P.T.S.S. Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome

[Ches]

Give me a break...take responsibility for the things you say....


Originally Posted by Ches View Post
"They don't seem to have a problem finding drugs to sell in these one-stop light towns. Why is that? My hometown has no fast-food places. But my son was still able to find a job at 14 before he could drive to places where jobs were more plentiful. There are still legal ways for kids to make money in most places except for the most poverty-stricken areas. But drugs pay better."

Do I need to quote the other several posts about this?

It isn't about that you can't mention white kids. But when you are going to hold up one white kid as a comparison for a large percentage of Black kids....things are going to be addressed.

Funny how you only quote the parts you object to....

Any time someone challenges the black perspective in any way shape or form, even if just to bring a different perspective or to prompt conversation, we "just don't get it." Or we must be racist.

Oh, and in case you missed it, I'm appreciative of the fact that GL offered his support. Grown woman or not. When someone is willing to look past what they think they know and see what's really there, I applaud that. More folks ought to do that.

 

[K]

give me a break! you adopted a black baby which now makes you an authority...give the woman a fucking medal! oh and btw, who are you to tell GL that he can't protect where Ches is coming from? perhaps he is more open minded than you...for someone that is so far up Raiders ass that you could tell me what she had for lunch you have no room to talk...


I just saw a post on FB from a group I belong to...neighborhood group...very pregnant woman says she is willing to pay $40.00 to anyone that would come today and clean up the dog poop in her yard. We have had a ton of snow so now that it has melted it's time to clean up after the dogs. You would not believe how many parents responded, "my son will be right over...what's your address?" she must have gotten 12 responses...when it snowed, parents posting for their kids, "my son is ready to shovel your sidewalk or driveway" in the summer, "my son is available to help you clean your garage" if I have an odd job that needs done I can have a kid at my house within the hour to do the job...this is how you make money not selling drugs on the corner...and yes I live in a VERY mixed neighborhood...

I get it but I also see the tides changing...it won't be very much longer in this country were white will be the minority...

Wow. Well I never claimed adopting a black baby made me an authority on anything. Actually, I have continued to say that I can NOT know what it is to be Black. I do have a unique perspective which may or not be of value to some.

As far as being up Raider's ass....that's really funny considering how many times I have clearly disagreed with her about things on this forum. There isn't anyone on here that I completely agree or disagree with and I think I've shown that very clearly.

No one had condoned selling drugs.

 

[K]

Funny how you only quote the parts you object to....

Any time someone challenges the black perspective in any way shape or form, even if just to bring a different perspective or to prompt conversation, we "just don't get it." Or we must be racist.

Oh, and in case you missed it, I'm appreciative of the fact that GL offered his support. Grown woman or not. When someone is willing to look past what they think they know and see what's really there, I applaud that. More folks ought to do that.

I posted the quote I did because things get all twisted around and somehow it gets forgotten how it started. There were many others in the same vein that I didn't quote.

It took quite a bit of conversation and trying to explain for the "just don't get it" comment to come out.

In regards to GL...My point that I should have made more clear is that you were doing a very good job of explaining your points and he didn't need to try to rephrase/restate/explain what you were saying it just makes the conversation more confusing. It's cool if he wants to back what you are saying and add to it, agree with you, or whatever. It's just confusing when someone comes in and tries to translate what another person is saying. I don't agree with many things you say, but I do respect that you are very capable of clearly state your thoughts about things.

 

[goodlove]

Y'all tripping. Lol

Its not about defending or whatever. Its about being accurate in what she stated.

1. The father wasn't in the sons life until after college. You guys were saying the son was benefiting from the fathers connections . that's false.

2. No one has to spell it out that him being white is an advantage vs a black person. Everyone knows that. Why repeat it over and over.

What's confusing?

Also if you read bobba post theres something to think about. Such as learned helplessness...this convo of what have been talking partly goes into that.

Relax GL. I really don't think you need to be defending Ches so much. She's a grown woman and can handle her own.

She put things out there and they were addressed. There's nothing wrong with that. It's simply people pointing things out and trying to show other perspectives.

I happen to be one to think that her son was still looked at differently, no matter what she may think. Even if they thought of him as a "military brat" with a sea of other military kids....being a pilot within that realm means more than other positions. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with her son having advantages at all. Hell, we all do what we can to make sure our kids have advantages...I know I do! (black kids and white kids) It's about understanding. Most don't have to be hearing about the woes of poor white folk, because get real even the poor white folk have it better than the poor black folk. You know how I know this? I've lived it.

