven]

Would you say that the American media is becoming way too feminized? Everytime I watch TV these days (even though I don't like a lot of it) I can always find some angry, 'empowered' chick (mostly white) playing some star role in some hit action/drama show with a bunch of sissy, dependent men as bit players, and whenever it's a comedy, or a cartoon, or something with a man in the lead, he's always the typical buffoon that embarrasses the woman all the time, and then usually gets either yelled at by the woman, or smacked upside the head one or twice by the woman. The worst thing of all about this is the fact that there are people who are influenced by what they see in the media, whether they are aware of it or not.
Ahhh, SardonicGenie...the Force is strong in you.
:lol:
Let's see..."Everybody Loves Raymond" and other sitcoms of that ilk. Even the "Black" sitcoms do the same thing.

The answer to part of this is so simply, I seriously cant believe when I hear this complaint.

The situation comedies you are so critical of are built from a MALE commedian, therefore he is the brunt of the joke. He also makes most of the money. Now, if you look at situation comedies built around female commedians (think Lucile Ball and Ellen Degeneres), you will find they play the bafoon and bear the brunt of the humor directed at them. They also make the most money.

Why dont you contemplate why more female commedians are not given their own sitcoms and allowed to make the same money as the men?

That is because it is all about KNOWING YOUR AUDIENCE, it is a business ploy. The majority of men do not watch these shows, because it portrays the man as the idiot. This, I thought was common sense.

 

[madscientist]

How many times has one herd 'I don't need no man to make me happy, i'm independent?'

Wrong example to use. I think it is a good thing that women feel that they don't need a man to be happy, and that they are independent. That's exactly how I feel. I don't need a woman to make me happy. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't want one. However, people should not search for a mate just to make themselves happy.

 

[7Seven]

When you ask do "they" chose comedy roles, you are under the false impression that women have the power to make a choice. Most decisions are still made by white males in hollywood.

Oh, but dont let logic get in your way of blaming women for not allowing men to be men. That argument also keeps me laughing.

Again, it is not letting men be men, it is telling men, HOW to be men. There is a huge difference in the two.

 

[7Seven]

How many times has one herd 'I don't need no man to make me happy, i'm independent?'

Wrong example to use. I think it is a good thing that women feel that they don't need a man to be happy, and that they are independent. That's exactly how I feel. I don't need a woman to make me happy. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't want one. However, people should not search for a mate just to make themselves happy.

:lol: what most do not understand is there is no such thing as an independent female by its very definition. This is the problem.

 

[madscientist]

:lol: what most do not understand is there is no such thing as an independent female by its very definition. This is the problem.

Who defined the "dependent woman" in the first place? Anyways, being a female merely means that you have a vagina as opposed to a penis. I see no reason why a woman (or anyone, for that matter) should opt for dependence on a male partner. That is true mainly in traditional European and Asian societies. It is by no means universal.

 

[7Seven]

:lol: what most do not understand is there is no such thing as an independent female by its very definition. This is the problem.

Who defined the "dependent woman" in the first place? Anyways, being a female merely means that you have a vagina as opposed to a penis. I see no reason why a woman (or anyone, for that matter) should opt for dependence on a male partner. That is true mainly in traditional European and Asian societies. It is by no means universal.

This is simple, men thrive for indepedence, we have always been the aggressors, the gogetters, and the like. Women have always been the passive, receptive to men, and the like. Tell me, how many high powered women will marry a man of poverty? She may date him for awhile if he is a 'good fuck.' But, she will never marry him.

I'm not saying this is not intelligent. Infact, it is very intelligent. This is also very good for society. I employ more women to do the same. This is where men are flawed. Because, all women have to be is at an reasonable attractive level, and they will have men taking care of them for life. High powered women are not 'dependent' as so called, but they are only self-sufficient. They are not independent. A independent person can stand on his/her own without ANY outside help from ANY resources. Anything after that is self-sufficiency.

 

[solar flair]

what about black comedies? What say you? Also, the women in these comedies are portrayed as superior to men. This has plenty to do with how men are respected. It is called social brainwashing. How many times has one herd 'I don't need no man to make me happy, i'm independent?' Where do you think this mentality comes from? The media my friend. Again, look outside the box.

Honestly guy, your point is so ludicrous I won't even argue with it.

