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The Dark Knight said:
I never said it was right or wrong just says a lot to me if they're willing to have sex with someone they don't know. That's wreckless and I don't do that. Want sex all you want but the minute I see you as easy that's all you'll ever be period the end. No one wants to make a ho into a housewife.
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So you DO have a double standard. And you don't think it's sexist. C'mon, DK you're smarter than that.

Just for the record, some men I've known for ages before I slept with them. And some men I've slept with the day I met them. It's all about the chemistry between the two people and says ZIP about how you'd handle yourself with someone else. Of course, that presupposes that you see your sex partners as individual people, rather than categories.

I've been most often described as "elegant" and "classy" - I can handle myself at a formal dinner or a biker bar (though I far prefer the dinner). My sex life does not define me as ether a "whore" or "classy." What defines me is how I handle myself in either situation.

BTW, I have been a stay at home mom - but I was never a housewife, because it's still illegal for people to marry buildings.
 
TheHuntress said:
So, as a rule, your assumptions are always correct? Because there's never a chance that assumptions are based on...thin air?

How do you get to dictate what a woman who is interested in sex is thinking? If she's interested in sex, and hell, sex with YOU even, why is that a crime against her? And why is it not a crime against you? Especially with the little 'tests' you give a girl to see if she will sleep with you at a point when she's clearly interested? And you have said yourself that a woman knows if she wants to sleep with you within five minutes, so, by your rules, she's not allowed to mention that or act on it until the time you've dictated, but not communicated, as a method to weed out, what exactly? A woman who's comfortable in her sexuality?

I truly do not understand your thoughts on this.
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Which is why I threw out the rule book at about 15, and have conducted my sex life as *I* have seen fit ever since. That's included long (multi year) periods of celibacy as well as periods of intense activity. I decide who and when I sleep with based on what *I* want, and not some nebulous number created out of thin air which varies from man to man.
 
TheHuntress said:
So, as a rule, your assumptions are always correct? Because there's never a chance that assumptions are based on...thin air?

How do you get to dictate what a woman who is interested in sex is thinking? If she's interested in sex, and hell, sex with YOU even, why is that a crime against her? And why is it not a crime against you? Especially with the little 'tests' you give a girl to see if she will sleep with you at a point when she's clearly interested? And you have said yourself that a woman knows if she wants to sleep with you within five minutes, so, by your rules, she's not allowed to mention that or act on it until the time you've dictated, but not communicated, as a method to weed out, what exactly? A woman who's comfortable in her sexuality?

I truly do not understand your thoughts on this.
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Who said it was a crime? I just don't want a girl who holds her legs open for every guy she finds cute. Its unattarctive to me period. I like a woman with class and decorum. Someone who understands self control. Just because you want to do something doesn't mean you act on it.
 
The Dark Knight said:
I never said it was right or wrong just says a lot to me if they're willing to have sex with someone they don't know. That's wreckless and I don't do that. Want sex all you want but the minute I see you as easy that's all you'll ever be period the end. No one wants to make a ho into a housewife.
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From the sounds of the multitude of things you've written all over this site, you don't want a housewife, either. All I get from the majority of the posts put together is the following: Pop out my babies. Shut up. Sit down. Suck my dick. Don't talk. Clean my house. Do my laundry. Don't question me. Leave me alone. Cook me dinner. Get the groceries. Fuck me when I say, and not a moment before, or else you're trash. Respect my mother, but I won't respect you.

That is probably not how you intend to sound, but man, it is how you come across a lot of the time. I continue to be perplexed by this attitude you have.
 
The Dark Knight said:
Who said it was a crime? I just don't want a girl who holds her legs open for every guy she finds cute. Its unattarctive to me period. I like a woman with class and decorum. Someone who understands self control. Just because you want to do something doesn't mean you act on it.
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How do you know if a woman sleeps with you right away that she'd do that with everyone? You don't. You're assuming. Your attitude towards sex seems stuck somewhere in high school, DK. I dont know if it's because you like very young women, or if you're really just backwards on this.

Some men think an enthusiastic partner who LOVES to sleep with him is a good thing, and does not judge her entire character based on what she does with her genitalia.
 
TheHuntress said:
From the sounds of the multitude of things you've written all over this site, you don't want a housewife, either. All I get from the majority of the posts put together is the following: Pop out my babies. Shut up. Sit down. Suck my dick. Don't talk. Clean my house. Do my laundry. Don't question me. Leave me alone. Cook me dinner. Get the groceries. Fuck me when I say, and not a moment before, or else you're trash. Respect my mother, but I won't respect you.