 

[goodlove]

I posted the quote I did because things get all twisted around and somehow it gets forgotten how it started. There were many others in the same vein that I didn't quote.

It took quite a bit of conversation and trying to explain for the "just don't get it" comment to come out.

In regards to GL...My point that I should have made more clear is that you were doing a very good job of explaining your points and he didn't need to try to rephrase/restate/explain what you were saying it just makes the conversation more confusing. It's cool if he wants to back what you are saying and add to it, agree with you, or whatever. It's just confusing when someone comes in and tries to translate what another person is saying. I don't agree with many things you say, but I do respect that you are very capable of clearly state your thoughts about things.

Lol...its no different from anyone you may agree with. Lol

In any case y'all tripping. Lol

I'm supporting what she's saying cause I get it within the context of this convo and who she is.

In any case can we stop the attacks and get to real talk

 

[The Dark King]

GL, thank you for your support. You understand where I'm coming from.

Too often, black folks think they have the whole picture because they live the other side of white privilege. But they only live it from that one angle. (Just white folks live on the opposite side of white privilege.) They don't step away from their perspective to really listen to a white person's perspective and how they came to have it. They assume. I thought this could be a place where that was possible because regular forum members have gotten to know me from what I post so maybe it might be considered for just a minute. But instead, folks plug up their ears and scream "White privilege!" and walk away.

In the end, a black person can never truly know what it's like be white, nor can a white person ever truly know what it's like to be black. We would do well to just listen to each other and appreciate and try to understand what the other has experienced. I do it all day in the social groups I'm in. I'm schooled sometimes, but occasionally, my experiences are eye-opening for someone else because they opened their mind and considered it without clapping back.

Discussions about racism and injustice need to be an open conversation not a monologue.

Ches the huge difference is your experience is constantly being shoved down our throats. Everything from media to history to work is bombarded with your life experience. Trust me we see it we know it's truly inescapable. The same can't be said about the black or any non white ezperience. If you don't seek it out you don't have to deal with it.

 

[The Dark King]

Funny how you only quote the parts you object to....

Any time someone challenges the black perspective in any way shape or form, even if just to bring a different perspective or to prompt conversation, we "just don't get it." Or we must be racist.

Oh, and in case you missed it, I'm appreciative of the fact that GL offered his support. Grown woman or not. When someone is willing to look past what they think they know and see what's really there, I applaud that. More folks ought to do that.

How dare the highly racially charged comment be challenged.
Are you high? What did you expect?
You basically said why can't black kids get it together and not sell drugs my son did it.

 

[goodlove]

How dare the highly racially charged comment be challenged.
Are you high? What did you expect?
You basically said why can't black kids get it together and not sell drugs my son did it.

She asked questions that had no ill-intent. You inferred the racial malice. She asked legit questions...for a person who don't know.

Ches the huge difference is your experience is constantly being shoved down our throats. Everything from media to history to work is bombarded with your life experience. Trust me we see it we know it's truly inescapable. The same can't be said about the black or any non white ezperience. If you don't seek it out you don't have to deal with it.

You always talk about your experience soooooo...why can't she?

Also the forum is about talking experiences.
So chill.

Hell I grew up in a bad neighborhood with trap houses down the street. Ive seen people smoke crack in my face. I can go to the hood and show you the trap houses. Ive seen the money roll. I watch the base heads all geeked out. But i never sold or used. Hell I don't drink. So how did that happen?

Ask since about DeKalb county/Decatur ga. I lived there. Ask him about gresham park elementary and walker high and southwest dekalb hs. I lived there and its no joke. I don't have to watch the wire....I lived there

 

[The Dark King]

She asked questions that had no ill-intent. You inferred the racial malice. She asked legit questions...for a person who don't know.




You always talk about your experience soooooo...why can't she?

Also the forum is about talking experiences.
So chill.

Hell I grew up in a bad neighborhood with trap houses down the street. Ive seen people smoke crack in my face. I can go to the hood and show you the trap houses. Ive seen the money roll. I watch the base heads all geeked out. But i never sold or used. Hell I don't drink. So how did that happen?