Obviously, what black men go through is in no way connected with the way men are portrayed on sitcoms. :roll: There is media influence, but that ain't it.

 

[7Seven]

what about black comedies? What say you? Also, the women in these comedies are portrayed as superior to men. This has plenty to do with how men are respected. It is called social brainwashing. How many times has one herd 'I don't need no man to make me happy, i'm independent?' Where do you think this mentality comes from? The media my friend. Again, look outside the box.

Honestly guy, your point is so ludicrous I won't even argue with it.

Obviously, what black men go through is in no way connected with the way men are portrayed on sitcoms. :roll: There is media influence, but that ain't it.

Sigh......another person who can not see past what is being said. I'm not arguing against your points. I'm not just talking in terms of just sitcoms. I thought this was understood. I'm speaking generally about the Ms. Princess like mentality behaivour. Yes. Which is very much influenced by media. Which in turn affects what EVERY man goes though. This is the point in which i bought forth.

 

[solar flair]

:roll:

 

[SardonicGenie]

When you ask do "they" chose comedy roles, you are under the false impression that women have the power to make a choice. Most decisions are still made by white males in hollywood.

So, what's your point? It's not like they HAVE to take the roles if they really don't want to.

Oh, but dont let logic get in your way of blaming women for not allowing men to be men. That argument also keeps me laughing.

I said that the American media is becoming way too feminized, and if that's blaming women, then your comment is far from logical.

 

[SardonicGenie]

Also, since you asked the question do they choose comedies, please give me one example of a female commedian who chose a drama, action or something other than a sitcom. All the situation commedies that you have sited (like everyone loves raymond) started with a COMMEDIAN and they built a show around him. I dont know of a single female commedian who had the choice to start a show and chose something other than a sitcom. There are very, very few commedians who have enough clout to be able to choose which show they want to do, most just take what is offered. I dont know of any female commedians who had a choice to either do a sitcom or a drama.

I just gave you Ellen, didn't I? And read Boll's post about Magaret Cho. Also, there are more male comics than females, so you still don't get it, unfortunately.

Also, my point wasn't about female comedians. You read that somewhere, when I didn't even write it.

 

[SardonicGenie]

Sorry if i go off the main point of the threads title but just wanted post a little something regarding Flygirls posts.
when i red your post Fly girl, it got me raking brain over situation comedies that I've seen in the past. What came to mind are

Margret Cho in American Girl or All American girl. that show was based around her stand up, being Asian American and how she and her family dealt with it. She is known for being critical of the show saying that the network tried and succeeded in pushing it in a direction she didn't want it to go in and also the weight issue. It got canceled.

Bonnie hunt show if that was the title. it was about a local talk show host Who deals with a family, marriage and zany-yes i said zany- co workers. She wasn't a stand up comedian but she had experience in comedies and comedy writing. it was a often times funny show where the audience got to see a woman in comedic situation without being buffoonish. it is canceled now i think.

This is pretty sad to think about it that i can think of only two besides the ones mentioned. Well there is also the Parker's but that's a spin off and stupid as hell, EVE, Half and Half, Girlfriends but as you pointed out those are prepared ideas with supplied actors not like what Raymond and Cosby did.

Female Comedians really don't have a choice in sit-com selection unless they are Whoopi and you only get six episodes then. Most female comedians either have to chose drama or comedy and many move into drama because of the lack of opportunity in comedy.

Romantic comedies only go to a select few and those few are often times not funny-Jennifer Lopez, Ashely Judd etc.

Yeah, and if they aren't funny, then it's not the men's fault.

 

[SardonicGenie]

jeesh... this has got to be the stupidest argument I've ever read.

The way "men are portrayed as buffoons" on tv has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the plight of black men in society.

In fact, most of the men being portrayed as buffoons are WHITE, yet white men aren't the object of derision & spite that black men are. And most of the "buffoons" are presented as lovable buffoons, who are still good fathers, good husbands, etc., the type of guy that women can see themselves being with, & respect & aim for...

....Exactly the opposite of the way they see black men.

And even the pre-feminism tv guys (like on the honeymooners, etc.) were typically presented in the same "buffoonish" way.

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Seven, your point is waaaay off anything I've written here.

I was speaking in general terms about how men are represented in the media, and there are people who are influenced by what they see in the media. You seemed to have missed that.