That is probably not how you intend to sound, but man, it is how you come across a lot of the time. I continue to be perplexed by this attitude you have.
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Frankly, I've wondered why he doesn't just hire a surrogate to have children for him. I also don't quite understand why it's ok for a guy to fuck around - apparently women are supposed to be ok with having a ho for a husband, and to marry a man who has whorish, unclassy behaviour. :rolleyes:
 
The Dark Knight said:
Who said it was a crime? I just don't want a girl who holds her legs open for every guy she finds cute. Its unattarctive to me period. I like a woman with class and decorum. Someone who understands self control. Just because you want to do something doesn't mean you act on it.
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So, you're assuming, again that because a woman wants to sleep with YOU, that she's sleeping with everyone else? Unless you ask, you aren't privy to that information, and anyone with any class wouldn't ever ask that question. So, either you're attracted to her or you aren't, and it sounds an awful lot like you're threatened by a woman who's comfortable in her sexuality. Assuming that because someone likes sex, and wants to have sex WITH YOU, that she's sleeping with the entire block, is like saying that because I wear red on occasion, that I'm a communist.

:smt043
 
Its not based on gender since I don't sleep with men too. Just like me wearing heels and lipstick would scream red flag to you certain behavior screams red flag to me and I never said it was ok for me to go fuck everything.if that were the case I would have banged a lot of women on this very forum but I'm not hard up like that. I do have patience and would require the same of a woman I liked.
Women can have all the sex they want with whoever they want I just don't want someone like it. It turns me off.

TreePixie said:
So you DO have a double standard. And you don't think it's sexist. C'mon, DK you're smarter than that.

Just for the record, some men I've known for ages before I slept with them. And some men I've slept with the day I met them. It's all about the chemistry between the two people and says ZIP about how you'd handle yourself with someone else. Of course, that presupposes that you see your sex partners as individual people, rather than categories.

I've been most often described as "elegant" and "classy" - I can handle myself at a formal dinner or a biker bar (though I far prefer the dinner). My sex life does not define me as ether a "whore" or "classy." What defines me is how I handle myself in either situation.

BTW, I have been a stay at home mom - but I was never a housewife, because it's still illegal for people to marry buildings.
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TheHuntress said:
So, you're assuming, again that because a woman wants to sleep with YOU, that she's sleeping with everyone else? Unless you ask, you aren't privy to that information, and anyone with any class wouldn't ever ask that question. So, either you're attracted to her or you aren't, and it sounds an awful lot like you're threatened by a woman who's comfortable in her sexuality. Assuming that because someone likes sex, and wants to have sex WITH YOU, that she's sleeping with the entire block, is like saying that because I wear red on occasion, that I'm a communist.

:smt043
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:prayer::prayer: Maybe he just can't imagine a woman who isn't a whore wanting to fuck him because she's attracted to him?
 
TheHuntress said:
So, you're assuming, again that because a woman wants to sleep with YOU, that she's sleeping with everyone else? Unless you ask, you aren't privy to that information, and anyone with any class wouldn't ever ask that question. So, either you're attracted to her or you aren't, and it sounds an awful lot like you're threatened by a woman who's comfortable in her sexuality. Assuming that because someone likes sex, and wants to have sex WITH YOU, that she's sleeping with the entire block, is like saying that because I wear red on occasion, that I'm a communist.

:smt043
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Or maybe I don't want a woman easier than Sunday morning. Women who usually have self esteem and self worth wait. I've seen it my whole life. The girls willing to have sex quickly usually have very little esle to effort. What I've seen not the gospel.
 
TreePixie said:
Frankly, I've wondered why he doesn't just hire a surrogate to have children for him.
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Because

1. No surrogate would EVER agree to have his baby once he went through the psych evaluation. ;)

and

2. It would cost way more money than charming some malleable young woman-child into marrying him to pop out his babies. And spending money is against DKs religion. ;)

All seriousness- who knows. I wonder that myself. And what kills me is that DK is an intelligent guy, and being as intelligent as he is, you'd think he'd listen to the things that are repeated to him over and over and over and over (and over? lol) again on this forum and think 'Gee, if everyone is saying it, there must be something to it...'...but instead, he waits for one person to pop in and say 'Yes! I see DKs point!' to feel validated like everyone else is smoking crack.

I just don't understand it. I try. I've been trying for ages. I just...don't...get it.
 