Ask since about DeKalb county/Decatur ga. I lived there. Ask him about gresham park elementary and walker high and southwest dekalb hs. I lived there and its no joke. I don't have to watch the wire....I lived there

I was talking about the white experience ad a whole. Did you actually read what I wrote?

 

[RaiderLL]

Lastly to try to wrap her intentionally or not as a racist is foul.

Where exactly did I do that? By simply voicing my disagreement with her views here, I'm painting her as a racist? I specifically excluded her from my statement about wp "not getting it" to avoid the drama that that could have produced...yet you still think I'm calling her racist. Interesting.

Ches the huge difference is your experience is constantly being shoved down our throats. Everything from media to history to work is bombarded with your life experience. Trust me we see it we know it's truly inescapable. The same can't be said about the black or any non white ezperience. If you don't seek it out you don't have to deal with it.

And this is precisely why certain people will never "get it". No matter how much one may date interracially, if they don't LIVE it, day in and day out, I think it's hard to really grasp it.

 

[Soulthinker]

The Black conservatives never mention the fact that some Black families were split apart because the jobs were bad as well as the pay. It is not the welfare payments of the 1960's that broke up Black families.

 

[goodlove]

How dare the highly racially charged comment be challenged.
Are you high? What did you expect?
You basically said why can't black kids get it together and not sell drugs my son did it.

???

Where exactly did I do that? By simply voicing my disagreement with her views here, I'm painting her as a racist? I specifically excluded her from my statement about wp "not getting it" to avoid the drama that that could have produced...yet you still think I'm calling her racist. Interesting.



And this is precisely why certain people will never "get it". No matter how much one may date interracially, if they don't LIVE it, day in and day out, I think it's hard to really grasp it.

There you go. I was talking you guys. if that wasnt yiur intent...my bad but it came across that way. Your boy was doing that as you see. she was asking questions. Of course a person may or may not get it.

Doesn't mean she shouldn't as questions.

Now let's go back to the article and to a more urbane discussion

 

[goodlove]

The Black conservatives never mention the fact that some Black families were split apart because the jobs were bad as well as the pay. It is not the welfare payments of the 1960's that broke up Black families.

I believe it was more of the LBJ 's war on poverty and bm inability to get a job.

 

[goodlove]

Ches the huge difference is your experience is constantly being shoved down our throats. Everything from media to history to work is bombarded with your life experience. Trust me we see it we know it's truly inescapable. The same can't be said about the black or any non white ezperience. If you don't seek it out you don't have to deal with it.

???????

I was talking about the white experience ad a whole. Did you actually read what I wrote?

Do u read what you wrote?

 

[The Dark King]

???????


Do u read what you wrote?

GL read the next line right after
Media depicts Ches's life or the experience of white people. Knock it off you know better

 

[goodlove]

GL read the next line right after
Media depicts Ches's life or the experience of white people. Knock it off you know better

I read it. You made that statement. Did u not?

Then you stated "your" life experience

 

[goodlove]

Ches the huge difference is your experience is constantly being shoved down our throats. Everything from media to history to work is bombarded with your life experience. Trust me we see it we know it's truly inescapable. The same can't be said about the black or any non white ezperience. If you don't seek it out you don't have to deal with it.

Your your your

You said your

I understand u were discussing the white experience at this point but u were specifically say her first. Now you are making a whole group experience "alledgedlly"

Then you are going to deny that very line you made. So you went from her and then her and whites as a whole.

We see you shitting in low weeds

 

[K]

The Black conservatives never mention the fact that some Black families were split apart because the jobs were bad as well as the pay. It is not the welfare payments of the 1960's that broke up Black families.

Do you not think that the welfare system had a huge part in it? Given that moms were not able to receive benefits if the father was around (or they were greatly reduced). There was more incentive to have him out than to keep him around. It's still that way for the most part too.

 

[K]

And this is precisely why certain people will never "get it". No matter how much one may date interracially, if they don't LIVE it, day in and day out, I think it's hard to really grasp it.

Agreed. I still have times when it amazes me. Having a white child and a black child around the same ages there are times when as much as I may want to dismiss things, it makes it really difficult because it just is what it is.

 

[goodlove]

Agreed. I still have times when it amazes me. Having a white child and a black child around the same ages there are times when as much as I may want to dismiss things, it makes it really difficult because it just is what it is.

When its in your face its a hard pill to swallow