The Dark Knight said:
Its not based on gender since I don't sleep with men too. Just like me wearing heels and lipstick would scream red flag to you certain behavior screams red flag to me and I never said it was ok for me to go fuck everything.if that were the case I would have banged a lot of women on this very forum but I'm not hard up like that. I do have patience and would require the same of a woman I liked.
Women can have all the sex they want with whoever they want I just don't want someone like it. It turns me off.
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Well, then I hope you find the perfect frigid woman who only wants sex when you decide she should want it, who doesn't make a mess on the sheets, and doesn't make too much noise, so she won't be thought a slut for wanting it too much.

And yeah, dude, it's based on gender. I haven't you calling out men for being whores if they sleep with a woman "too soon." It's the definition of a madonna/whore complex. Careful with that - a lot of guys who have that idea end up unable to perform with their wives after the woman becomes a mother. They just can't see her as a sexual being anymore. But I'm not sure you really DO see women as sexual beings anyway, unless they are what you have decreed to be slutty
 
The Dark Knight said:
Or maybe I don't want a woman easier than Sunday morning. Women who usually have self esteem and self worth wait. I've seen it my whole life. The girls willing to have sex quickly usually have very little esle to effort. What I've seen not the gospel.
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Not quite sure what those last two sentences mean, but you're way off base if you think women who are enthusiastic and early sex partners have self esteem issues. I am always enthusiastic or I wouldnt be with the guy in the first place. Sometimes, I'm early. And I don't think even you think I have self esteem issues. And no, it's not a function of age, it's how I've always been.
 
TheHuntress said:
Because

1. No surrogate would EVER agree to have his baby once he went through the psych evaluation. ;)

and

2. It would cost way more money than charming some malleable young woman-child into marrying him to pop out his babies. And spending money is against DKs religion. ;)

All seriousness- who knows. I wonder that myself. And what kills me is that DK is an intelligent guy, and being as intelligent as he is, you'd think he'd listen to the things that are repeated to him over and over and over and over (and over? lol) again on this forum and think 'Gee, if everyone is saying it, there must be something to it...'...but instead, he waits for one person to pop in and say 'Yes! I see DKs point!' to feel validated like everyone else is smoking crack.

I just don't understand it. I try. I've been trying for ages. I just...don't...get it.
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I don't either, and I think it's a sad loss. He's got so much potential.
 
The Dark Knight said:
I never said women aren't experts at anything you sure know how to annoy the hell out of me. I said men are generally better at giving advice on how yo get women because of the decades spent getting women. Women don't have to pursue men so you don't have the experience to give guidance on it. Like I said before there's a difference between observation and actually doing.

Never said women don't want sex but there's a difference between class and whorish behavior.
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it would seem only logical that if women are on the receiving end of the "getting" that we might be able to give you a fresh perspective on what works and what doesn't work...

i have pursued men both successfully and unsuccessfully...that makes me an expert:smt019

that is a fine line between class and whore...just to be fair it goes both ways...
 
The Dark Knight said:
Or maybe I don't want a woman easier than Sunday morning. Women who usually have self esteem and self worth wait. I've seen it my whole life. The girls willing to have sex quickly usually have very little esle to effort. What I've seen not the gospel.
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But, as a guy who loves to go by fact, there isn't any way to be assured of anything like that unless you shrink up and plaster yourself on the internal walls of every vagina of every woman in the Tri State Area for her entire life until she meets you.

Some women may have issues, and some women may say 'You know, I like this guy. I want this to go somewhere. I'm attracted to him. We've been seeing each other for a week, and I'd like to see where this goes.' - You don't give them that opportunity. You write them off. What's 'fast' for you may not be fast for someone else, so why don't you communicate that rather than writing them off? Waiting doesn't necessarily mean that you're not crazy. One of my ex boyfriends and I waited over a month before we had sex, and I found out later that dude was two crayons short of a crayola box. But, he sure was on his best behavior until we slept together. It goes both ways.
 
I love how everything is zero sum with you people lol. Everyone enjoys sex I just prefer to be with a woman who exercises self control. I don't care what men do because I don't date men. That's your burden to deal with.
Sharing your body should mean something and its a risk and if im going to risk my health then it better with someone worth it not just some chcik I met fifteen minutes ago.
TreePixie said:
Well, then I hope you find the perfect frigid woman who only wants sex when you decide she should want it, who doesn't make a mess on the sheets, and doesn't make too much noise, so she won't be thought a slut for wanting it too much.

And yeah, dude, it's based on gender. I haven't you calling out men for being whores if they sleep with a woman "too soon." It's the definition of a madonna/whore complex. Careful with that - a lot of guys who have that idea end up unable to perform with their wives after the woman becomes a mother. They just can't see her as a sexual being anymore. But I'm not sure you really DO see women as sexual beings anyway, unless they are what you have decreed to be slutty
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